Folbot Photo Album

kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (1 of 9), Read 89 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 09:09 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net
Files:1973.JPG, 1974.JPG, 1975.JPG, 1976.JPG


Our first saltwater kayak trip was a success. Here are some photos of the trip to share. One is of the water taxi boat. two of the yurt "round shelter" we stayed in. And, a few of the scenery. We had a good time and plan to take yet another trip to a different, but similar location in a few days. I hope i am able to transfer these photos successfully.

ps. This body of water is a little different in that it has one of the fastest tides in the world. it's common for 15 FEET of water to raise or lower in 6 hours. You follow the tide book closely and paddle out with the tide and plan to return on the next incoming tide.

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (2 of 9), Read 75 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 09:27 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net
Files:1977.JPG, 1978.JPG, 1979.JPG, 1980.JPG

these photos seem to be coming thru ok and so will send a few more. the area is much like a rain forest as shown from the moss on the trees. drinking water is gotten from the many small waterfalls nearby. wildlife is abundant, including bald eagles, many sea birds, and even humming birds.

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (3 of 9), Read 73 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 09:47 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net
Files:1981.JPG, 1982.JPG


the main problem i had was the ever-changing water levels. i had to move the kayak often. also, when the day was thru the kayak had to be moved many feet to be above the high tide mark. by turning it upside down, i was able to keep it dry enough to be comfortable for paddling the next day.

the kayak carts mentioned in previous posts would not work as this area is primitive and not "wheel friendly."

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (4 of 9), Read 76 times
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 09:58 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net


last but not least, thanks to Dave Kruger for the hint on adjusting the file size to make down loading these files possible. i am not as familiar with my new windows XP software as i was with the previous windows ME i was using up until recently.

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (5 of 9), Read 69 times
Date: Monday, July 26, 2004 01:34 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Had to be a fantastic trip, judging from the pictures!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (6 of 9), Read 57 times
Date: Monday, July 26, 2004 06:53 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Thanks to all for reducing the file sizes on teh pics.. it's so "modem" friendly. .. thanks much..
Enjoyed the photos.. ya know. (pokeing fun)..even with the volumous interior of the GII.. I'll bet that Yurt Tent was a lot to hide under decks.. ha..
Pretty place... and since I just never seem to camp without rain.. i'ts become a 'no-big-deal-.'..... and learning to live with it and all suggestions are great to hear..
I like the "stump chairs" too..
great shots.. thanks much..
keep 'em coming..

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (7 of 9), Read 51 times
Date: Monday, July 26, 2004 09:05 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Newfolboter,

Gee wizz, I was just in Seldovia last month. I should of looked you up.

Great area to paddle in. Looks like you had a few "blue clouds" as well.

Tom

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (8 of 9), Read 22 times
Date: Monday, July 26, 2004 09:14 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net


our next trip begins in a few days. the weather now is rainy and not that good. hopefully it will improve before the weekend. the last trip was so wet i was concerned i would ruin the digital camera if i took it out.

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: kayak trip to Tutka bay, Alaska (9 of 9), Read 22 times
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 06:16 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Somebody on this forum made a camera protection system using a heavy plastic bag attached to the front glass of a diving mask. The camera could be used through the bag. Looked like a workable system. Have fun on your trip. Please try to get some pictures. We long for pictures, they keep our kayaking juices flowing.
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP, Cooper "Mzz Bee"

Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (1 of 15), Read 198 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:22 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:1983.JPG, 1984.JPG, 1985.JPG

Had to do some rearranging of boats, so decided to take some comparison pictures of the Cooper and GII. I was surprised! Tip to tip the Cooper is longer! You'll also note that the GII is set up in the solo configuration. It's rather obvious which one has more move-around and 'wiggle room'!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (2 of 15), Read 145 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:40 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:1986.JPG, 1987.JPG, 1988.JPG

Here's three more shots showing the cockpits of the two boats. Do you see why I won't let go of my GII? When you're out on the water for a long trip, you want to be able to move around and also carry things close to you that you want to use (like chocolate chip cookies!). Pretty obvious that the Cooper is a "whole new design"!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (3 of 15), Read 141 times
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:31 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

True, true, Gobe! BUT, when you just want to take out the "sports car" for a couple hour spin (no pun intended) with just a water bottle, PFD and paddle, it's the Cooper that gets slid on the roof rack (with one hand I might add).(:>)
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP, Cooper "Mzz Bee"

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (4 of 15), Read 141 times
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 01:26 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

You got THAT right! That's why I rearranged my garage and put the Coop in the No. 1 launch position! MOST of my trips are 'day-trips' and it will be the Cooper! But, for extended trips, camping, major touring .... it'll be the GII (I might pack the Coop in the GII as well! Two different boats for widely varying purposes, although some capabilities overlap.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (5 of 15), Read 127 times
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 03:40 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

Somebody needs to buy the Folbot marketing /advertising people a new tape measure. They have the GII listed at 17” and the Cooper at 16’6” it is clear that the Cooper is longer. Are they afraid to say the Cooper is over 17’?? Its not good to not be inaccurate on such a simple thing. Or maybe Gobe hit a wall with his GII and compressed it into a stubby version. :>)

Mark

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (6 of 15), Read 122 times
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 04:28 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

You know, I have hit some stuff really hard with my GII, but I really didn't measure, Mark. I'll do that tonight. Ya got my curiosity up, but the Cooper sure LOOKED a tad longer(?) Maybe if I stick both their 'noses' against a wall .......
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (7 of 15), Read 116 times
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 05:17 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Well, I did like the carpenter should: measure twice, cut once. I measured the Cooper 16' 6" on the button! Measured the GII and got 16' 5-1/2" to the end of the boat. If you measure to the end of the rear casting, it's 16' 7". Maybe the 17' is with the rudder in place (or my GII shrunk). Come to think of it, all my life I was 6' 1-1/2". Now, the best I can get is 6' even.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (8 of 15), Read 120 times
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 05:47 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

I stuck the rudder on the GII (first time I ever had it on) and it measured 17' from the nose casting to the trailing edge of the rudder. Oh, and by the way, I used the same tape measure on both boats! (;>)
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (9 of 15), Read 81 times
Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:29 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I'll bet I know what it is..
The Cooper has it's chest pushed out.. making it longer.. (:>)...
be interested in others measureing to see if Gobe's GII shrank....

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (10 of 15), Read 72 times
Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 08:31 PM
Author:flatwater
Email:jrb_lists@sbcglobal.net

On Thursday, July 22, 2004 gobe wrote:

> But, for extended trips, camping, major
> touring .... it'll be the GII (I might pack
> the Coop in the GII as well!

Now there's a picture to wrap your brain around! Pack the Cooper IN the GII and take it along for the ride. WOW, what a concept.

John Burch
West suburban Chicago
Blue GII

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (11 of 15), Read 69 times
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 06:06 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Could be done, John. What is it that they say in the Navy, "You can put a boat on a ship, but not the other way around." (?)
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (12 of 15), Read 61 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:02 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:1989.JPG, 1990.JPG, 1991.JPG

Had a very nice, although too short, visit from Kayakfisher and his family from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. They were in the St. Louis area to visit the Arch and see some of the Lewis & Clark stuff around here. Kayakfisher (Scott) arranged to stop over at my place to see the new Cooper. I have attached a couple of pictures we took while he and his family were here. Some of you will remember Kayakfisher from the Buffalo River Float Trip last year.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (13 of 15), Read 47 times
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:35 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Good looking clan he has there.. I know you enjoyed showing off that 1'st issue boat.. (:>)...
"too short".. visit must mean he didn't get a chance to paddle her..
well. .. maybe next time??
great visit I'm sure.........

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (14 of 15), Read 27 times
Date: Monday, July 26, 2004 06:16 PM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

Just a note to say thanks Gobe! I am grateful that you let me look at the Cooper and your other kayaks. The Cooper should be a rocket to paddle. Strange though, it did not seem too confining. I still could move my legs and they were not squished together at the knees like one long skinny plastic kayak I test paddled was.
Many Thanks Gobe.
Scott

Subject: Cooper vs Greenland II Comparison (15 of 15), Read 19 times
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 06:36 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Pleasure was mine. It's always nice to see an ol' paddling friend and talk kayaks. You have a nice young family there. Hope some of them acquire your enthusiasm for the sport. It's nice to make it a family thing.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 1 Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18, BLUE Cooper No. 1

Took the boy fishing

Subject: Took the boy fishing (1 of 5), Read 107 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:59 AM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:1992.JPG, 1993.JPG, 1994.JPG, 1995.JPG

Paddlers,

Decided to take my 12 year old fishing so took a day off and went to Smith Reservoir in the Cascades with the GII. I practiced the harmonica while the boy fished and we had a great day. A pretty spot with lots of rainbow trout. We caught and released so many fish I lost count. The put in is by the dam and about 2 ½ miles up at the far end is a boat-in-only camp ground. The camp ground is really nice. I haven’t seen many new pictures in the Photo Album section lately so enjoy.

Mark

Subject: Took the boy fishing (2 of 5), Read 92 times
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 01:06 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Wow Mark, what a beautiful place to paddle! Looks like you and Boy had a great day together. Although, that picture of you and the harmonica, looks like a lot of tension there, you need to relax more (;>).
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP, Cooper "Mzz Bee"

Subject: Took the boy fishing (3 of 5), Read 83 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 04:57 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:1996.JPG

I always manage to screw-up attaching pictures (duplicated the one) oh well, good thing this isn't my day job. So here is the pic I intended to attach.

Mark

Subject: Took the boy fishing (4 of 5), Read 44 times
Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 09:21 AM
Author:bigcritter
Email:bigcritter4@comcast.net

Mark,
Loved the photos of you and the boy fishing. Looked like you had a real nice, relaxin' time! :>) If you live within commuting distance of Olympia, WA and you think you might be interested in showing off your GII to a neophyte paddler....let me know! Silverfox has graciously offered, but Bellingham is a "fer piece" away and it may be some time before I can make it up that way. So.....if there's someone closer to Olympia with a GII or Yukon........ :>)

Subject: Took the boy fishing (5 of 5), Read 34 times
Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:39 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Good photos.. no you didn't screw 'em up..
enjoyed 'em much... I' do suffer a bit from the large files though..
any help in crunching 'em down a bit would load 'em faster here... on my modem driven connection..
took better part of 30 mintues to view all 5...
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Heron Picture

Subject: Heron Picture (1 of 2), Read 79 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 03:31 AM
Author:rcfox
Email:randycfox@hotmail.com
Files:1997.JPG


Subject: Heron Picture (2 of 2), Read 73 times
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 06:37 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

BIG BIRD lives......!!!
those guys can get large... evil eyes.. great shot.. keep 'em coming..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

South Catamount Res., Pikes Peak, Colorado

Subject: South Catamount Res., Pikes Peak, Colorado (1 of 2), Read 104 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 10:07 AM
Author:RockyMtnRay
Email:rmr4yakking@cs.com
Files:1998.JPG

Finally got the pics of my early boating with "Molly" the Edisto. Took 'em with one of those "waterproof" disposable cameras. Not impressed with image quality and the lens is pretty wide angle. But this one which was taken on Molly's maiden voyage in the first week of June on South Catamount Reservoir (elevation 9200) on the North Slope of Pikes Peak wasn't toooo bad. Couple of comments about the pic: First, the peak is much closer than it appears...though the camera's wide angle lens makes it look several miles away, it actually looms over the lake! Second, the sky is very un-Colorado-ish...the grey & threatening appearance is because a thunderstorm was brewing and cut loose about 30 minutes after this was taken. Third, all the white stuff on the peak is snow...at 14,000 feet early June is really just very early spring. Even at the lake's elevation, the Aspen trees had just leafed out a couple of weeks earlier. :)

Ray
Colorado Springs, CO
Red Edisto (the "Unsinkable" Molly Brown)

Subject: South Catamount Res., Pikes Peak, Colorado (2 of 2), Read 104 times
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 10:42 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

That looks like a swell place to paddle, Ray! Those underwater cameras have that lens to compensate for the magnification of being in the water. My Ikelite camera case actually has an external lens that gets slid in front of the camera lens when used underwater.
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Proud Parents

Subject: Proud Parents (1 of 11), Read 189 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004 05:16 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:1999.JPG, 2000.JPG

I don't know whether this is 'politically correct' or not, but I feel like we're the Folbot 'family'. Attached is a picture of my beautiful bride, her son and one of our granddaughters. The occasion was the Graduation of Rick from Washington U. in St. Louis with his Juris Doctorate degree. He has been Co-Oping with the United States Department of Justice and will be moving to Washington DC after he passes his Bar Exam in August. In the meantime, our 'tribe' is going to Amberg, Germany for his wedding in the same Church his Mother was Baptized in. That will happen in 2-1/2 weeks and then he and his new wife will move to Washington DC. Didn't realize until the pictures were posted that I was wearing my 'fat shirt'! Shoulda sucked my gut in!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Proud Parents (2 of 11), Read 162 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 05:23 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

BB(Beautiful Bride) should really be proud! Now she can say, "My son the doctor". Great pictures, Gobe. You don't look too "fluffy", just relaxed. ;>)
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: Proud Parents (3 of 11), Read 152 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 07:04 AM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

A handsome family. Gobe always stand next to your pretty wife and she will make you look good. Congratulations to all.
Bob K

Subject: Proud Parents (4 of 11), Read 152 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 07:17 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

If I stand next to my wife, I suffer by comparison. Looking at that picture again reminds me of the two guys talking about 'maturing'. One says, "Heck, this is the same belt I wore in High School!" And the second guy says, "Yeah. Except in High School you wore it around your waist!"
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Proud Parents (5 of 11), Read 156 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 07:30 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Gobe,

The family (and you) look great.

Tom

Subject: Proud Parents (6 of 11), Read 157 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 07:45 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Congrats on all.. great family..
Wanna trade??
(:>)
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Proud Parents (7 of 11), Read 158 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 09:13 AM
Author:saruman
Email:paul_probus@yahoo.com

Well, my condolences to your son on having to move to DC.

Paul

Subject: Proud Parents (8 of 11), Read 157 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:15 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Amen to that, Paul! Last place I would want to go, but they're charged up about it.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Proud Parents (9 of 11), Read 151 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:18 AM
Author:saruman
Email:paul_probus@yahoo.com

I might be joining him, at least commuting from where I live now to DC as I applied for a position at the Smithsonian. I should be a shoe-in to at least get an interview! Getting the job may not be so easy, though.

Paul

Subject: Proud Parents (10 of 11), Read 156 times
Date: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:16 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

You better not let Ms. Pete see that remark or SHE may decide to trade up to a working dude! (;>)
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Proud Parents (11 of 11), Read 136 times
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 01:25 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Yeah.. she (that's Wifey to the un-intiated..) could do better.....(:>)
but I got her fooled.. .. or . I think so..??
might be the other way around.. I seem to be a full time handy man around here since I retired.. ??
dang.. you dont' think..............
na..
'sides.. the dog loves me. we could share his house.. no sweat..

Wifey has a real name.. I'll have to go look it up.....
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Cathlamet on the Columbia

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (1 of 9), Read 190 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:25 AM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2001.JPG, 2002.JPG, 2003.JPG, 2004.JPG, 2005.JPG

Hi all, my son and I took a day to paddle a part of the lower Columbia that I had not done before. We launched at Cathlamet WA and small town of about 600 people about 25 miles from the mouth of the Columbia. The plan was to paddle through the islands of the Julia Butler Hansen National Wildlife Refuge and up the Elochoman River as far as we felt the urge and maybe get down to the town of Skamokawa. We launched about an hour before low tide – very strong tidal effect in this part of the river. Stopped at a mud flat to visit with some raccoons scavenging. Then paddled past a navigation tower where a pair of Osprey eagles was nesting and not happy to see visitors – we quickly departed. We then went up the Elochoman River a mile of so. We then proceeded down river and had to wade some shallows between islands but the tide started coming in and all was right again.

We then stopped for lunch at a sand spit on the main channel of the Columbia and looked up to notice a very large freighter coming down the channel. We were close to the shipping channel and I knew the wake was going to be significant so I decided to take the GII out to meet the wake in deeper water rather than haul to up the shore. My son manned the camera on shore and I went out to meet the wake. This was a really big freighter and he was moving. I was in deep enough water when I meet the wake to ride it safely before it starting breaking. I would not have been good to meet this wake in shallower water the chance of getting rolled would have been good. It was fun and I was not trying to take a risk I just knew the GII could handle it. After lunch we decided to head back with the current and the wind and enjoy the ride. Total paddle 10 miles. It was another great day.

Mark

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (2 of 9), Read 156 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:36 AM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2006.JPG

And here are the racoons!!

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (3 of 9), Read 154 times
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:16 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Great shots, Mark. That's one of my favorite areas on the Lower Columbia. Looks like you and your son had a great trip.

Smooth move shifting the G II into deeper water for the container ship's wake. Those vessels are right up there with car carriers for steep wakes. Fun to ride, but bears when they break in the shallows.

Come on by the next time you're down my way.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (the boat with no name)

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (4 of 9), Read 147 times
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 06:57 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Having missed my chance to go on the Columbia with DaveK, I have to ask: with a big boat like the one pictured, would there be a chance of having the picnic washed off the sand bar?
mike v

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (5 of 9), Read 142 times
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 08:37 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 5/19/04 6:57:00 AM, vennard wrote:

>I have to ask: with a big boat like the one pictured, would
>there be a chance of having the picnic washed off the sand bar?

Yes. It is the surge wake that will get you. About a year ago I posted a series of photos on the Paddling/Clothing/Safety conference showing a big one, under Surge Wake Photos. Sand bars such as the one in Mark's photo are very vulnerable to them.

Surge wakes will toss around small boats, sometimes stranding them a few feet above the nominal water level. This happened to a pair of damsels at one of the campsites we used on the Columbia in 2001. Took eight of us to rotate the boat enough to refloat it.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (the boat with no name)

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (6 of 9), Read 137 times
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:46 AM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

I knew the pictured ship was really large but I had no idea, so I found a description of the vessel (Hanjin Philadelphia) on the Hanjin web site. The ship is listed at 930 feet in length - over three football fields folks.

Paddle on and respect the forces around you.

Mark

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (7 of 9), Read 136 times
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 01:24 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 5/19/04 11:46:00 AM, MARKSP8 wrote:

>I knew the pictured ship was really large but I had no
>idea, so I found a description of the vessel (Hanjin
>Philadelphia) on the Hanjin web site. The ship is
>listed at 930 feet in length - over three football fields folks.

Wow. I knew those things were huge, but never knew exactly how big. I think the Hanjin container ships might be the largest commercial vessels that typically ply the Columbia.

Almost a fifth of mile long ... no wonder it takes them forever to stop!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (the boat with no name)

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (8 of 9), Read 128 times
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2004 07:41 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

I remember seeing the postings of the wake wave, which was part of the impetus for the question. I might expect that the wave effects would be in relation to the closeness of the boat to the particular sand bar and the over all width/depth of the river at that point. In a wider, shallower part the wave would dissipate quicker?
mike v

Subject: Cathlamet on the Columbia (9 of 9), Read 128 times
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2004 02:08 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 5/20/04 7:41:00 AM, vennard wrote:

>In a wider, shallower part the wave would
>dissipate quicker?

Yes. The surge wake is most spectacular if there is a wide expanse of low-gradient shoreline adjacent to relatively deep water, when the freighter passes close by. The surge hits the shoreline and first removes water (sometimes up to two vertical feet), and then replaces what was removed and keeps on going, sometimes rising as much as three-four feet above the original waterline.

OTOH, if the underwater topography gradually becomes shallower over a longer distance, the surge wake "deconstructs" into a series of much shorter-wavelength minisurges which wash over the shallows, and there is no large vertical excursion.

I'm told this "deconstruction" process is identical to what a tsunami does as it crosses the continental shelf. Otherwise, the series of tsunami pulses normally seen would be one humongous surge. [A tsunami has such a long wavelength that it becomes a "shallow water wave" at about 1000-2000 feet of depth -- ordinary surf has a much shorter wavelength and becomes what we see at the beach only when the water shallows to 50 feet or less.]

Willard Bascom's classic treatise, "Waves and Beaches," has a good discussion of tsunamis, written for us ordinary folks. Out of print, but in the earth science section at your local public library, most likely.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (the boat with no name)

Yaks-N-Cats

Subject: Yaks-N-Cats (1 of 4), Read 154 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:43 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2007.JPG, 2008.JPG, 2009.JPG, 2010.JPG, 2011.JPG

Well, just letting the Super dry out before putting it away last time it was used and the cats thought it was a pretty nice place to nap. Kinda like a cat-yak-hammock.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: Yaks-N-Cats (2 of 4), Read 146 times
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2004 01:11 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Good ones, John ... next I want to see one with them in their tiny PFD's ... in Scappoose Bay!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (the boat with no name)

Subject: Yaks-N-Cats (3 of 4), Read 145 times
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2004 05:30 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

They didn't look like they were very disturbed as you were taking their pictures 'eh.. ha.. I had a black and white similar to yours... a real rascal that one..
and apparently like you... I had no concern that he'd have any interest in scratching the boat.. I'm betting the hammock like bed was right comfy for 'em...

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Yaks-N-Cats (4 of 4), Read 120 times
Date: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:56 AM
Author:msw
Email:msw@easystreet.com

Next best thing to being one the water...

Great models! Great Photos!

msw

Another shot from Alaksa

Subject: Another shot from Alaksa (1 of 3), Read 161 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 01:21 AM
Author:skialaska
Email:skialaska@alaska.net
Files:2012.JPG

Another Shot from Gods country

Subject: Another shot from Alaksa (2 of 3), Read 149 times
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 06:10 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

In a word.. wow... 'course.. we'll need a caption.. pretty place..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Another shot from Alaksa (3 of 3), Read 139 times
Date: Saturday, May 08, 2004 11:55 AM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

Seward? Valdez?

Scott

Alaska Maiden Voyage, Third try

Subject: Alaska Maiden Voyage, Third try (1 of 2), Read 142 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 01:18 AM
Author:skialaska
Email:skialaska@alaska.net
Files:2013.JPG

Well we love our boats. Have had them out a few time this spring in the Alaska spring. I will post our maiden voyage again.

Resurection Bay, South of Seward Alaska, we paddled up Tonsina Creek which is south of seward several miles. Alaska is an unforgetable paddle. I came up here in 1982 With the National Outdoor Leadership School (NOLS). Paddle Folbots for 32 consecutive days in Prince William Sound. And Now I am buy my first Folbot. They Rock.

Subject: Alaska Maiden Voyage, Third try (2 of 2), Read 100 times
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 09:34 PM
Author:msw
Email:msw@easystreet.com

Breathtaking. You gotta love Alaska. I
suppose you know about the many great
Forest Service and Park Service cabins
for rent up there. They make great bases
for paddling trips.

msw

No Topic

Subject: No Topic (1 of 8), Read 179 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 06:22 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu
Files:2014.JPG

I saw this picture on the Paddlenews e-mail I get once a week. Thought I'd share.

Nothing like a incorrect surf landing...


mtm2525

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.

Subject: No Topic (2 of 8), Read 150 times
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 06:33 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 4/28/04 6:22:00 AM, mtm2525 wrote:

>Nothing like a incorrect surf
>landing...

An endo in shallow water will often shorten your boat ...

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (the boat with no name)

Subject: No Topic (3 of 8), Read 156 times
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 06:44 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Good form, lots of air....I give it a "9".
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: No Topic (4 of 8), Read 150 times
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 01:43 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

That photo is of me during my on the water surfing class at the recent Charleston Kayak Festival.

Cliffy was going to take the class with me but he "said" he was too busy at the Folbot booth.

Gobe mumbled something about he had to get back home to St. Louis.

All is not lost though. Our Wanda said she will take the class with me next year and leave Cliffy in charge of the booth. If the next time you call in to Folbot and someone answers "Surf's Up" that is Wanda.

Bob K

Subject: No Topic (5 of 8), Read 137 times
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 05:46 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Well, what were that odds that it was someone from this group. Hope you came out of it all right Bob...


mtm2525

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.

Subject: No Topic (6 of 8), Read 142 times
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 06:30 AM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

On 4/29/04 5:46:00 AM, mtm2525 wrote:
>. Hope you came out of it all right Bob...

Well yes I did. My hearing aid seems to be working better because now I hear voices all the time.
Bob K

Subject: No Topic (7 of 8), Read 129 times
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 03:11 PM
Author:yakers
Email:yakers@earthlink.net

I'm going to make sure my wife doesn't see that picture. It will set off some very unfond memories. In a time before our Folbots we went up the California coast near Hurst Castle/San Simeon. The waves were good size but particularly relentless, I do not remember any break in the wave pattern. She had a plastic sit on top and I had a very squirelly surf sky which I had trouble keeping upright in normal waves. She decided to go first and got spit out, just like in the picture. I decided not venture out. Big mistake, I should just have tried and gotten plastered and then I could live in peace. We were up this last weekend in the area looking at elephant seals and she again reminded me of my absence of honor. Don't let her see that picture.
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Subject: No Topic (8 of 8), Read 129 times
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 05:16 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Remind your wife that : He who chooses step away, lives to get splattered another day!
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Our Maiden Voyage--In Alaska

Subject: Our Maiden Voyage--In Alaska (1 of 5), Read 157 times
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 08:46 PM
Author:paddle Alaska
Email:skialaska@alaska.net

My wife and I purchased an Aleut and a Yukon in February. Finally got it out this past weekend. Spring time in Alaska. Sighted Sea Lions, Seals, Bald Eagles, and many types of birds. I am trying to post some pics

Subject: Our Maiden Voyage--In Alaska (2 of 5), Read 144 times
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 09:12 PM
Author:paddle Alaska
Email:skialaska@alaska.net

Well, my pics did not take. Can anyone walk me through that process

Subject: Our Maiden Voyage--In Alaska (3 of 5), Read 116 times
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:22 AM
Author:paddle Alaska
Email:skialaska@alaska.net

Here I will try for some pics again.

Subject: Our Maiden Voyage--In Alaska (4 of 5), Read 144 times
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:26 AM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net


what part of alaska are you from? i live in southcentral, on the kenai peninsula.

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: Our Maiden Voyage--In Alaska (5 of 5), Read 116 times
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:21 AM
Author:paddle Alaska
Email:skialaska@alaska.net

We live in Anchorage now. Lived in Seward and Girdwood for year. Came to AK in 1982 spent 32 nights out on Prince William sound paddling Folbots.

Been hooked ever since.

East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (1 of 8), Read 192 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:23 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:2015.JPG, 2016.JPG, 2017.JPG

I'll post a few of the pictures I took at the "Topic" get together in Charleston, SC. I finally got to visit the Folbot plant. Was met by Max, the Wonder Dog and then by Wanda who immediately sent me over to the plant where she said Cliffy and Phil were expecting me. I said I'd be there before noon and arrived at 11:30am. Walked into the plant and two tough-lookin' hombre's said, "You 'gobe'?" When I admitted it, they both greeted me like a long-lost brother that owed 'em money and had come home to pay it! We had communicated for years and really felt that we knew each other, but it was the first time we had met in person! EVERYBODY I met there and over the weekend were just fantastic! Before I get carried away, let me post some pictures and 'introduce' you to some of them. This first set of pictures was taken on Friday morning when Cliffy and I went out to the East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival grounds to set up the Folbot display. You'll notice that Cliffy was doing all the work whilst I was taking the pictures (;>)
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (2 of 8), Read 168 times
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:33 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Fantastic, Gobe!!! Did you get a chance to paddle an Edisto? I only sat in one at Flamingo but the water was too far away....that day. Looks like a real nice display. I want one of those Folbot banners for my car ;>)
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (3 of 8), Read 170 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 01:43 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:2018.JPG, 2019.JPG, 2020.JPG, 2021.JPG

On Friday night, the Branham's invited us folks that were in town over for a little informal get together. It was a great evening with good folks! Real Southern hospitality! Since this gol darn website doesn't always post the pictures in the order you post them, I'll describe each.
Phil,Ms_Pete,Wandra,Phil's_Ann:
Phil's in the background snitching something while the 'girls' are preoccupied. The lady in orange is Cliffy's wife "Ms. Pete" (she really does have lovely 'given' name). Then, the voice of Folbot when you call in, is Wandra. As tough as she is, I would have expected a gal the size of Horrible Helga, the Camp Commandant, so, you can see why I was surprised when I met her. The other lovely lady is Phil's Spiritual & Financial Advisor, his wife Ann, so we had two Ann's there.
Swamp Girl, Cliffy, Gator Bob:
Well, here's the "World Famous" AnnD that you've read about, if you haven't had the pleasure of meeting in person. Cliffy is in the middle with the skewer of shrimp that we were gourging on before the fish boil. And then, the notorious Gator Bob in the process of spinning yet another yarn! You'll remember ... he's the World Famous Photographer that's known for the taking of pictures of alligators while pointing the camera to the rear, over his shoulder as he's leaving tracks away from the alligator!
Ann & Wandra:
I caught them just as Ann was saying to Wandra, "With all this stuff on the table, you had to grab the piece of corn that I wanted!"
Wandra, gobe, Swamp_Girl and Gator Bob:
Phil finally insisted that I get in a picture, so I did on the condition that I could sit between the girls.
So, that's it for now. What an absolutely wonderful group of people. I'm glad that I finally went there and met them, which also included some of the folks in the plant that I didn't photograph due to respect for my tender little body. I didn't dare pull out my camera after I was shown the 'inner sanctom'.


gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (4 of 8), Read 174 times
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2004 01:53 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Hey, my Quality Control stinks, unless you give points for consistency .... I kept spelling her name "Wandra" and it's really "Wanda". Sorry about that.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (5 of 8), Read 158 times
Date: Monday, April 19, 2004 05:50 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Great post. Nice being able to put faces to the names we see so often.

Looks like a lot of fun was had by all.

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (6 of 8), Read 144 times
Date: Monday, April 19, 2004 05:43 PM
Author:Doctor Al
Email:dralbertlee@earthlink.net

Thanks Cliffy and Gobe for sharing these nice pics -- of both old friends and friends we have not yet met.

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (7 of 8), Read 140 times
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 05:42 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

It's a shame this forum doesn't offer sound.. ha.. the stories and laughter was rampant.. (a little "James Taylor" sounds in the background etc..)
Also.. that last photo.. shows a glimpse of a "Frogmore Stew" we whipped up.. a "lowcountry favorite".. of goodies to grab and go.. ya should've been there..
Ya'll come.. it's the south.. -'ever-body is welcum... (:>)
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: East Coast Canoe & Kayak Festival (8 of 8), Read 132 times
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 09:23 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

I can surely attest to that! It was a fun night and the Branham's know how to throw a 'layed-back' party and make it look easy! Good drinks, good vittles and good company. I'll post more pictures here tonight after I've reduced them. I GOTTA get out and get my Passport renewed or my Spiritual & Financial Advisor will kill me if I can't go to Germany for our son's wedding in June cuz the ol' man fergot to get his Passport renewed!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Loading the Greenland II

Subject: Loading the Greenland II (1 of 2), Read 199 times
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 06:11 PM
Author:Roller Guy
Email:twotins@txucom.net

I took my maiden voyage in my new Greenland II. I have to load and unload my Folbot without help. The attached file shows how.

I can be contacted at twotins@txucom.net. Steve

Subject: Loading the Greenland II (2 of 2), Read 177 times
Date: Thursday, April 08, 2004 06:45 AM
Author:lwhited
Email:lwhited1@msn.com

Steve, no files came through. I'd love to see your pictures.
Larry
Yukon Gold

John Day River - Oregon

Subject: John Day River - Oregon (1 of 6), Read 250 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 03:17 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2022.JPG, 2023.JPG, 2024.JPG, 2025.JPG, 2026.JPG

About 100 miles east of Portland OR the John Day River meets the Columbia. A few miles down stream from where the rivers meet they dammed the Columbia to create Umatilla Lake. The John Day arm of Umatilla Lake backs up about 8 or 9 miles. On April 3rd my 17 year old and I paddled this water. This is in the DRY part of Oregon as you will see from the pictures. It would be very hot in the summer but was only in the 70s this day with almost no wind.

About 4 miles back there is a State run campground. A very nice facility that is accessible by boat only. They turn the water on and open the restrooms in late April I think so no one was there. We stopped at the campground for a good leg-stretch and then went about another 3 miles up. The only wildlife encountered were lots of large mouth bass jumping in the shallows – I think its spawning season. There were a few bass boats (maybe 6) but not a lot.

We turned back before making it to where the river flows in to the lake because of time but I understand there are class 5 rapids there that I will get up to next time. At the end of a very long day of paddling we raced about the last 500 yards back. We’ll call it a tie but I was in the Kodiak and my son was in the Yukon or else I would have been shamed in defeat by the youngster.

Enjoy - Mark

Subject: John Day River - Oregon (2 of 6), Read 232 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 03:24 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2027.JPG, 2028.JPG, 2029.JPG, 2030.JPG

More Pics

Subject: John Day River - Oregon (3 of 6), Read 197 times
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 06:27 AM
Author:glenn101
Email:seakayak101@yahoo.com

Mark,

Some nice snapshots. Campground looks like a great place to kick back in a Mexican hammock, book in one hand, cold ale in the other.

Cheers,
glenn GII




Subject: John Day River - Oregon (4 of 6), Read 200 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 06:41 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2031.JPG, 2032.JPG

Great shots, Mark. Lotta good water in Eastern Oregon. Love that sere quality to the landscape.

Every been to Lake Owyhee? Deserty with some interesting side canyons ... and tons of cows.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak (no name yet)

Subject: John Day River - Oregon (5 of 6), Read 204 times
Date: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 07:14 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Great shots and story.. a campground accessible only from the water would be a #1 spot to go back to for a few days.
Fish jumping, trees for shade.. water.. it's a complete place..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: John Day River - Oregon (6 of 6), Read 145 times
Date: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:20 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Mark,

It looks like a great trip.

Beautiful country...

Tom

Santa Fe River - Florida

Subject: Santa Fe River - Florida (1 of 4), Read 137 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 03:30 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2033.JPG, 2034.JPG, 2035.JPG, 2036.JPG, 2037.JPG

Spent a couple of beautiful days tent camping during the kids springbreak at Oleno State Park in High Springs, Florida. Interesting place since the Santa Fe (a tributary of the Suwannee) goes underground for 3 miles at the State Park making a natural bridge. Had to paddle upstream and get out several times to pull my GII (with 3 passengers remaining in the boat) after running aground on rocks (lack of rain made parts of river 6" or less deep). Also had to portage up a 3 foot waterfall which normally wouldn't be a big deal except my wife lost her footing and fell in. It was unusually cold for April here in Florida, high of 66, low 38. Nothing a couple of Pac Towels couldn't fix. My 7 year old Son made a game of counting the number of times we collided with rocks while going downstream = 27 collisions. Can't believe how forgiving these hypalon hulls are = fantastic. Hopefully, I'll be returning within the next couple of weeks to paddle the Santa Fe starting at the nearby river rise. Many cool springs along that route.............Ginnie Springs, Poe Springs, Blue Springs, Devils Ear, etc.

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Santa Fe River - Florida (2 of 4), Read 126 times
Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 05:20 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Beautiful water, Mike.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Santa Fe River - Florida (3 of 4), Read 120 times
Date: Monday, April 05, 2004 08:18 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Great photo's Mike.. Florida has so many good spots to launch and explore.. I need to force myself to sit down and compile a list of good places to go..
thanks for the story..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Santa Fe River - Florida (4 of 4), Read 116 times
Date: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:45 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Mike,

Sounds and looks like you had a great trip. Thanks for sharing.

Tom

California Paddle

Subject: California Paddle (1 of 4), Read 144 times
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 06:04 PM
Author:lwhited
Email:lwhited1@msn.com

I've mentioned my paddle on the Napa and Russian rivers and the SF bay to Angel Island. I have just arranged them on my web site and think some might enjoy viewing them and reading the story that goes with.
For the Napa River:
http://www.seapearlboats.org/html/california_paddle.html
and
http://www.seapearlboats.org/html/down_the_napa.html
For the Russian River:
http://www.seapearlboats.org/html/russian_river.html
For Saulsalito to Tiburon and on the Angel:
http://www.seapearlboats.org/html/paddling_the_bay.html
Hope they are enjoyed. Larry, Atlanta, GA

Subject: California Paddle (2 of 4), Read 129 times
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 05:30 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Looks like you had a great time, Larry. Very nice pictures and your Yukon is beautiful! Good trips in the future and we await your reports. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: California Paddle (3 of 4), Read 129 times
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 05:49 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Very different sides of the bay I'd not seen..
Pretty nice .. thanks for the story and pics.. I suppose.. that most places will offer more if we have the time to -explore- a bit.. what we see from the major highways is only a small portion of the hidden scenes awaiting the casual adventurer..
and another reason to have a boat handy..
Again.. Good stuff Larry..
I did enjoy your work..!!
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: California Paddle (4 of 4), Read 106 times
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 04:13 PM
Author:lwhited
Email:lwhited1@msn.com

Thanks, guys,
I did have a good time and felt so empowered having my own boat to do as I saw fit. More stories will be coming from the Cedar Key boat meet on the first w/e in May and my trip to south Florida thereafter.
Larry

San Francisco Waterfront

Subject: San Francisco Waterfront (1 of 4), Read 137 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 07:49 PM
Author:prathmann
Email:prathman@attbi.com

Three of us paddled along the San Francisco waterfront today from China Basin just south of the baseball park, under the Bay Bridge, past Fisherman's Wharf to the Maritime Museum at Aquatic Park. Elmer was using one of those skinny kevlar contraptions while Logan and I were in my '67 Super; so we promised to wait up if he fell too far behind.

Unfortunately we never got the sunshine promised earlier by the weatherman, but at least it stayed warm and dry.
Pictures of our outing are at:
http://community.webshots.com/album/128693887QInqqg?220

Subject: San Francisco Waterfront (2 of 4), Read 131 times
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2004 06:06 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

sunshine can be elusive.. never seems to cooperate when ya want it.. but still any sucessful trip is a good one .....
I'll bet the bay water is still cold though..
good photo's.
keep 'em coming..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: San Francisco Waterfront (3 of 4), Read 134 times
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2004 02:01 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Wow -- great sights! How cool to see all that from the water. How far a trip was it, Peter? Up-and-back or shuttle?
AnnD

Subject: San Francisco Waterfront (4 of 4), Read 126 times
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2004 04:48 PM
Author:prathmann
Email:prathman@attbi.com

Round trip distance was just over 10 miles. Not sure what the bay water temperature is currently, but would guess it's in the mid-50s. There were a number of swimmers at Aquatic Park who looked comfortable in their Speedos.

Help with attaching photo's

Subject: Help with attaching photo's (1 of 4), Read 80 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:58 AM
Author:Hopalong64
Email:rees@creagan.freeserve.co.uk

Hi
I would like to attach some photo's of my 'Maiden voyage'in my new Kodiak, but the file size of the immages is too large...
Any ideas?
Alwyn

Subject: Help with attaching photo's (2 of 4), Read 66 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 09:28 AM
Author:back40
Email:jdb666@hotmail.com

On 3/26/04 12:58:00 AM, Hopalong64 wrote:
>Hi
>I would like to attach some
>photo's of my 'Maiden
>voyage'in my new Kodiak, but
>the file size of the immages
>is too large...
>Any ideas?
>Alwyn

Lots of freeware to resize images. Try Irfanview.

Subject: Help with attaching photo's (3 of 4), Read 66 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:27 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Irfanview is the one I use. It's free and you can get it on http://www.tucows.com
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Help with attaching photo's (4 of 4), Read 61 times
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2004 06:11 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Try.... copying and pasting to your "Paint" program.... from there.. you can reduce "size" of photo by going under the Heading "image".... and then selecting "attributes"....reduce the size to .. say.... 640 x 480 and save as a JPEG.. usually makes for a "good enough" photo at much smaller file size....

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Stability testing

Subject: Stability testing (1 of 8), Read 258 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:19 AM
Author:gbritton
Email:britton@noc.utoronto.ca
Files:2038.JPG, 2039.JPG

Here are some of my highly unscientific (but high fun factor) stability test results on my Greenland II. :) I saw something like this in
a Klepper ad a long time ago and had to try it for myself.

Glenn

Subject: Stability testing (2 of 8), Read 223 times
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:42 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Cool!

Glenn, those are strong endorsements for both the G II's stability and your agility!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Stability testing (3 of 8), Read 223 times
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:43 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

The water you found in the boat came in the drain hole in the stern under the end cap. Don't worry about it. That PFD is one of the thinnest I've ever seen! Was this a case of: "Hold my beer and watch this!"? ;>)
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Stability testing (4 of 8), Read 191 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 07:38 AM
Author:gbritton
Email:britton@noc.utoronto.ca

Hi Pete, I was trying to prove to my wife how
stable the Greenland II is however the real exercise was to practice climbing back in the kayak over both the bow and stern after jumping into the water. I did indeed reward myself with a beer, but only after the "serious" stuff ;). My wife tried to climb in while wearing her pfd, and although it gave more padding than a wetsuit, it made the crawl over the bow a wee bit more difficult when one of her pfd tension straps snagged on the nut holding the cockpit nose casting and she had to waste some energy while freeing the strap with the one hand.
It is good to know about potential snags when
the water is warm and conditions are calm. We sail our Greenland II in Georgian Bay, north of Toronto and the water is usually cold and the waves larger than when we made these photos.
Glenn

Subject: Stability testing (5 of 8), Read 190 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 08:38 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

It's better to find the snags in controlled conditions for sure. Have you tried a paddle float and climbing in from the side? It makes the boat quite stable. Cliffy keeps two rope loops on the center frame(one on each side) to slide the paddle into. That's a capital idea! Some folks have experimented with a larger loop on one side to use as a "boarding ladder". In the cold water you have up there, you need to reenter the boat as quickly as possible while you can still function. I used to paddle the waters of Labrador where you can't fill a one quart canteen without changing hands because the water is so cold. Brrrrr!
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Stability testing (6 of 8), Read 181 times
Date: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:44 PM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Glen,

It looks like she is a little light in the bow :)

Yes, those nobs seem to reach out and grab anything going by.

Tom

Subject: Stability testing (7 of 8), Read 179 times
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2004 06:14 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Kinda like a "wheel stand".
enjoyed the thread..
keep the fun coming......!!!1
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Stability testing (8 of 8), Read 183 times
Date: Saturday, March 27, 2004 06:20 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

I opened the first photo and sat and stared waiting for you to fall in, then realized I had to click the back button to move on...
mike v

Escape the Cubical

Subject: Escape the Cubical (1 of 7), Read 189 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 02:15 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2040.JPG, 2041.JPG, 2042.JPG, 2043.JPG, 2044.JPG

I took an “escape the cubical day” last Wednesday and took the trusty Yukon up to a lake I have been wanting to paddle. Green Peter Lake (actually a reservoir) is a large lake 31 miles of shoreline northeast of Eugene Oregon in the foothills of the Cascades. I found a spot where I could get the boat in the water on the Quartz Creek arm and went a couple of miles up to the inlet, beautiful water. Then went the other direction toward the main body of the lake. One of the most interesting sights was a very large basalt pillar (see pics) It seemed odd how this rock stood by itself near the shore. I estimate it to be 35 to 40 feet tall maybe more and 15 – 18 feet in diameter. Pushed on the main body of the lake, had now covered 8 miles and needed to get back before dark. I used an electronic depth finder with the transducer mounted on a custom made arm. (see pics in the post dated 12/31/03 in the Maintenance/Repairs/Upgrades section. The mount arm worked great. Total trip covered 12 - 13 miles. A great day and a great spot to refresh the soul.

Mark

Subject: Escape the Cubical (2 of 7), Read 172 times
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 03:20 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Wow! That's a pretty place. Great for cubicle escapes!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Escape the Cubical (3 of 7), Read 170 times
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 04:32 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Wow, what a great place to "go out and get the office stink blown off". Your pictures are swell, thanks for sharing! The rock monolith looks like Yogi Bear praying for lunch.
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Escape the Cubical (4 of 7), Read 171 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 04:32 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2045.JPG

Great photos.

Loved the one of the rock pillar. I've seen several of those around Oregon. One is very close to the shipping channel upriver 10 miles or so from here, identified, naturally, as Pillar Rock. It has a nav light on top and a buoy on the channel side as backup. It used to be taller, but the top was leveled so the light installation could be made. You can barely see it and the buoy in the attached photo. The rust-roofed structure on shore is Pillar Rock Cannery, defunct for 40 years or more.

I gather these pillars are basalt intrusions which resist weathering better than the surrounding Miocene shales, mudstones, and similar.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Escape the Cubical (5 of 7), Read 166 times
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 07:04 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

Another interesting thing about the rock pillar is that I measured the water depth right up on the side toward the open water and it was 22 feet - so that thing is a monster. I do see the resemblance to Yogi –thanks Pete.

Mark

Subject: Escape the Cubical (6 of 7), Read 159 times
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 05:31 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Thanks!
It's great to be reminded of what water looks like in the non-frozen state. And I just decided to take the afternoon off to go for a skate ski.

Haith
Waiting patiently for the thaw in Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: Escape the Cubical (7 of 7), Read 153 times
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:33 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Mark,

That trip sound great.

I am always amazed what mother nature has to show us when we just take a little time to get out and play.

Tom

Folbot Gathering

Subject: Folbot Gathering (1 of 9), Read 279 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2004 03:39 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:2046.JPG

Circa 1960's.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Folbot Gathering (2 of 9), Read 225 times
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2004 03:57 PM
Author:RockyMtnRay
Email:rmr4yakking@cs.com

Heh...cool pic but those boats look they have a viking style prow thingie. :)

Ray
Colorado Springs, CO
Red Edisto on order!

Subject: Folbot Gathering (3 of 9), Read 225 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2004 04:21 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2047.JPG

Here's a zoom on the boats, from Gobe's post. Great photo!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Folbot Gathering (4 of 9), Read 227 times
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2004 05:59 PM
Author:RockyMtnRay
Email:rmr4yakking@cs.com

Err, um, I run this computer at a moderately high screen rez (1280 X 1024) so the pic is only a bit larger and now a bit fuzzier. Sorry, but the prow thingies still look like something off a viking longboat. ;)

Ray
Colorado Springs, CO
Red Edisto on order!

Subject: Folbot Gathering (5 of 9), Read 222 times
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2004 07:50 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

The older Folbots (like my Sporty and Gobe's Supers) had a hole in the bow piece for a Folbot Pennant or burgee. I never got one, but the hole is waiting for a flag of some sort. Neat huh? Thanks for the picture, I haven't seen it in years. It brings back lots of memories of trips gone by.
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Folbot Gathering (6 of 9), Read 211 times
Date: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:59 AM
Author:prathmann
Email:prathman@attbi.com

Yes, the '82 catalog lists a spring-loaded flagpole for $1.40 and you could get your choice of the National Ensign flag ($3.60) or a triangular pennant saying 'FOLBOT' ($2.90). Five of the six boats in the picture have one of each - the pennant at the bow and the flag at the stern.

My Super came with the flag but on one trip it got caught on an overhanging log and broke the flagpole despite the spring.

Subject: Folbot Gathering (7 of 9), Read 214 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, March 12, 2004 02:30 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:2048.JPG

I just happen to have one of the old 'flagpole' masts, but no flags.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII green Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Folbot Gathering (8 of 9), Read 170 times
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2004 03:32 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Devilishly clever, that spring-loading! I really do wish Folbot would sell something similar again. Heck, they could sell a passle of 'em at double the price! (Hint, hint, Mr. Phil...)
AnnD

Subject: Folbot Gathering (9 of 9), Read 152 times
Date: Friday, March 19, 2004 05:11 PM
Author:Aleutman
Email:mnfolbot@aol.com

I think I first saw that picture in a Folbot catalog in 1974. Am I right?

100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (1 of 33), Read 463 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 04:11 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2049.JPG

Well, OK, it was only 97.6 miles, and some of that was the zig-zagging of tacking, but anyway...

After the Flamingo Flotilla this February, I took a day to restock and reorganize (rudely neglecting to say good-bye to the last of the flotillians – sorry, guys!), and packed up for a 10-day Flamingo-to-Flamingo loop through Everglades National Park. My trusty craft: Hazel the G2 with a 38-sq-ft Balogh batwing.

From Flamingo you can launch either into the interior or into Florida Bay, so I had to decide: Sail up the coast first, then circle around into Whitewater Bay and the chickees of the interior rivers. Or start inside, chickee-hopping, and end up on the Gulf and Florida Bay beaches.

Since I had an auspicious 5-day forecast in hand, prudence dictated that I do the open-water portion of the route while the weather was nice, and then duck into the more sheltered interior areas on the way home. However, being dictated to by prudence is not my favorite thing, so I decided to head up Buttonwood Canal to the interior chickees first, and leave the open water adventure for the end of the trip. Despite all my efforts to the contrary, this turned out to be a wise move. Chickees are tiny, and stays are limited to 1 night each, so weather-induced delays are much more of a problem on the inside than on the outside, where the miles of beaches easily accommodate emergency layovers. This was a good thing, since 2 cold fronts blew through while I was on the Gulf beaches, forcing me to hunker down and enjoy life in the slow lane.

My first 4 nights were spent at solo chickees:
Lane Bay
North River
Shark River
Harney River

The last 6 nights were beach nights:
a 2-night layover at Highland Beach
1 night at Northwest Cape Beach
another 2-night cold front stop at East Cape Beach
and, saving the best for last, Carl Ross Key

Details to follow; meanwhile, here’s a map of the route:

AnnD

Subject: Days 1-4: Chickee living (2 of 33), Read 323 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 04:18 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2050.JPG, 2051.JPG, 2052.JPG, 2053.JPG

The chickees I visited were all singles – just one platform. These particular chickees back right up against hammocks or islands. Your front porch is waterfront property. From your back door, you can touch the mangroves. Your rear view is of tall white mangrove trunks and flying-buttress prop roots. Your bedtime lullaby is a concerto of mysterious clickings and rustlings and puffings, punctuated by abrupt solo shrieks and honks. Shark River chickee was especially melodious at night. Wonderful scrapings and sighings and splashings. I dreamed of penguins launching themselves off my dock into the river.

No-see-ems were a problem whenever the wind died. I do not care for no-see-ems. Now moquitoes are a different story. They are time-minded creatures. I can appreciate that. We have an understanding: if I’m outside after 6:30 PM, I’m food. A simple, workable arrangement.

Early morning bug-thwarting tip: Make breakfast in your tent (a non-toxic Esbit stove works well). While it’s cooking, every so often, unzip you tent door a couple of inches, stick your camera out into the darkness, and take a picture. If the flash picks up glowing bug eyes, zip the tent back up lickety-split and eat your oatmeal. As soon as you get a clean, eyeless photo, it’s safe to go outside and enjoy the sunrise.

AnnD

Subject: Day 3: Don't believe your instruments (3 of 33), Read 330 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 04:44 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2054.JPG, 2055.JPG

I love my map-filled GPS. You can watch yourself travel right up the middle of the correct channel to your night’s lodging spot. No nervous chart-checks. No wondering whether you took a wrong turn around that last mangrove clump and have been sailing for 2 miles inexorably towards a dead end. You just watch that happy little arrow move along the happy little river into the welcoming arms of the waiting waypoint. I justified my reliance on the GPS by repeating the words of a pilot friend of mine: “Always trust your instruments.”

This strategem worked perfectly. Until I met the Labyrinth.

The Labyrinth is a tangle of interconnected look-alike channels between Whitewater Bay and Shark River, laced with a healthy sprinkling of false entrances, islands that look like headlands, peninsulas that look like passage-less shoreline. And creeks that look like major thoroughfares, right up until the moment when they dwindle into mangrove-choked oblivion.

The night before I tackled this watery maze, I compared my 3 sources of information: the route recommended by Johnny Molloy’s excellent book, “Paddler’s Guide to Everglades National Park”; my paper chart; and the map loaded into my GPS. The chart professed full belief in the existence of Molloy’s suggested route. The GPS map had never heard of it. But the GPS did have some other suggestions that looked pretty good. What to do. Hooked on that moving arrow on the GPS screen, I decided to forge my own route, following the GPS map.

Not my brightest decision of the day. Soon I was lost, clueless as to which channel I was in, finding offshoot creeks where there should be none, and solid shoreline where the GPS showed my next turn to be. Uh oh. This was not a place where I was likely run into a more enlightened paddler who could lead me to my night’s quarters at Shark River Chickee. Finally I found a point where I was convinced that the GPS map and the paper chart coincided. Gratefully, I took a right turn (well, actually, it was the wrong turn) and paddled confidently into an ever-narrowing creek that finally shrank down to less than my boat’s length.... That was an interesting 180, with amas tangled in prop roots, mast harvesting mangrove twigs, and the current sucking me ever further into the foliage. I finally made my way back to the chart/GPS junction, took another turn (the right one this time), and eventually found the Shark River and its chickee. The plus side of getting your mast tangled in mangrove branches: you don’t have to forage for Sierra stove wood that night – just check the bilge.

Moral of the story: This trusting your instruments thing – you might want to make sure you have loaded the proper information into them first....

AnnD

Subject: Day 5: Mud, mud, glorious mud (4 of 33), Read 339 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 04:51 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2056.JPG, 2057.JPG, 2058.JPG, 2059.JPG

Picture, if you will, Highland Beach. This long stretch of sand begins on the north side of a bay into which 2 rivers drain. (The thing that said rivers drain and, therefore, the thing whose sediment they carry, is, of course, the Everglades.) The beach then curves around to front the Gulf of Mexico for several miles. So, given such a beach, which end would you choose to land on? Probably NOT the end where the swampy rivers enter. Because that, see, would be the end most likely to be shallow, muddy, deltaic, and otherwise gooey. But if you did feel compelled to land at the river end because the Outward Bound folks were occupying the Gulf side, you surely would not plan to arrive at low tide. Of course not. That would be silly.

Now, I usually pack enough shirts so that I can put on a fresh one every 4th day. My trip to Highland Beach took place on the 4th morning, so I was wearing a nice fresh green shirt as I stepped from my stranded G2 at low tide into a good 14 inches of muck and slogged my way 20 feet through the goo to shore. Once safely on the sand, after congratulating myself for keeping my shirt clean and losing only 1 sandal to the slime, I considered the situation. I could wait for the tide to bring the boat to me, as it surely would in about 4 hours. But my M&Ms and my book were in the boat, so I really had no choice but to tromp back out to get them.

Once back at the boat, shirt still clean, I decided to try to pull Hazel across the slime as far as I could so that future trips for provisions would be shorter. It now occurs to me that grabbing the bow line, taking it to shore, and pulling from the firm purchase of the sandy beach would have been a good idea. However, as the careful reader will have noted, this was not my day for good ideas. So I stood calf-deep in the muck next to the boat, planted my feet (hint – don’t do that!), grabbed the deck rigging, and tugged mightily. Hazel obligingly slid 2 feet forward. Unfortunately, my 2 feet stayed right where they were. Whoa-oa-oa-oa.... Major pratfall, splat, into the goop, feet still firmly buried a loooong way from my now very muddy center of gravity. So much for the clean green shirt. I soon discovered that standing up unaided was not an option, and Hazel was not near enough to use as a prop. I was saved by my trusty Folbot paddle, which, along with its many other virtues, makes a great swamp-hoister-outer. Without that, I would have had to roll over and slither my way to shore.

Moral of the story: Never change your shirt.

AnnD

Subject: Days 5-9: Beach living (5 of 33), Read 345 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 04:59 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2060.JPG, 2061.JPG, 2062.JPG, 2063.JPG

Once I left the sheltered interior and hit the Gulf beaches, a series of cold fronts passed through, inducing me to cancel my scheduled stops at Hog Key and Graveyard Creek and declare layover days at Highland Beach and East Cape Beach. Clear sunny days are all very well, but to me there is nothing finer than being holed up on a stormy beach, watching the waves tumble the shells around and the birds careen past.

I was not sorry to forego Graveyard Creek, against which I harbor a strong prejudice. Last year, I also declined to camp there, put off by the speedboats and beer-filled coolers of the other campers. This year I was scheduled to stay there the Saturday of Presidents’ Day weekend. Not a propitious date. My deserted stretch of Highland Beach was just fine!

Only on Northwest Cape Beach did I camp in sight of other people. I slept in splendid solitude the other nights.

The cold fronts brought 20-25 kt northeast winds, which blew the water away from my beaches and delayed my launch times. I loved living at the water’s edge, clocking the tides through a couple of cycles, and learning to factor in the wind’s muscle. Before the front came through, I documented a 6-hour launchable window around the high tide at Highland Beach. After 2 days of a northerly blow, my Highland Beach launch area remained mud flats up until 1 hour before the predicted morning high tide.

AnnD

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (6 of 33), Read 353 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 05:08 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2064.JPG, 2065.JPG, 2066.JPG

Carl Ross Key is a tiny island 8 miles out in Florida Bay. One end has a tree-sheltered camping area which accommodates 2 parties. There was already someone camped there, so I opted to pitch my tent on the narrow neck of land connecting the 2 ends of the key. The 3AM high tide came up to within 5 feet of my eastern door, 3 feet of my western door.... I dreamed of tidal waves. Sandy Key, right next door, is a bird sanctuary. Roseate spoonbills fly overhead, going about their spoonbill business all day.

The day of my return to Flamingo was the first windless day of the trip. The tide and an imagined breath of air kept me moving over the polished surface of Florida Bay toward Flamingo at 1.5 kts. The stillness was magical. I kept hearing splashes – pelicans diving? Dolphins surfacing? Nessie on a Florida vacation? When I would turn to look for the source of the sound, there was nothing – no dolphins, no Nessie, just pelicans sitting innocently on the water in the distance. Eerie. Then I watched a pelican rise up into the air, take aim, and hurl itself soundlessly into the Bay. The bird had bobbed back up and was serenely munching on its catch before the noise of the splash made its way over the shiny water to my ears. Too cool!

AnnD

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (7 of 33), Read 345 times
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 07:00 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

Fabulous report and photos Ann......what an
adventurer you are. You really captured the
solitude of your experience and the beauty of the
places.
Did you see much in the way of other kayakers?
I have to ask....which GPS do you have, and what
kind and model of camera?
David in Santa Monica
Aleut Exp (yes, yours) and Aleut

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (8 of 33), Read 352 times
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 07:13 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Wow. Another terrific Ann adventure.

Carl Ross Key looked like an outrageous spot to camp ... and exposed! What a great bunch of photos, too!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (9 of 33), Read 336 times
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 08:28 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/7/04 7:00:00 PM, PADDLE2 wrote:

>Did you see much in the way of
>other kayakers?

Not a lot. On the beaches, sometimes I knew I had neighbors from the bonfire smoke and flashlight beams in the distance, but the sand stretches out literally for miles along both sides of the capes, so you can easily find your very own private domain. On Northwest Cape Beach, one passing kayaker invited me over for hors d'oeuvres, but I didn't have the time -- spent the evening in mortal combat with various intruders in my tent -- one whopper of the 8-legged variety, and several hundred of the blood-thirsty winged type. Long story.

On the inside, I only came across about 1 boat per day, except when my route took me near the Wilderness Waterway that leads from Flamingo to Everglades City. I chose only single chickees; probably would have had more encounters if I'd gone for the doubles.

>I have to ask....which GPS do
>you have?
Garmin Map76. I love it. Tried an Etrex Vista, but I like this better. Larger screen, simpler, does the job.

> and what
>kind and model of camera?
Olympus "D-520Zoom", 2.0 Megapixels. I'm in the market for something waterproof. I had to pass up some of the best shots. Like the one where I was skidding downwind in 2-ft waves, foolishly unreefed, and drove the bow into the water up to the washboards....

>David in Santa Monica
>Aleut Exp (yes, yours)
Hi, Sir Lance!
> and Aleut
Welcome, new kid!

AnnD

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (10 of 33), Read 329 times
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 08:35 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 3/7/04 8:28:00 PM, AnnD wrote:

>Olympus "D-520Zoom", 2.0 Megapixels.
>I'm in the market for something
>waterproof.

Ann. I've got that camera. I keep it on deck in a Pelican MicroCase Model 1020, clipped to a deck line. Very quick to extract, focus, and return, without any other hassles. Case is very small so I can easily fit it to whatever niche is handy otherwise.

Olympus makes a Stylus 300 digital now that is weatherproof, at 3.2 Mpixels, which would fit into the same case. Better water protection, but not totally waterproof.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (11 of 33), Read 331 times
Date: Sunday, March 07, 2004 08:59 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Wow, Ann, What a great trip around the swamp! Made for terrific reading...as if we were there also. Pictures told the story and were swell to see. Thanks for sharing your adventure!
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (12 of 33), Read 316 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 05:54 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Not only an adventurer .. but quite a writer.. Very much enjoyed the tale of events and photos.
I read each word and viewed each photo with envy.. my own fault for not getting out there.. you certainly drive us to extend our limits..
I read of no equipment failures and felt some of your enjoyment through your words..
Keep 'em coming Ms. Ann.....
I'm your biggest fan..
Wifey read it all with me.. she's excited more with each story..


cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (13 of 33), Read 321 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:07 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/8/04 5:54:00 AM, cliffy wrote:
> equipment failures....

Just a couple. I cracked the Balogh mast partner by failing to reef when I should have(had to test the limits of the rig, dontcha know (:>)), but it held up until I got home.

And I left behind the pin that holds the leeboard to the aka. I didn't discover that until I rigged the sail for the first time 3 miles into the trip, having paddled all of boring, windless Buttonwood Canal into Coot Bay before I found a breeze. No way was I paddling back for a scrap of metal. I ripped the pin out of a carabiner and stuck that in the top hole. It didn't reach to the bottom hole, but it held for the whole trip. In case it failed, I kept a spare Folbot T-bolt in my pocket.

I thanked Sailboy daily for the hand-steering-line idea. I didn't use it much, but it sure was reassuring to have it in place as a backup system. Crawling onto the rear deck in 20-kt winds to fix a broken rudder fitting would not have been fun. Besides, there would have been no one there to take a picture of me clinging cowboy-style to the wave-washed gear-filled deck, so what would have been the point??

AnnD

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (14 of 33), Read 322 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:24 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Cliffy, You are so right about AnnD's description of her travels! I think it's time for the "HARDCOVER" version to hit the book stores. "The Adventures of AnnD, Queen of Hypalon", coming soon to book stores near you. A compelling true adventure tale, told by the adventurer in her own words. Whaddya think??
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (15 of 33), Read 323 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:41 AM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

Really enjoyed the tale Ann! Thanks for the writing!

pk

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (16 of 33), Read 321 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:45 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Ann,

What a great trip. Thanks for sharing.

I must tell you I laughed very hard at your mud adventure. I grew up in an area that had "sticky mud" and have fallen over several times. I never understood why people would intentionally take a "mud" bath. I have also lost shoes, boots, and sandals in the mud.

What fun.

Tom

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (17 of 33), Read 328 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:56 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Tom's salute to mud rang bells (splatted gunk?) for me, also. Willapa Bay, just north of here, is famous for thigh-deep muck, and has claimed more than one life as the tide rose.

Oh, for a photo of Ann slithering across the flats!

Ah, now I know why she does these trips solo: no companions to take embarrassing photos!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (18 of 33), Read 302 times
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 05:28 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I suppose most of us would like to .. and some have .. accompanied Ms. Ann on some adventures.. but
The really good stories come from the solo adventures.. I'll read and enjoy any of the reports.. but surely love the end reports of the long solo's....
For instance.. I remember the Whirlwind attacks.. the un-invited camp partner (brown snake).. the Pecan pie thief (from an accompanied trip), the pictures of the sharks fin and tail.. yeah.. theres' lots.. and all fun to read.. I wanna do the same stuff...... (1st class wanna-be).. but til then.. WRITE THE BOOK..
I'll be the first customer..!
Ya'll just need a chapter for each outing.. pictures of course.. and an artist to render some cute cartoons of the "Mud like" events.. I can almost see 'em..
wish I could draw..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (19 of 33), Read 305 times
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 07:41 AM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

Kind of the Sue Hubbel of the kayak crowd!

pk

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (20 of 33), Read 270 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 07:35 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Just wish I had her spirit of adventure and guts to get out there..
what Im missing is beyond imagination..
you go girl..

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (21 of 33), Read 264 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:49 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/10/04 7:35:00 AM, cliffy wrote:
>Just wish I had her spirit of
>adventure and guts to get out
>there..

Thing is -- it's really not all that far out there. Other folks do way more adventurous things.

This is an established water trail, in an adhoc, cobble-your-own-route-together sort of a way. Boats pass by and wave. Rangers come to check your permits. Map, compass, GPS, water, a few pounds of M&Ms, and you're all set.

I'll post this in the Flamingo Flotilla conference too, but it fits here -- a few of us at the Flotilla were thinking that next year, after the "regular" flotilla (base-camped at Flamingo, day trips, short overnights, popcorn socials, restaurant brunches...), it might be fun to tack on an extended back-country trip. A Flamingo-to-Flamingo inside-outside loop, or up-the-coast-and-back beach-and-key-hopping, or the whole Flamingo-to-Everglades-City Wilderness Waterway. Any or all of the above.... Just a thought....

AnnD

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (22 of 33), Read 260 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 02:55 PM
Author:Doctor Al
Email:dralbertlee@earthlink.net

Ann,

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (23 of 33), Read 265 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:25 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/9/04 7:41:00 AM, pk wrote:
>Kind of the Sue Hubbel of the
>kayak crowd!
OK, pk, gotta ask -- who is Sue Hubbel? Knowing a bit about your hobbies, I'm guessing: a woman who travels the world in search of dancing bumblebees. Wherever she finds them, she pauses to accompany them on her bagpipes. And then writes a book about it. Am I close?
AnnD

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (24 of 33), Read 266 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:41 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Maybe this Sue Hubbel?

"Hubbel, Sue. Broadsides of the Other Orders. Insects are, as E. O. Wilson says, "the little things that run the earth." Each is unique. Hubbell mixes science and poetry as only she can to bring insects from every order to life: butterflies, midges, gnats, ladybugs, longlegs, flies, bees, silverfish, katydids, dragonflies, crickets. It's essential reading if you want to know who is really running the earth."

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (25 of 33), Read 269 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:10 AM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

Sorry, didn't mean to make such a vague reference.....

A Country Year : Living the Questions
by Sue Hubbell, among many other titles... independent female type... maybe more with the land than the water - got me interested in bees and paying more attention to the little changes around me, no bagpipes though....

good one dave

pk

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (26 of 33), Read 272 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:17 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

pk,

Didn't she write a book about bees My fiance and I were puzzling over that at lunch. I think I read one of hers, and liked it.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Day 10: Carl Ross Key -- best for last (27 of 33), Read 271 times
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:40 PM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

yeah - the title has changed a few time - don't know why. Read it about '96 or so under the title "The Queen Must Die". That was the first of hers I read. The Country Year was earlier, which I read later.... found she has done a lot of stuff on bugs and nature. Simple living, self-reliance, never-ending marvel of nature, etc....

pk

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (28 of 33), Read 231 times
Date: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:10 PM
Author:jbcoleman
Email:jbcoleman@hotmail.com

Ann, What model folbot are you using. Is it a double, if so are you sailing from the front seat? Does the metal keel strip come on your boat or did you add it? Thanks John 65'TSK

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (29 of 33), Read 206 times
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2004 03:28 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/14/04 12:10:00 PM, jbcoleman wrote:
>Ann, What model folbot are you
>using. Is it a double, if so
>are you sailing from the front
>seat? Does the metal keel
>strip come on your boat or did
>you add it?

Hi, John,

Hazel is a double, a '98 Greenland II, which I sail from the solo seating position (sort of mid-way between the front and rear seats). I'm using the "new" Folbot rudder pedals that swivel around the mast, so I have to sit within a leg's length of the mast.

The metal keel strips along the bow and stern are come standard on the current models, and I have it on the best authority (Mr. Phil his very own self) that the strips will not be phased out. They are 2 of my very favorite gen-u-wine Folbot parts.

AnnD

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (30 of 33), Read 203 times
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2004 08:22 PM
Author:jbcoleman
Email:jbcoleman@hotmail.com

Thanks Ann

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (31 of 33), Read 114 times
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:33 AM
Author:mn
Email:aguasol@aol.com

Ann,
Is the 38-sq-ft Balogh batwing the option from Folbot???
Very nice trip
Thank you
Milton

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (32 of 33), Read 95 times
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 04:49 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Balogh sails and rigging are only available "new" from BSD designs..
Folbot sells their own rigs and are viewable on thier home page - shopping area..

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not respecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: 100 Miles of 'Glade-Sailing (33 of 33), Read 98 times
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 01:00 PM
Author:mn
Email:aguasol@aol.com

thank you Cliffy
best regards
milton

Pics to cheer up winter folks.

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (1 of 15), Read 352 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 06:40 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net
Files:2067.JPG, 2068.JPG, 2069.JPG

I thought I would post some more pictures from
our Colorado River trip in December for those of
you who have a real winter and miss paddling.
This is just to carry you over to the spring. Being
as posting pics is new to me, this may end up with
no pics......oops!
Also I'm planning on doing the Santa Cruz Island
trip including the Painted Cave. As best as I can
see this thing is huge and completely dark inside.
Any suggestions on photographing it and
possible video?
David in Santa Monica
Aleut Exp and Aleut

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (2 of 15), Read 257 times
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 07:14 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

It seems to be working and I am thrilled...... some
more pics.
If you find I sending them and it requires to much
memory please let me know.........
David

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (3 of 15), Read 258 times
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 07:16 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

None that time as it was way to many bytes. Try
again.
david

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (4 of 15), Read 259 times
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 07:17 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net


Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (5 of 15), Read 261 times
Date: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 07:19 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

Now it won't accept the pic sizes....trying to figure
this out.
David

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (6 of 15), Read 246 times
Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 06:51 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Open the pics on your "Microsoft Paint" program.. and re-save 'em.. they'll be smaller sized..
if a little slide bar comes up.. asking how much percentage of save you want.. run it low.. it'll still be good sized.. but reduces pixel count.. not photo contest winning .. but it'lldo for internet use..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (7 of 15), Read 248 times
Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 06:55 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Beautiful place by the way.. add a camp spot to it.. and "WOW"........

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (8 of 15), Read 236 times
Date: Thursday, March 04, 2004 06:18 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

Thanks guys for all the suggestions to help me
post my pics.....I am working on it and will
probably resolve my issues, and if not Dave
Kruger has offered to do it for me. Very nice.
Though I intend to figure this thing out.....the other
thing is I am working on a Mac G4 so most of your
solutions do not fit, thought appreciated.
Thought: if Ann gets an Edisto what will she call
it? Eddie Edisto!
David in Santa Monica
Aleut Exp and Aleut

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (9 of 15), Read 231 times
Date: Friday, March 05, 2004 09:03 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Oops.... sorry.. didn't know the Mac issue.
That Mac oughta solve most problems for you anyway.. good stuff..
cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (10 of 15), Read 203 times
Date: Saturday, March 06, 2004 04:35 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

On 3/4/04 6:18:00 PM, PADDLE2 wrote:
> ..... I am working on a Mac G4 so most of your solutions do not fit, .....

On any Mac you can change the picture size in Graphic Converter, Apple or Claris Works, or almost any graphics program you have. Good luck! :)

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (11 of 15), Read 202 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 09:21 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net
Files:2070.JPG

Thanks for trying.
We had another 2 feet of snow yesterday.

Pic from my office window this am.

Haith

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (12 of 15), Read 209 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 09:24 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net
Files:2071.JPG

And from outside that window.

Help!

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (13 of 15), Read 216 times
Date: Monday, March 08, 2004 09:30 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Soooo, I take it you're NOT going boating today? Maybe tomorrow conditions will be more kayak friendly :>)
Pete
Blue Sporty, Green Greenland II EXP

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (14 of 15), Read 199 times
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 05:32 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

oooooh. .. I can almost feel the cabin fever taking over..
When in North Dakota.. I always braved the cold and went out and had what fun I could no mater what the conditions. but that's deep enough to stop the heartiest..
Brrrrrgh..

cliffy

Knowing your limitations is good..
not repecting them is certainly funny to anybody watching.

Subject: Pics to cheer up winter folks. (15 of 15), Read 143 times
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2004 03:49 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/4/04 6:18:00 PM, PADDLE2 wrote:
>Thought: if Ann gets an Edisto
>what will she call
>it? Eddie Edisto!

Nope, I believe "Eddy" is taken, and a peach of a name it is! But my next boat shall be called "Winnifred". As in, "Winnifred, Winnifred, girl of the swamps..." (Think Carol Burnett tossing and turning atop 20 mattresses...)

I love your photos, David. Happy memories! We've got to do that again!

AnnD

Folbot at USCA Nationals

Subject: Folbot at USCA Nationals (1 of 1), Read 141 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 08:18 PM
Author:kinzuayak
Email:rposche@kinzua.net
Files:2072.JPG

Hope I finally figured out how to post this. Picture was too big at original try.

Volunteered to do the sweep for the United States Canoe and Kayak Association National Championship Race in Warren last Summer. Did it all three days on the Allegheny River from Kinzua Dam to a little west of Warren, Pa., where I live. About ten miles. Had a great time even though I was not actually a competitor. The USCA usually only returns to the same site about once every 5-6 years. They've already announced that they are coming back to Warren in 2005 because they liked the site so much. Hope to be a Folbot presence then as well.
Ron

Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers

Subject: Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers (1 of 6), Read 244 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 08:25 PM
Author:lwhited
Email:lwhited1@msn.com
Files:2073.JPG, 2074.JPG

YukonGold sits on Anclote Key, off Tarpon Springs, FL. Custom Spray deck uses velcro ties around mast and thwart tangs for a dry fit under the thwart

Subject: Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers (2 of 6), Read 188 times
Date: Thursday, February 05, 2004 05:44 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Nice installation Larry, did you do the custom sewing. I keep thinking you can't be a sailboy without a sewing machine. Makes me wish I had endured the ribbing and taken lessons in grade school.

And hey, point that beauty south and come on down to Mullet Key on March 6. We're sailing to Placida. There will be a bunch of skinny yakers sticking down the ditch. Makani (wind), my phat G2 is going offshore.
All in good fun,
Sailboy

Subject: Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers (3 of 6), Read 184 times
Date: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:57 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Larry,

That looks great!

Tom

Subject: Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers (4 of 6), Read 137 times
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2004 01:25 AM
Author:lwhited
Email:lwhited1@msn.com

hey, thanks, wish I could but my work has me busy right now. How some of you can make it to the Cedar Key small boat messabout. I have a grand time every year. It is always the first weekend in May, this year may 1 and 2. There are usually 50-70 people there with small boats including kayaks, canoes; sailing and otherwise, SeaPearls and other home made boats. It's an eclectic crowd that is always entertaining. I will be going down on Tuesday and staying for a week. I'm lusting for a G2 now. Maybe someday??? The spray deck was modified by a friend who has professional equipment and does it on the side. He would be glad to do the modification for anyone. I thought it was very reasonable at $35 for the job. Let me know if anyone wants to do the mod and I will put you in touch.
Larry Whited
Atlanta, GA

Subject: Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers (5 of 6), Read 148 times
Date: Saturday, February 07, 2004 07:26 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Now that's a beautiful rig -- seamanlike and beautiful.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Sailing Yukon with BOSS outriggers (6 of 6), Read 60 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, May 17, 2004 09:14 AM
Author:lwhited
Email:lwhited1@msn.com
Files:2075.JPG

A sailing picture of Yukon Gold.

Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida

Subject: Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida (1 of 6), Read 172 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2004 02:56 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2076.JPG, 2077.JPG, 2078.JPG, 2079.JPG, 2080.JPG

Took my 7 year old out today for a beautiful trip down the spring fed Blue Run which is 7 miles long downstream. My Son is finally able to "tow the line" now since he can handle the Folbot 8ft. paddle without hitting me or himself. 72 degree air temperature today, 72 degree (constant) water temp = awesome day.

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida (2 of 6), Read 148 times
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2004 03:10 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

That looks real inviting, Tsquare! We're supposed to get an ice storm up here starting at midnight and lasting all day tomorrow. They're forecasting 1/2 - 1" of ICE before snow on Monday!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida (3 of 6), Read 143 times
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 05:49 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

could I beg for more info on that location.?
camping, where I might find it??, etc..
Sure is pretty, !!!!!!!
cliffy

Subject: Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida (4 of 6), Read 132 times
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 04:38 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

Here is the State Park web page:
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/springs/locator/Rainbow.htm

Rainbow Springs State Campground is about 2 miles downstream from the State Park head spring. It has great river access. I haven't stayed there since I live about 1/2 mile away = not much different than my backyard. Hope this helps.

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida (5 of 6), Read 123 times
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 09:08 PM
Author:seaswol
Email:seaswol@cox.net

We stayed at that campground - nice but fairly busy in February, water, electric a few waste water hookups.
Chris - Pensacola

Subject: Blue Run - Dunnellon Florida (6 of 6), Read 128 times
Date: Monday, January 26, 2004 06:18 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Thank you so much..!! looks interesting.. theres a good many good sites in florida, and I'd surely like to have a few in the records for future trips..
thanks again..!!
cliffy

New Zealand pics

Subject: New Zealand pics (1 of 12), Read 220 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 03:55 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu
Files:2081.JPG, 2082.JPG, 2083.JPG, 2084.JPG

Hi everyone,

Just want to share some pictures from my past trip --

We just got married last month, and my wife and I took our honeymoon to New Zealand.  I considered dragging the GII along, but instead took several paddles using available boats there. New Zealand has so many lakes and rivers, you could spend forever exploring.

I bought a Kodak digital camera before the trip: Kodak Easyshare DX6340, 3.1 MP. We took almost 400 pictures, about 300 Mbytes.  Saw the recent discussion about cameras and see nobody mentioned this one.  It works quite well, and I'm happy with it. The two main drawbacks are: automatic lens cover sometimes doesn't open or close when you turn the camera on or off, and the mode-selection wheel doubles as the on/off switch.

I also bought a tiny tripod, and used it (legs closed) and a big rubber band to attach the camera to the end of the paddle.  Using the timer on the camera, I was able to take a few shots of the two of us in the boat.  (Don't try that in rough water!)

The first picture is from Lake Rotoiti, New Zealand.  We stayed in a campground (they have furnished cabins) and had a hardshell available.

Pictures 2, 3 and 4 are on the Grove Arm of Queen Charlotte Sound, west of Picton (Picton is the ferry terminal city on the north of the south island.) You can view a Map here .  We were paddling about where the word "Grove" appears in the lower left corner, and the word "Grove" covers half a mile, so you can see how huge the area is.

The shags are sea birds.  The school of jellyfish gave the water a pink hue -- that is the camera reflection on the water at the bottom of the picture.

Subject: New Zealand pics (2 of 12), Read 190 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 03:59 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu
Files:2085.JPG

Ok, last picture -- about my favorite landscape from New Zealand.  On Christmas day, we were driving from Queenstown to Milford Sound, and came upon these pastures just full of multicolored lupine.  Between Te Anau and Milford Sound, there were a number of places with these views.

If anyone wants the full size picture (it makes a great "desktop" background), let me know and I'll send it (796K).

Subject: New Zealand pics (3 of 12), Read 187 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 04:24 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Super photos, Steve. Any gnarly weather?

BTW, "shag" is in common usage around here, also, in the sense of "cormorant" and not in the British sense of what is done to make babies. [grin]

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: New Zealand pics (4 of 12), Read 179 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 07:28 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Neat pictures, Steve. Congratulations on the great honeymoon!
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: New Zealand pics (5 of 12), Read 168 times
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 06:41 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Congratulations Steve! The trip looks fabulous.
mike v

Subject: New Zealand pics (6 of 12), Read 170 times
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 07:23 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

congrats also Steve.. I can recommend it.. nearly 32 years with the same one...
got her fooled 'eh..ha..
Great trip looks like. smiles, great locale.. good company.. boats..it's all there..
wishes for many year of bliss..!!!!

cliffy

Subject: New Zealand pics (7 of 12), Read 170 times
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 07:34 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Congrats on your wedding and honeymoon.
I love the camera on the paddle shots...great idea...will try that as soon as the water thaws...in May :-)
Haith

Subject: New Zealand pics (8 of 12), Read 174 times
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 07:40 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Steve,

What a great trip.

I will have to think about your paddle shot method.

Excellent way to spend some time on a honey moon.

Tom

Subject: New Zealand pics (9 of 12), Read 161 times
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 04:37 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu

On 1/23/04 7:34:00 AM, Haith wrote:
> I love the camera on the paddle shots...great
> idea...will try that as soon as the water thaws...in May >:-)
>Haith

Well, while you are waiting for spring, maybe you can get yourself a little tripod to use.

Here is a link for small tripods that REI has. These are good -- I have the 'Ultrapod', but forgot to pack it for the trip. The little velcro strap should have worked holding it onto the paddle.

But instead, I took along one like the "Q-pod", and used a big rubber band to attach it to the paddle. But I had to separate the two paddle parts and use the round part.

Now that Ultraclamp one would work great on a paddle blade. You could use the full paddle length, and therefore have better control. Too bad it is so pricey.

Steve

Subject: New Zealand pics (10 of 12), Read 161 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 04:21 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu
Files:2086.JPG, 2087.JPG, 2088.JPG, 2089.JPG

On 1/22/04 4:24:00 PM, davekru wrote:
> Super photos, Steve. Any gnarly weather?

Heh heh... Gnarly!

The south island is known for its high mountains and glaciers. All we saw was about the lower 1000 ft. of the mountains, since the last week there, it was rainy and overcast. At least I saw the tongue of the glaciers. Our last day was on a boat on Milford Sound -- a fjord in the south. When I signed up for that part of the trip, they included kayaking on the Sound as one of the planned activities.

Unfortunately, the morning we were supposed to be kayaking, it was blowing and raining. So we just cruised the Sound in the warmth and protection of the big boat, and took pictures. So here are some for you.

In the three "windblown" pics, notice that the waterfalls are being blown so hard that they don't reach bottom. And look at those waves! ...oh yeah, Dave, I almost forgot... you thrive in that kind of weather ;-)

Steve

Subject: New Zealand pics (11 of 12), Read 158 times
Date: Friday, January 23, 2004 06:59 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/23/04 4:21:00 PM, steve cosner wrote:

>Unfortunately, the morning we were supposed to be kayaking, it was blowing
>and raining. [snip]
>In the three "windblown" pics, notice that the waterfalls are being blown so
>hard that they don't reach bottom.

Oof. That's nasty weather. The first windblown photo shows some nasty seas, with I'd guess 20 knots of wind, based on the chop. I would not want to paddle in those conditions. A good day to be inside a tour boat ... a large one!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: New Zealand pics (12 of 12), Read 152 times
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2004 09:20 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Steve,

Love the waterfall shots.

Looks like its time to hoist the sails.

I agree with Dave, it looks a little much for casual paddling.

Tom

Block Island, Rhode Island

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (1 of 11), Read 149 times
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 08:18 PM
Author:steinig
Email:chrisfolbot@steinig.com

Here are a couple pictures from the tiny Island of Block Island off the coast of Rhode Island. I took my Greenland II and paddled a bit in some of the ponds and lakes on the Island.





-chris

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (2 of 11), Read 114 times
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 09:42 PM
Author:seaswol
Email:seaswol@cox.net

Do these photos depict a "January thaw"?? Always loved Leaving Pt. Judith then rent bikes once on the island, just another world!! Then a great seafood feast back at Pt. Judith.
Chris - Pensacola

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (3 of 11), Read 118 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 04:50 AM
Author:steinig
Email:chrisfolbot@steinig.com

These pictures were taken back in September 2003. It's still pretty darn cold in the northeast.

I visited the Island with my family for my Sisters wedding. My sister and her maid of honor are in the rental kayak in the first picture and the second picture shows my father paddling as I lounge around in the back taking pictures...

It's a great little island for Kayaking in and around as well as a nice place to spend a weekend. Very typical New England charm.

-chris

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (4 of 11), Read 120 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 04:51 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Nice pics!
What kind of birds are they? They look big.
Water is currently quite hard around here, with nightly temps dipping to around - 15 celcius.

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (5 of 11), Read 121 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 06:13 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/22/04 4:51:00 AM, Haith wrote:

>What kind of birds are they?

Cormorants? They look like a sculpture to me.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (6 of 11), Read 119 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 08:12 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

On 1/22/04 6:13:00 AM, davekru wrote:
>Cormorants? They look like a sculpture
>to me.

Ya they do look like a sculpture I agree, hard to tell from the lighting.

We do have cormorants up thisaway but they don't look like that.




Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (7 of 11), Read 119 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 08:58 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Some of our cormorants look like those -- they are pretty big here.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (8 of 11), Read 99 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 04:49 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Where are the pictures? The posts appear, but no pictures. Can using Mozilla as a browser have anything to do with this?

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (9 of 11), Read 105 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 06:34 PM
Author:steinig
Email:chrisfolbot@steinig.com

I believe the birds are Double-Crested or Great Cormorants. Those species are found on the island. They're sitting on an old rusted metal dock of some kind. I believe it's part of the old ferry landing. The ferry now lands in a different harbor. I'm not sure why you wouldn't see the pictures, try these links: picture one picture two

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (10 of 11), Read 96 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 08:26 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/22/04 4:49:00 PM, Red October wrote:

>Where are the pictures? The posts appear, but no pictures.
>Can using Mozilla as a browser have anything to do with this?

Maybe. They come up in Internet Explorer.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Block Island, Rhode Island (11 of 11), Read 96 times
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:08 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

I wonder if Mozilla has a setting somewhere that enables or disables embedded links to pictures or files on another site. These pictures are placed as links to his Comcast photo storage area. They should be readable from any browser.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Tomoka River - Florida

Subject: Tomoka River - Florida (1 of 6), Read 215 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 04:59 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2090.JPG, 2091.JPG, 2092.JPG, 2093.JPG

Went tent camping over New Year's Holiday at Tomoka State Park in Ormond Beach (5 miles north of Daytona) Florida. The weather was perfect (high 73, low 55). The pic of the Indian statue/monument is of Chief Tomokie who was a Seminole leader on Tomoka Island before us good ole' white people pushed him down to south Florida to die in the mangroves. Kayaking pic is from the Tomoka River which is a salt, intercoastal marsh with many islands/oysters. Spent our afternoons on nearby Ormond Beach - very nice, but 65 degree water. Saw many dangerous Portuguese Man-o-War jellyfish - no one got stung. Pic of kids in front of giant live oak tree is the Fairchild Oak at nearby Bulow Sugarmill Plantation which is minimally 800 years old but may be 2000 years old!

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Tomoka River - Florida (2 of 6), Read 160 times
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 06:25 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Great pictures Mike. I love the one with the mob in the G2. Phil Cotton needs to make a 4 seater Folbot!...ha! Sounds like you had a wonderful time.....great!
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: Tomoka River - Florida (3 of 6), Read 163 times
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 06:21 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty place Mike....a couple questions about the campground.. since I was thinking of over nighting on the way down to Flamingo at that location..
are the overly full this time of year. .. reservations.??? etc..
and was launching easy from campground, or did you have to haul a bit to get to the water..??
any info appreciated.??
cliffy

Subject: Tomoka River - Florida (4 of 6), Read 158 times
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 03:13 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

Cliffy,

Tomoka State Park phone is (386)676-4050. The web page is : http://www.floridastateparks.org/tomoka/default.asp

The campground has 100 sites (somewhat close together) however, they recommend making reservations with Reserve America (which is what I did). All the sites are good, but the ones on the East side of the campground are the best (1-50). Each site has picnic table, fire grate, and water spigot. There are (3) comfort stations with hot showers and flushing toilets. It's a good +1/2 mile to the very nice boat launch which is in the confines of the State Park, but you will have to drive (dirt road). Hope this helps. If not write me with additional questions.

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Tomoka River - Florida (5 of 6), Read 148 times
Date: Thursday, January 08, 2004 06:40 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

That's the info that I was hoping to get.. it's to be just a stopover on the way down... but may have more time on the way back.. and need some good escape sites... that should be about 8 hours from here.. give or take.. pulling a camper that's enough.. when not .. it's still enough. ha.
I used to go 13 hours.. now.. I'm less endurance minded.. (:>)
cliffy

Subject: Tomoka River - Florida (6 of 6), Read 121 times
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2004 04:37 PM
Author:LHO39
Email:lho39@yahoo.com

Tomoka State Park gets VERY full for a couple weeks for motorcycles (Bike Week) and then for The 500 (Race Week). Check when those events are. For sure get reservations if you want a spot during those times. Incidentally a nice paddle is to drive south to Sanchez, turn right to the park at the end of the road. Paddle the Sanchez River north and it comes out at the Tomoko boat launch and snack bar where the nice people have tasty food.

Larry

No Topic

Subject: No Topic (1 of 5), Read 115 times
Date: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:10 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net

thanks for all the information on the compass versus the gps. it pretty much follows my own opinions on having a backup and not just counting on one mode of navigation. gps transmission does sometime go out for no particular reason as i have found on cross country flights in the past. like i have always said, "there is no substitute for knowing where you are." when flying, i use a compass and gps together to verify one another. there is no more secure feeling than being a hundred miles from nowhere in the Canadian wilderness and being able to say EXACTLY where you are. believe me. kayak navigation has one big advantage over air navigation here. you don't have to worry constantly about fuel range in a kayak. as long as you don't run out of granola bars i guess. in an airplane, we are constantly running over the fuel range in our minds. you have a mark on your map at which time you are committed to continuing because you don't have enough fuel to return to your origination point. the differences between kayak navigation and air navigation are interesting to me.
the water speed feature is great and the compass is lacking in that dept. regarding the compass problems when using the vhs, have your vhs as far away from the compass as you can before transmitting. the magnetism from the transmission will alter any compass. regarding why this discussion is in the folbot photo album, i can navigate a airplane or kayak better than i can navigate a website i guess! sorry.

ps. feel free to move it to the appropriate location.............

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: No Topic (2 of 5), Read 95 times
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 07:10 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

As an ol' pilot, I can appreciate what you're saying. However, besides the fuel consideration, the other distinct advantage a kayak has (unless you're in the middle of the ocean) is the ability to stop or pull ashore and take the time to figure things out. I don't ever remember having that luxury while I was flying!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: No Topic (3 of 5), Read 93 times
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:12 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Newfolboter,

A correction:
I had anticipated the VHF radio to effect the compass while transmitting, but noticed that it also effected the compass while just turned on.

I did not think a receiver would do that, but this one does.

Tom

Subject: No Topic (4 of 5), Read 97 times
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:39 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Silverfox, the VHF radio has a speaker with a nice fat magnet in it! That's what effects the compass.
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: No Topic (5 of 5), Read 88 times
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 09:57 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Pete,

Thanks.

Tom

Comparison of Weather-Resistant Digital Cameras

Subject: Comparison of Weather-Resistant Digital Cameras (1 of 3), Read 115 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 07:45 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

One of the places I check for info on digital cameras now has a separate category for weather-resistant ones: http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras_wr.html

Some are submersible, but most are just weather-resistant and should not be dunked.

I like this guy's reviews for their uniform approach and high information content. When I have been able to compare what he says with what I have experienced with a given camera, he seems to be right on.

No affiliation, of course.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Comparison of Weather-Resistant Digital Cameras (2 of 3), Read 102 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 08:49 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Dave,

Thanks for the link.

All this talk about weather resistant cameras has got me thinking...

Tom

Subject: Comparison of Weather-Resistant Digital Cameras (3 of 3), Read 98 times
Date: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:18 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Check out the waterproof cases that Canon makes for their dig. cameras. These are custom and maintain the full function. We use the S100/case with good results and it can float in the bottom of your boat!
Sailboy

digital camera recommendations?

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (1 of 28), Read 203 times
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 04:27 PM
Author:Dave P
Email:vze24h5m@verizon.net

I've seen a lot of great pics posted, and I'd like to take pics from my Aleut. But I wouldn't dare take my 35 mm SLR (film) camera + long zoom lens anywhere near the water. One splash and it would be done for.

So I'm thinking of getting a digital camera (they're usually smaller & lighter) plus some sort of waterproof housing to protect the camera. I'd appreciate any suggestions on what to buy.

Dave P.

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (2 of 28), Read 131 times
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 04:49 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

There are a lot of digital cameras out there and it might be very difficult to sort out the really good values from the not so good.

Here are a couple in the point and shoot category, both 3.2 Megapixels. I have used a 2.0 megapixel camera and posted several photos here from it. If I were to invest now, I'd go for one of these.

Olympus Stylus 300 is new, and highly weatherproof:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/OS300/OS30A.HTM
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/stylus300.html

I've handled this one, and my son owns one. Very easy to use, and the lens seems to be very good. Tiny, so it fits easily into a small drybox.

Pentax Optio 33WR:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/optio33wr.html

This one is rated as submersible and would be a good choice for on-the-water use. No drybox needed. I believe the lens is not as fast as the Olympus 300, but check the specs.

On the drybox: Pelican has a Micro Case series that is good for small cameras such as these. The critical dimension is thickness. Their 1020 is barely deep enough to handle the Olympus 300, and seals well. I just clip the box to my deck and open it when needed. Easy and quick.

Let us know what you pick. The market changes so fast I bet you'll be an expert on cameras pretty soon!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (3 of 28), Read 129 times
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 06:02 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Both nice choices. I've been shooting with an Olympus D-490 Zoom for about four or five years and really like the Olympus. I had an Olympus OM-1, 35 mm for many years. Gave it to my Professor son-in-law to use for field work. He loves it. Got an Olympus Stylus point 'n shoot 35 mm that I used in my travels all over the world in my working years for McDonnell Douglas/Boeing. Wife has that now. My Dad had a really nice 35 mm Pentax that I inherited before he passed on and still have it, although I can't remember when I took a film picture since I got the Olympus digital. That Olympus 300 looks like it would fit nicely in a pocket like their other models and the price seems reasonable, too. Choices, choices.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (4 of 28), Read 129 times
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 07:10 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

I've been using a Kodak DX3600 and feel real lucky if the damn thing even TURNS ON!! It seems to work great in the house. If I take it outdoors, it chokes. I wouldn't recommend one of these.
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (5 of 28), Read 124 times
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 07:22 PM
Author:webkatz
Email:webkatz@webkatz.net

Just got the UW housing for my Olympus C5050 (thanks Santa!). Haven't had a chance to try it out yet underwater, but I have been very happy with the 5050 on dry land.

The housing is about $150 and is pretty big/complicated. It'll be great for what I want, but it might be a little overkill if you are just looking for a waterproof P&S.


Dave

Red Greenland II
http://webkatz.net/kayak/gII.html

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (6 of 28), Read 127 times
Date: Thursday, January 01, 2004 08:15 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/1/04 7:22:00 PM, webkatz wrote:

>Just got the UW housing for my Olympus C5050 (thanks Santa!).
>Haven't had a chance to try it out yet underwater, but I have
>been very happy with the 5050 on dry land.

Dave, I've admired your photos. Got a link to the 5050? I may be in the market for a better camera, if the bucks are right.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (7 of 28), Read 126 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 04:54 AM
Author:gooddog
Email:fruitbat54@aol.com

I've had an Olympus D-460 for a few years. This camera is pretty low resolution by current standards, with a 1.3 megapixel maximum.

I like the camera, but I'm not really in tune with digital photography yet. I use this camera mainly for snapshots that I email or post to web sites for my friends and family. I rarely make prints of any of the images due to the cost and the short life of the printer inks. I understand that there may be better printing solutions out there, but I'm not up to speed on them. I use a Cannon SLR film camera when I know I'll want prints.

For my current purposes, I don't need a high resolution digital camera. Millions of pixels just slow email and internet downloads to a crawl. The restriction on this board of a 100k file size is a good guideline for the maximum size file that's practical to transfer via a 56k connection. Unless you and the people with whom you correspond have high speed internet connections, you probably won't be emailing many high resolution photos.

With the D-460 (and perhaps others), transferring images directly from the camera to the computer is very slow. One piece of hardware that is essential for me is a USB media reader. I pop the card in the reader and upload the images from my 64 megabyte cards in seconds.

One more thing: these cameras eat batteries. You will want the rechargeable variety.

I'd be interested to learn how other people are using their digital cameras.

Lincoln Soule

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (8 of 28), Read 130 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 05:26 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Lincoln makes some good points: detailed photos are not easily transmitted via modems. I got a DSL connection a month ago (an extra $25/month), and without it, I was not happy when someone sent me a megabyte file via email.

And, uploading to a computer can be slow, depending on the link. I have an Olympus D-520, and it uploads pretty quickly to my laptop via a USB cable, but that may not be typical.

Like Lincoln, if I am taking a scenic or other special photo, I'll use a traditional film camera for the better print quality. But, for snapshots, the digital comes out, and at 2 megapixels, the quality is plenty good for internet and email use. To post here, with the 100 kB limit, I usually have to dumb the pictures down quite a bit.

For some reason, my digital does not eat batteries like his does, though. If I do not use flash or the LCD screen on the back of the camera, I can get a hundred frames or more (never been tested).

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (9 of 28), Read 129 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 07:36 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

And after all is said and done, might take just a minuet to investigate a water proof container for the camera you already have. After purchasing a digital camera, appropriate cables and download devices (USB reader), having to upgrade the computer with additional ram or bigger hard drive to accommodate the files and programs to "adjust" photos (programs that end up being an additional purchase) or an additional storage device just to store all the photos (and it seems none ever get deleted just because there is that off chance...), and lastly the printer and cables for hard copies. The cost of getting that water proof case for the ol 35 might just do the trick for a bit longer. But wait! If you really are a photo kind of person then disregard my tantrum, nothing I pointed out will mean diddly.
mike v

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (10 of 28), Read 128 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 08:06 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Mike,

And don't forget the scanner you'll need to translate those prints from the 35 mm SLR into Web-ready puppies!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (11 of 28), Read 130 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 08:18 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Dang! someone else paying attention. Well I expect that a 70 buck scanner and cable is still cheaper than all the other gear, especially if I can get Dave to resize my pictures...
mike v

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (12 of 28), Read 130 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 08:32 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/2/04 8:18:00 AM, vennard wrote:

>Dang! someone else paying attention. Well I expect that
>a 70 buck scanner and cable is still cheaper than all the
>other gear, especially if I can get Dave to resize my
>pictures...

Gonna cost ya -- gotta pay for all that other gear I'll need. [G]

BTW, ACDSee PowerPak is only $80 through Tuesday. Easy to use image handling software, fast, and low overhead memorywise. (Way better for us knuckleheads than PhotoShop.) ACDSee:
http://www.acdsystems.com/English/Products/PowerPack/index?LAN=englishX60

No connection to ACDSee, just a happy user.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (13 of 28), Read 131 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 08:39 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Lincoln's absolutely right. When I got my Olympus D-490 digital a friend at work told me to get a 'Card Reader' to download the disk. Best advice he ever gave me. The camera came with a 16 meg card and I upgraded to a 64 meg. Can get 128 high resolution pictures on it and still have the 16 meg as a back-up. I use IrfanView (free from Tucows) to reduce the size for e-mail and posting. I've got a waterproof camera bag to take it in the boat, but you have to remove it to use it. Kinda tempting fate, especially when you hand it to somebody in another boat to take your picture! Someday, when I hit the Lotto, I'll buy a 'diving camera' and won't have to worry about it. Maybe I ought to get out my old facemask and plastic bag I used to use for taking underwater pictures when I was diving.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (14 of 28), Read 135 times
Date: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:18 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Dave P,

I won't tell you what I use on the water (I like to shoot video). I do keep my camera in a dry bag and have "learned" to keep the strap around my neck while I am using the camera. I think you move around too much in a kayak to use telephoto lenses, so I like to get up close and personal with what I am shooting. When the weather is crappy, I log memories. When there is a break in the weather, out comes the camera.

I will tell you that I have dragged my Nikon camera equipment through industrial settings that make salt water look tame. Acids, caustics, sludge, radioactive mud, rain, sand blasting areas, etc. A quick rinse after use and thoroughly drying have kept these cameras working well for the past 25 years. I have lost a few lenses. The last one was dropped 4 stories on to concrete - bummer. Dust, grit, and sand will ruin the focus adjustment on lenses as will fiberglass grinding dust. The secret is to minimize the exposure to the harsh elements. For years I have used zip lock freezer bags.

These 35mm cameras are very capable of taking quite a beating.

With that said, I think the more water resistant and dunk resistant cameras are a better choice. At least you will have one less thing to worry about at the end of the day.

Tom

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (15 of 28), Read 124 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:23 AM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net

i have had an olympus d460 for quite a while and really like it. get the nickel metal hydride (nmh) batteries. get 2 sets and you will be prepared. these batteries last quite a while for me. i don't believe they make this model (d460)now, but the d490 must be similar. the software (camedia)i received with the olympus worked fine and allows photo editing. it's pretty easy to use and photos download easily and fairly quickly. it's not water proof, but i take it and leave it inside my waterproof bag until i need it. i have found that if a camera is too valuable or delicate to take with you on a trip, it's useless. they don't do you any good at home. take care of them, but take them along. i do.

Newfolboter
'02 Greenland II exp.

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (16 of 28), Read 126 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 03:45 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/3/04 12:23:00 AM, newfolboter wrote:

>i have had an olympus d460 for quite a while and really like
>it. get the nickel metal hydride (nmh) batteries. get
>2 sets and you will be prepared. these batteries
>last quite a while for me.

I use those batteries, also, and swap sets back and forth. A set of two lasts many photos. Some of the newer cameras use more expensive Lithium-ion batteries (common for cell phones), which are more compact, but quite expensive.

My son's Olympus Stylus 300 uses a Li-ion battery, and he gets even more photos off a charge than I get off my NiMH.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (17 of 28), Read 104 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 09:27 AM
Author:Dave P
Email:vze24h5m@verizon.net

On 1/2/04 7:36:00 AM, vennard wrote:
>And after all is said and
>done, might take just a minuet
>to investigate a water proof
>container for the camera you
>already have. After
>purchasing a digital camera,
>appropriate cables and
>download devices (USB reader),
>having to upgrade the computer
>with additional ram or bigger
>hard drive to accommodate the
>files and programs to "adjust"
>photos (programs that end up
>being an additional purchase)
>or an additional storage
>device just to store all the
>photos (and it seems none ever
>get deleted just because there
>is that off chance...), and
>lastly the printer and cables
>for hard copies. The cost of
>getting that water proof case
>for the ol 35 might just do
>the trick for a bit longer.
>But wait! If you really are a
>photo kind of person then
>disregard my tantrum, nothing
>I pointed out will mean
>diddly.
>mike v

Mike,

Actually, I hadn't thought about a waterproof enclosure, so that was a good suggestion.
My PC is only a few years old, and it has plenty of disk space and RAM. Plus, I have 2 USB printers, a B/W laser and a color inkjet.
I have a CD burner, but I don't have a scanner. So, I think that all I'd need to buy would be a USB reader and perhaps some 3rd party image software (i.e. ACDSee).

I don't use my camera very much anymore. I might use it more if it were lighter. My camera bag, with camera + lenses weighs about the same as 2 64 oz. bottles of Gatorade, which is about 8 pounds total. So one of my goals is to get a lighter camera.

Dave Pollum
Aleut (anniv ed)
Northern VA


Subject: digital camera recommendations? (18 of 28), Read 110 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 10:27 AM
Author:webkatz
Email:webkatz@webkatz.net

On 1/1/04 8:15:00 PM, davekru wrote:
>Dave, I've admired your photos. Got a
>link to the 5050?

Awww shucks... thanks.

On my Dave's Geek Stuff page (http://www.webkatz.net/Dave/davesgeek.html) there is a link to the 5050 for sale on Amazon (too long/ugly a URL to post here).

It has technically been "replaced" by the 5060, but I'm not real impressed with the new camera (slower lens, proprietary battery, no SM support, etc...). My advice is to snap up a good deal on a remaining 5050 and stuff it with as much CF memory as you can afford.

Let me know if you have any other questions before you buy.

Dave

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (19 of 28), Read 107 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:15 AM
Author:pflyman
Email:pflyman@earthlink.net

There are so many digitals to choose from these days. For my Alaska trip last year, I chose the Canon Powershot S330 ELPH. It is rated as 2.1 megapixels with 3x optical zoom, stainless steel body, and is small enough to fit in your shirt pocket. I decided to wait to pruchase the waterproof housing for it. The day before Christmas last year, a friend confided that he has trashed 3 cameras in Alaska due to rain and salt water exposure. I began to regret my decision about the housing, but the next morning (Christmas), what do you suppose was waiting for me under the tree?

I love the Powershot S330! I know that 2.1 megapixels is paltry these days, but for 4x6 prints you can't tell the difference, and even 8x10 look great. Of course I would prefer 3-5 megapixels, but right now if I had a choice, I would choose a larger optical zoom over the chip. This camera is small, rugged, waterproof to 100' (with the housing) and easy to use. I bought a spare rechargeable battery and didn't use it until the last day of my trip. There is no large dock- just a small plug-in hardly larger than the batttery. I could go on and on, but a photo is worth...well you know what I mean.

Dave


Subject: digital camera recommendations? (20 of 28), Read 109 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:19 AM
Author:pflyman
Email:pflyman@earthlink.net

oops! forgot the photo!
Dave

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (21 of 28), Read 113 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:25 AM
Author:pflyman
Email:pflyman@earthlink.net

One last time- I hope

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (22 of 28), Read 99 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:02 AM
Author:Dave P
Email:vze24h5m@verizon.net

Thanks for all of the posts. I didn't expect so many speedy replies.

Yesterday, with a rough idea of what I wanted in mind, I went to Best Buy. I talked to a pretty knowledgeable sales guy, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed with the choices. However, I've narrowed it down to 3 or 4 Megapixels! ;)

I've had my SLR for many years, and I've gotten used to looking through its view-finder, which means that I'm actually looking through the camera's lens. Many of the digital cameras that I tried out at the store, have an optical viewfinder. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just not what I'm used to. And even though I have small hands, I found the Olympus 300 & 400 cameras to be almost too small.

On the web, I did find a waterproof camera case called Aquapac, which is supposedly clear enough so that pictures can be taken with the camera in the bag! It's also supposed to float, and be easy to open (unlike dry bags). I found a link to it @ outdooreyes.com, when doing a google search.

So, it's going to take me a while to figure out what I want. It took me long enough to decide the get an Aleut! ;)

I'm still open to suggestions.

Dave Pollum
Aleut (anniv ed)
northern VA




Subject: digital camera recommendations? (23 of 28), Read 98 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 11:32 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Dave,

I also initially found the Olympus 300 tiny in my hands, but adjusted to it after a while.

Re: optical viewfinder: yeah, I don't use the one on my digital camera much. In lieu, I use the LCD screen, which is equivalent to what an SLR view gives.

I don't think I'd be happy with a digital camera that did not have an LCD screen.

Good luck on your search. Too many choices!

BTW, if you get a thin camera (Olympus 300, for example), it will fit inside a small drybox, such as the Pelican Micro Case 1020, which is what I use. Pretty compact and quick on the draw.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (24 of 28), Read 100 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 02:59 PM
Author:seaswol
Email:seaswol@cox.net

The reasons that I purchased an Olympus 740 was its reasonable size and its 10X Optical zoom and runs on AA batteries. Still trying to figure out how to set the power on default image size to 640 x 480 rather than the 2160 x ????.
Chris - Pensacola

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (25 of 28), Read 96 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 06:02 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Chris, I got a bounce off your email address. Is it still valid? The following is the message I tried to send:

BEGIN
I have an Olympus 520 Zoom, and I suspect the controls are similar.

You might try this:

1. Open the lens cover (in other words, turn the camera on).

2. Hit the Menu button (on my Olympus it is the "OK" button, also). This should bring up four choices, positioned similarly to the four cursor buttons on the back of the camera.

3. Press the left cursor button on the four-button control (corresponds to a symbol that resembles a funny triangle), move selector to 640 x 480 (SQ2 on my camera) by successively pressing the up cursor button, and then press OK.

4. Close camera. Open and check in the LCD screen to see if SQ2 is displayed. If it isn't, then go to step 5.

5. Press Menu/OK, then Mode, then Setup. Is All Reset at OFF or ON? If ON, press right cursor button (right button of the four), hit that button again, and then the down cursor button, followed by OK. This should cause All Reset to read OFF. Close camera (turn it off).

6. Go to step 1 and proceed through step 4.

Hope this works.
END

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (26 of 28), Read 97 times
Date: Sunday, January 04, 2004 07:22 PM
Author:seaswol
Email:seaswol@cox.net

Heck Dave,
Obviously I can't even keep my e-mail address up to date!! BUT, I can follow great directions, and yours walked me right thru the set up. Thanks so much!!
Chris - Pensacola

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (27 of 28), Read 94 times
Date: Monday, January 05, 2004 07:08 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

On 1/4/04 10:02:00 AM, Dave P wrote:

>I've had my SLR for many
>years, and I've gotten used to
>looking through its
>view-finder, which means that
>I'm actually looking through
>the camera's lens. Many of
>the digital cameras that I
>tried out at the store, have
>an optical viewfinder. That's
>not necessarily a bad thing,
>it's just not what I'm used
>to.

Just a note to point out that one of the biggest battery drains is the LCD screen. I use it sparingly. Makes the batteries last about 3-10 times longer when I leave it off...
mike v

Subject: digital camera recommendations? (28 of 28), Read 90 times
Date: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 05:14 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

I'm currently very happy with my Olympus Stylus 300 with 64 meg card. Biggest plus for me is the "weather-proof" capability and gaskets on the exterior openings on the camera. Learned this the hard way after accidently getting another brand of digital camera only slightly wet when it stopped working!

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

December Paddle on Merwin

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (1 of 8), Read 264 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2003 09:35 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2094.JPG, 2095.JPG, 2096.JPG, 2097.JPG

I love paddling this time of the year in the Northwest, the Seadoos and ski boats are all tucked away for the winter. On 12/18 went up to Merwin Reservoir in southern Washington. This is a very large lake on the Lewis river about 10 miles long and over 4000 surface acres. I planed a paddle to take us from Speelyai Bay to the far upper end where Canyon creek enters, about 8 to 9 miles total. My paddle buddy and I set off in the GII and explored the upper end of the Speelyai Bay where there is a hatchery (pictures) that produces Spring Chinook and Coho salmon. There are a lot of kokanee (land locked Sockeye) in the lake also.

We then set off for the upper end of the main reservoir and faced a 10 MPH wind out of the east. Once we made the upper end where it narrows it is pretty well protected and almost calm. Got some good pictures of falls and the bridge. On the top of one of the vertical supports of the bridge on the left side you can see a clump that is an Osprey eagle nest.

Once at the end of the main channel a ¾ mile paddle up the narrow gorge took us to where Canyon Creek enters (picture). Canyon Creek is rated one of the top white water runs in the Northwest. Saw some Osprey eagles up there and had just a magnificent day.

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (2 of 8), Read 206 times
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 05:36 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty place..
lemme just sit and enjoy the pics.. and keep 'em coming.. I need 'em now..
cliffy

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (3 of 8), Read 199 times
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:37 PM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Mark,

It looks like it was a great trip. A 10 mph wind is enough to sail in...

Tom

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (4 of 8), Read 189 times
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 01:09 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Yes, 10 mph is enough to sail in -- downwind, with the umbrella, too. Lovely pictures.

Question: How do you get the board to post those over 100 Kb pictures? I had one that was 99 point something, and it wouldn't post because it was over the 100,000 byte limit.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (5 of 8), Read 189 times
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 04:38 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but the limit is higher on the Photo Album Conference. I still recommend using something like IrfanView to resize to about 640 X 480. Makes it much easier for the folks who are stuck with dial-up connections.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!!

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (6 of 8), Read 156 times
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2003 09:51 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Beautiful pictures Mark! I can't seem to
find this place on my map. Can you locate
it for me?
Thanks,
Dick Chandler

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (7 of 8), Read 154 times
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2003 01:02 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 12/27/03 9:51:00 AM, geezerfloat wrote:

>Beautiful pictures Mark! I can't seem to
>find this place on my map. Can you locate
>it for me?

Dick, it is a ways up the Lewis River, off the Columbia.

Here is a link with photos:
http://www.lewisriver.com/merwin.html

And one on its location:
http://www.washingtonlakes.com/TopoMaps/MerwinLaketopoClark.htm

And another with a sketch map:
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Maps/map_msh_hydro_features.html

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: December Paddle on Merwin (8 of 8), Read 150 times
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2003 07:23 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Thanks Dave,
I found it. That'll be on my list for future
trips.
Dick Chandler,
Alturas, Ca

Lake Cowichan motoring

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (1 of 16), Read 332 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 08:23 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker
Files:2098.JPG

Catch me if you can.

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (2 of 16), Read 205 times
Date: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 08:47 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Is that a Kodiak, Aleut, or what?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (3 of 16), Read 207 times
Date: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 09:15 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

It's a G2, the long lens and point of view compress the picture.

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (4 of 16), Read 217 times
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 06:44 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

yeah.. the zipper covers give it away..
Kodiaks.. just half covers.. G2 full length..
I'm assuming that's a "Go-devil" engine.. is it a very noisey engine.?? most of the small ones are.. but not familiar with "Go-devils"..
Nice looking application..
cliffy

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (5 of 16), Read 217 times
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 08:04 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

EEEE.....whoopa, whoopa, whoopa.
Registration and drivers license please sir. ...No sir, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Sailboy

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (6 of 16), Read 194 times
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 08:19 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

Hi,
Regarding the motor (much of this was covered a year ago when I stirred up the ire of the paddle community by posting a picture of a motorized kayak) it's a Zundapp, made in Germany in 1958. I've never heard of 'go devil', is that a generic term or a brand name? Anyways, it's surprisingly quiet due to discharging exhaust underwater and muffling induction noise via a long hose and air filter. And it never fails to get shocked looks from kayakers.

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (7 of 16), Read 192 times
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2003 01:25 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I remember now.. Zundapp.. and an antique if I remember correctly..
Still . kinda cute..
rog on the registration.. be -ware.. of the laws on this.... better to be aware.. than to be a-fined.. (:>)
cliffy

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (8 of 16), Read 179 times
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2003 09:10 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Go-Devil motors are made for shallow, rock, weedy areas where you wouldn't dare take a normal outboard or a jetdrive. They range from 5.5hp Honda(92lbs) to 27 hp Kohler(195 lbs). Not exactly something you'd want hanging off the side of a Folbot. They go straight quite well, turning is a whole other ballgame and there is no reverse. www.go-devil.com has the whole blurb. We had a few come into the marina I managed last year. Interesting motors to look at and I'm sure they have their specific applications. Most of the owners had theirs for sale. I guess the novelty wore off quickly. That's my 2 cents. Hey, there's no cent sign on my keyboard!
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (9 of 16), Read 163 times
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:16 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

A nice bit of engineering but this kind of thing makes me glad we have lots of water designated "No Motors". Kayaks were meant to be paddled.

Mark

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (10 of 16), Read 154 times
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:23 AM
Author:
Email:dmaker

I like paddling as much as the next guy, but Cowichan is a MAN's lake. For paddling I use my hardshell, a vastly better boat for that sort of thing. (Oh no, we're not allowed to say that here!)

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (11 of 16), Read 154 times
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 05:49 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

On 12/17/03 12:23:00 AM, dmaker wrote:
For paddling I use
>my hardshell, a vastly better
>boat for that sort of thing.
>(Oh no, we're not allowed to
>say that here!)
***************
Yes- you are allowed- to say that here.. ha..(:>)
This is an honest forum.. no restrictions..
Individual opinions are welcome.. and you knew that.. ha.. (poke poke .. funning with ya)

but thought I'd remind folks here.. this Forum.. as told to me by Mr. Phil.. belongs to Us..
say , recommend, and pass on what you like.. it can only add to knowledge of some kind..



cliffy

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (12 of 16), Read 157 times
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 06:37 AM
Author:
Email:Anonymous

Nice set up, is the bracket an "off the shelf" or home brew? Used an outboard on my old Super a few times and it was an odd feeling at first, zipping along without my arms moving.

What I enjoy about kayaks is that they're meant for traveling- paddle, sail or engine. Check out some of J. Kissner's old photos. The most important thing is that you're having fun.
Tom
Whidbey Island, WA

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (13 of 16), Read 154 times
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 07:53 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

I've often thought it would be fun to strap a small outboard on my G II, just to feel the speed, although I have only paddled it and done a little downwind sailing.

As a double, the G II is not bad in the speed department. What it loses in swiftness due to its broad beam, it gains in less wetted area from its short length (17 ft vs 21 ft for most glass boats). We paddled a Pygmy stitch and glue double for a while (20 ft, beam a few inches less than a G II) and it was faster on flatwater, but when there was heavy water, we could make better time in the G II, because we did not have to hold back to brace or adjust our strokes.

That G II is a versatile thing ... and the sight of the Zunddap was a real treat. Give us more!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (14 of 16), Read 139 times
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:01 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

Regarding the mounting bracket, it is a modification of the factory item (shown near the top of this page: http://der.poly.bei.t-online.de/fbb-zuendapp-seitenborder.html). The factory mount is very versatile, but like a lot of 'universal' things, it can be tweaked for a specific application. The motor mounts to a round tube with swivelling clamps with four degrees of freedom that can mount to a transom, the folbot washboards, or whatever, but I wanted to come up with something specific to this boat. I don't have any picture of my setup, and my attempt at a description sounds confusing, but it amounts to an attempt to couple the three axis torques of the motor relative to the boat into the boat framework. Pitching and yawing forces are taken care of by arms on either side of the rear seat position leading from the factory clamps forward to the washboards. Roll forces are sent into brackets bolted to one of the plastic cross frames.

No tools required to mount / dismount and it won't come off or drop the motor if inverted, while still allowing the motor to be ditched after pulling a pin if it comes to that. I consider it a work in progress, but that's what projects are about.

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (15 of 16), Read 106 times
Date: Saturday, January 03, 2004 04:47 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Great Picture, may we use it, with credit of course, on our folbot.ca website?

France & Joanne
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: Lake Cowichan motoring (16 of 16), Read 92 times
Date: Monday, January 05, 2004 08:42 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

Sure, use it if you like. Photographer credit should be "Chris Smallenberg". The model is not identifiable and so I guess he doesn't need a release. Just expect to be flamed for showing a kayak and a motor in the same picture.

Intergalactic Paddle?

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (1 of 8), Read 199 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 07:19 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net
Files:2099.JPG

I was using this kayak pic to practice
manipulations with Photoshop and it
gave us a good laugh. The pic was
originally taken 2 or 3 years ago at 3
Creeks Lake in Oregon .
Cheers,
DC

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (2 of 8), Read 169 times
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 04:48 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

I remember that episode.
It's the one where Spock said paddling wasn't logical since there was nacell technology. But then Bones pointed out that by paddling they were able to sneak up on the cute little tribbles on shore. They wanted to bring a couple back as pets but we know what happened later.

The most interesting part was that Bones asked Capt. Kirk what they should do if their kayak capsized. Jim answered "Kling on and wait for rescure."

Happy Wednesday!
Haith
!V!

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (3 of 8), Read 164 times
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 09:43 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Oh-oh! Looks like "Cabin Fever" is starting early in Newfoundland!!!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (4 of 8), Read 146 times
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 07:47 PM
Author:PADDLE2
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

Holly and I thought this would make a great
personalized Christmas Card if you could print it
out.
I for one would love to see more of your creativity
with kayaks etc.
David in Santa Monica

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (5 of 8), Read 147 times
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 09:10 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Thank you for your comments David. I
doubt that this one will print very well
since it is such a low resolution. If I come
up with another I'll email you OK?
Thanks again,
Dick Chandler
Alturas, Ca

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (6 of 8), Read 150 times
Date: Thursday, December 04, 2003 06:59 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

That's a beauty, Dick. I saved it to my "Float Trips" folder and am going to send it to all my friends. Maybe I'll hear from him again,
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (7 of 8), Read 154 times
Date: Thursday, December 04, 2003 08:47 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

I'm sure you have more friends than that!
Thanks for your comments gobe,
DC

Subject: Intergalactic Paddle? (8 of 8), Read 141 times
Date: Thursday, December 04, 2003 08:42 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

On 12/3/03 4:48:00 AM, Haith wrote:
>I remember that episode.
>It's the one where Spock said
>paddling wasn't logical since
>there was nacell technology.
>But then Bones pointed out
>that by paddling they were
>able to sneak up on the cute
>little tribbles on shore.
>They wanted to bring a couple
>back as pets but we know what
>happened later.
>
>The most interesting part was
>that Bones asked Capt. Kirk
>what they should do if their
>kayak capsized. Jim answered
>"Kling on and wait for
>rescure."
>
>Happy Wednesday!
>Haith
>!V!

Yes, and then........

“Captain”.........”What is is Spock”?
“It appears that something in the water is
attacking the hypalon. I estimate we have
eleven more minutes”.

Happy Thursday!
DC

My 4th Aleut Summer

Subject: My 4th Aleut Summer (1 of 5), Read 194 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:49 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net
Files:2100.JPG, 2101.JPG, 2102.JPG, 2103.JPG

Greetings all,
This year I’ve only got pix from one
place....West valley Reservoir in Northern
Calif. Years ago I used to speed around
there in a ski boat pretending to have fun.
Last summer I slowly paddled around the
lake and actually enjoyed the peaceful
scenery.
Thank God for kayaks!
Cheers,
Dick Chandler
Alturas, Ca

Subject: My 4th Aleut Summer (2 of 5), Read 190 times
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:58 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Cool pictures, Dick.

What is the geology there? The stone monsters look granitic, but everything else looks sandstone-derived, especially the red mud.

Thanks.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: My 4th Aleut Summer (3 of 5), Read 191 times
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2003 12:06 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

I don't know anything about the
geology..........I knew someone was going
to ask that question but am not prepared
to answer. I would guess sandstone
though. There was many more monsters
and they all seemed to have "faces". It
would probably be spooky on a moonlight
paddle!
Thanks for your comments.
DC

Subject: My 4th Aleut Summer (4 of 5), Read 189 times
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2003 01:54 PM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net

Great pictures. The "shady break" evoked memories of some of my trips - made me want to stretch out and take a nap.

Paul D. Hagewood
Hillsboro, Oregon

Subject: My 4th Aleut Summer (5 of 5), Read 187 times
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2003 05:30 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Great pictures! Looks like a great place to relax if the powerboats stay home. I wonder if my Hennessy Hammock would hang in that tree for a short nap? heh heh
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Northern Lights

Subject: Northern Lights (1 of 5), Read 165 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:09 PM
Author:pogo
Email:steve@demler.com
Files:2104.JPG

The solar storms of late are making for some amazing displays that I've missed because of heavy overcast. But last night was the first clear night in quite a while here in southern Ontario.

The attached photo was taken from our back deck at about 12:30. (f2.8 at 16 seconds, ISO 100 for you photo tech fans). At one point the display reached from the northern horizon to the zenith, with about 40 degree width at the horizon.

Subject: Northern Lights (2 of 5), Read 146 times
Date: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:31 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

That's a great picture and it must have been a treat to see that night. It brought back the memory of my first encounter with the Aurora Borealis. One a.m., West of Thunder Bay on rt 11, headed for Quetico Provincial Park for a 3 week "paddle about".
The sky started to MOVE! I stopped the truck, woke up my buddies and we watched for 20 minutes. I can't believe no one took a picture! Thanks for the flick.
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Subject: Northern Lights (3 of 5), Read 147 times
Date: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:33 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Wow! That's neat. This has been a year for some interesting astrological displays.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Northern Lights (4 of 5), Read 132 times
Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 06:26 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Shame the color never shows.. I remember North Dakota days.. wow the pretty-ness of that free show..... those who haven't seen it.. -MUST- see it.... I went to take out trash late one night.. wound up wakeing the neighborhood.. no-one was mad either..
truly beautiful..!!!!!!
cliffy

Subject: Northern Lights (5 of 5), Read 132 times
Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 07:59 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

I remember seeing the 'Northern Lights' only once. I was about six years and my Dad woke me up and took me out in the front yard at our home on the south side of Chicago. The whole sky to the north was a blaze of color! It looked like colored curtains on a giant stage, swaying, as though in a light breeze, shimmering and changing colors. It was the most beautiful sight I had ever seen and has lasted throughout my lifetime!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Camper, Truck and GII

Subject: Camper, Truck and GII (1 of 6), Read 199 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 05:48 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu
Files:2105.JPG

I thought some people might like to see this setup. My wife and I spent a week in the U.P. of Michigan around the first week of October trying to catch the fall colors. While we didn't get any big paddles in, we still had fun. You will notice the "Gobe" style rack on my fiberglass tonneau cover.


mtm2525

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.

Subject: Camper, Truck and GII (2 of 6), Read 156 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 07:40 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:2106.JPG, 2107.JPG

Well, I'll be darned! It is a 'gobe' style rack. Don't ya love it? Doesn't obstruct your rear view vision and would probably support the camper, too.
Looks like you did a good job of it. Did you use 2" PVC?
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Camper, Truck and GII (3 of 6), Read 157 times
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:23 PM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

I think you've seen pictures of the rack before, you e-mailed me some larger images of your rack a few years ago and I pretty much copied it. 2" PVC and all, including the boat rollers. The only difference is I didn't drill holes in my tonneau cover, so it's easily removable. It is just held on with pressure from two straps that attach to the lip of the tonneau. You can make out one of the blue straps in the photo. It has worked very well for me and I appreciate the idea.

mtm2525

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.

Subject: Camper, Truck and GII (4 of 6), Read 158 times
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2003 01:37 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

The 'strap-on' idea is great. I had glued on some rubber stair step cover material to the bottom of the 2 by 6's to prevent marring of the tonneau cover surface. With the boat on top, it didn't shift a bit on a trial run. I did have the fore & aft cables hooked up just for safety. However, securing the rack is definitely recommended for a number of reasons. Good job.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII Exp., 2 Super TSK's, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Camper, Truck and GII (5 of 6), Read 128 times
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:29 AM
Author:BradPlatt
Email:bplatt@sjusd.k12.az.us

did you mention that the rack is made
from PVC? Could you send me
directions on how to do this? I was
thinking of welding a rack, but that might
be a bit expensive and tricky. I have a
regular 1 ton long bed, reg cab pickemup
truck.

Thanks,

Brad

Subject: Camper, Truck and GII (6 of 6), Read 116 times
Date: Friday, November 28, 2003 06:22 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Yes, it is 2" PVC. I've got some better pictures at home and I can send them later. Gobe has posted some of his rack pictures before. He is a regular on this group and would be able to help also.


mtm2525

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.

Capturing an image from video

Subject: Capturing an image from video (1 of 4), Read 112 times
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2003 07:13 PM
Author:folderfan
Email:caja@searnet.com

I have some video from a Florida trip that my wife shot. She was filming me paddling offshore and luckily managed to catch a dolphin in the background leaping 6-8 feet into the air(my guess). It would make a really neat picture. Does anyone know a way to turn it into a photo?
Folderfan

Subject: Capturing an image from video (2 of 4), Read 98 times
Date: Monday, November 17, 2003 05:50 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Sounds like you had lots of fun on your trip and got some interesting video footage. Capturing a still image from tape can be easy, but you need to have some type of computer based editing equipment. (I'm guessing it was recorded on mini-DV) If you aren't familiar with editing, it might be easier to contact a local production company, University or perhaps even a High School and ask them if they can capture the image for you. I'd be happy to help you out, but since I don't live anywhere near "Kaintuckee", it would be tough. If you can't find any resources in your area, you could mail the tape to me. Just send me an e-mail and I'll send my address.

mtm2525

You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stopped laughing.

Subject: Capturing an image from video (3 of 4), Read 101 times
Date: Monday, November 17, 2003 05:53 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Or.. ha ha.. you could make lots of copies and send us all one.. ha..
hope you can work it out.. the porpoise are a favorite part of my outings.. gotta love'em..

cliffy

Subject: Capturing an image from video (4 of 4), Read 101 times
Date: Monday, November 17, 2003 09:35 AM
Author:folderfan
Email:caja@searnet.com

Thanks for the information. I will try your suggestions and see what I come up with. When I get it done, I will post it.
Folderfan

Youngs Bay Reflections

Subject: Youngs Bay Reflections (1 of 2), Read 116 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:10 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2108.JPG, 2109.JPG, 2110.JPG, 2111.JPG

Here are a few more reflection photos from Youngs Bay paddle on Sunday November 9th.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: Youngs Bay Reflections (2 of 2), Read 102 times
Date: Monday, November 17, 2003 05:57 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I'm gonna remind Mr. Phil to take a look at these photos.. I really like "Youngsbay17".. lots of good stuff..
I'm envious as usual.. gotta get out and get some pics myself..
keep 'em coming.. loveing every minute of it..
cliffy

66 super Folbot ham radio station

Subject: 66 super Folbot ham radio station (1 of 3), Read 168 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 07:12 AM
Author:od-otter
Email:otterc@earthlink.net
Files:2112.JPG

Hi folks,
This last summer my wife and I bought and amazingly well kept 1966 super folder both for weekend exploration of our local 50,000 acre lake and to take traveling.One of my other hobbies is ham radio and I thought the two might be fun together so I found a water resistant military type portable HF ham radio set and have been having a great time talking to folks all over the world from the folbot. Just thought some of you might like to see a folbot with a ham radio set in it so heres a few photos both wit and without the radio set up.
cheers,
od-otter
aka John
Fayetteville AR,

Subject: 66 super Folbot ham radio station (2 of 3), Read 170 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 07:30 AM
Author:od-otter
Email:otterc@earthlink.net
Files:2113.JPG, 2114.JPG

still new to this type of forum trying to figure out how to post more than 1 photo per post :-)

od-otter

Subject: 66 super Folbot ham radio station (3 of 3), Read 160 times
Date: Friday, November 14, 2003 02:24 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

od-otter,
I have taken my Icom IC24AT out on the Folbot and talked to our locals here in Spring Hill, FL. There is quite a contingent of 2 meter folks here. I worried the whole time the rig was in the boat because it sure isn't waterproof. The speaker mic makes life easier if I'm sailing and don't need two hands to make the boat move. It's a kick to talk to the locals while bobbing around in the Gulf of Mexico. WB2KPB
Pete
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

Boatshed in Tow

Subject: Boatshed in Tow (1 of 2), Read 155 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2003 02:55 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2115.JPG

From Monday's jaunt in the red Kodiak. This guy is hustling across the channel towards me, trying to get over, ahead of an inbound freighter (not pictured).

No clue where the boatshed is bound.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Boatshed in Tow (2 of 2), Read 115 times
Date: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:47 AM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

I really enjoyed those pictures. Thanks.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Muddy Launch/Pilot Boat

Subject: Muddy Launch/Pilot Boat (1 of 4), Read 187 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, September 27, 2003 05:08 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2116.JPG, 2117.JPG, 2118.JPG, 2119.JPG, 2120.JPG

A buddy and I did a low tide paddle on the bay which included a close look at a steel-hulled vessel the Columbia River Bar Pilots have retired after some 30 years of heavy service. We both own and paddle Folbots, but today we were in hardshells.

The pilot boat carries the pilots out across the bar and waits for freighters. Pilot transfer is made using the daughter boat off the stern, which slides in over the arms of an entry port (here shown in the up position) after delivering the pilot to a rope ladder hanging down the freighter's side. Now and then a pilot falls off the ladder, so the skipper of the daughter needs to keep a sharp lookout.

Note how battered the Peacock's hull is from three decades of waves.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Muddy Launch/Pilot Boat (2 of 4), Read 172 times
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 06:47 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Interesting photos..
battered and well used.. I like boats that are used, worn, etc.... "character" I call it..
Also.. we have landings like that also.. but i'd bet the mud is softer here.. makes the locations totally unuseable because of it.. unless the tide is half of better.. and then you have to plan outings with the tides.. or you'll be stuck out .. or in..
(5 foot average tides.. sometimes more or less)

cliffy

Subject: Muddy Launch/Pilot Boat (3 of 4), Read 164 times
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 09:32 PM
Author:Twicknam1
Email:twicknam1@aol.com

I noticed the rubber duck on the front deck in 'Tide2' - he looks suspiciously like he could be a cousin of the one that comes out with us - but ours follows along behind my boat, usually kept under control with fishing line on an old reel. Swims real well, too! I'll post a photo or two of him whenever we get around to getting some film developed......


Terry

Subject: Muddy Launch/Pilot Boat (4 of 4), Read 167 times
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2003 09:55 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 9/28/03 9:32:00 PM, Twicknam1 wrote:

>I noticed the rubber duck on the front deck in 'Tide2' - he
>looks suspiciously like he could be a cousin of the one
>that comes out with us -

Boy, could be ... we are on our third one. First, Chunks disappeared one fine day when there were a bunch of kids around. Then Bits got stuck under a float. And this one is Dippy.

Chunks was always getting seasick, hence the name. Bits got a little bit seasick and less often than Chunks ... hence, Bits. Dippy? That's what it said on the box ...

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

1st Scottish Flotilla

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (1 of 22), Read 308 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 02:31 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2121.JPG, 2122.JPG

The 1st Scottish Flotilla of 3 Aleuts & 1 Klepper was in September 2003 on Loch Ness. Did any of you catch us on the web cam?
The first 3 photo's are of setting up at Fort Augustus at the south end of Loch Ness.
The crew are David and his daughter Karoline, Peter and his daughter Beth and Eve, aka 'weebananaboat'.
The 1st thing Eve + hubby Doug (who was doing car share)were presented with, were Folbot caps from Peter + David.
What a lovely gift! I wore it throughout the whole paddle of the Loch (24 miles).
We paddled for 6 hours on Saturday then stayed over at the youth hostel at Loch Ness, we arrived at the end of the Loch after 5 hours paddling on the Sunday.
I enjoyed the paddle so much, I am thinking of setting up the 1st folding kayak club in Scotland.
Anyone have any idea how to start up a club?

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (2 of 22), Read 234 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 02:59 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Remainder of photographs to follow tomorrow, when I work out how to make the photo's smaller when transferring from one pc to another (even after I reduced them). Unfortunately, my pc is broken presently, So, meantime I am borrowing one which does not have my usual software. Please bear with me :-)

weebananaboat. x.

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (3 of 22), Read 230 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 04:21 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2123.JPG

I shall try again with another 'setting up' photo. Wish me luck ;-)

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (4 of 22), Read 231 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 04:25 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2124.JPG, 2125.JPG, 2126.JPG

Setting off to make history:-) Unfortunately, we did not manage to catch a glimpse of Nessie. Cest la vie!

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (5 of 22), Read 230 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 04:31 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2127.JPG, 2128.JPG, 2129.JPG

Beth and Karoline having fun in the Klepper and a beautiful Scottish mist in the morning.

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (6 of 22), Read 232 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 04:36 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Great photos, EVe. Looks like the winds were fairly tame. Is that usual for the Loch?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (7 of 22), Read 225 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 05:57 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Hi Dave, the tameness was very unusual for the Loch. You must have sent it over from your side of the pond, just for us ;-)

Check out the rest of the photo's, the wind does manage to rear it's head eventually.

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (8 of 22), Read 224 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 06:54 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 9/22/03 5:57:00 PM, weebananaboat wrote:

>Check out the rest of the photo's, the wind does manage
>to rear it's head eventually.

I saw the one with a foot or two of chop, but I would expect a body of water like the Loch to really rip and tear at times -- six foot seas and the like ... no?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (9 of 22), Read 231 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 04:40 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2130.JPG, 2131.JPG, 2132.JPG

Photo 10 is some more lovely Scottish mist. Was that a leaf in the picture or Nessie?

Photo 11 is Beth paddling by Urquhart Castle as the bagpipes were playing.
Was that you Piper7 ????

Photo 12 was a stop off for lunch. Twin weebananaboats :-D

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (10 of 22), Read 232 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 04:50 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2133.JPG, 2134.JPG, 2135.JPG

Photo 13 Now who would be mad enough to jump into a Scottish Loch ???
Yep! Only a Scot (or 3). Peter, Beth & Karoline have a dip in the freezing water.

Photo 14 Obviously Dave and Eve have much more sense than these hooligans :-D

Photo 15 Oooops! Dave has captured the evidence. Eve has been caught stealing some of the bonnie purple heather to send over to the delightful Phil C ;-)

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (11 of 22), Read 232 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 05:01 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2136.JPG, 2137.JPG, 2138.JPG

Photo 16 Watch that Klepper ladies, it is getting pretty choppy! Any one seen Nessie yet???

Photo 17 Yeehah! The boys show the girls how to paddle a Klepper.

Photo 18 Three American kayaks in Scotland, and what did we find at the top of Loch Ness? Check this flag out guys n gals.
Did you put that flag there Mr Phil?

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (12 of 22), Read 228 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 05:22 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2139.JPG, 2140.JPG, 2141.JPG

Ok! Before I bore you to death. I promise that these are the last photographs :-)

Photo 19 Three Scot's in 3 Aleuts with the Stars & Stripes and the Saltire. Cor blimey! You Americans get everywhere ;-)

Photo 20 At the end of the Loch on the Caledonian Canal. Phew!!!
How long does it take for blisters to heal?

Photo 21 'The Crew' Back row L-R David, Beth, Karoline and Doug (the getaway driver) Front L-R Peter and Eve.

Weebananaboat x

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (13 of 22), Read 214 times
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 01:28 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

It normally does Dave, we were very lucky that weekend :-)

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (14 of 22), Read 212 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 09:22 PM
Author:dwalker
Email:dwalker@newwave.net

On 9/22/03 4:25:00 PM, weebananaboat wrote:
>Setting off to make history:-)
>Unfortunately, we did not
>manage to catch a glimpse of
>Nessie. Cest la vie!


Not true . It sure looks like Nessie on the the left side of photo number 5 to me ! Swimming along in the shade near the mountain . ;-)

Thanks for posting the photos . btw - what kind of water temperatures are you paddling around in in the loch ?

David

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (15 of 22), Read 210 times
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 02:45 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Wow David, that does look like Nessie on photo 5. Do you think we should get it verified by the professionals ;-)

The temperature varies very little in winter or summer from about 4 to 6 degrees Centigrade; 36 to 40 fahrenheit. So its very cold in summer when the other lochs warm up and very very cold in winter, but warmer than the other lochs in Scotland.

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (16 of 22), Read 224 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 05:05 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 9/22/03 2:31:00 PM, weebananaboat wrote:
>Did any of you catch us on the
>web cam?

Great shots and trip report, Eve -- thanks!! I did spot 3 distant, misty boats on the webcam, but could not confirm foldability. If this sighting was indeed of the flotilla, I'm not sure where the 4th was -- probably staying out of camera range to hide the pilfered posies....

The boats did not seem to move all day, so I decided the cam was stuck. The mist droplets on the lens were very convincing, though.

AnnD

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (17 of 22), Read 221 times
Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 06:04 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Thanks Anne :-)
I didn't pilfer posies! I nicked some Heather to send to my USA buddies.
Honest :-D
It probably was us on the web cam, there was not much else happening on the Loch that day. I noticed when I was on the cam at home, sometimes it worked and sometimes the gremlins or nessie had sabotaged it. Who knows?

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (18 of 22), Read 203 times
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 05:59 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I missed the cam.. but loved the photos'.. hope that the "Nessie" photo -5-.. was a side shot and not an "eyebrows and ears" shot. ..
yikes.. (:>)>>
beautiful place.. looks like a lot of fun..!!! lots of smiles..
Just enough water movement to enjoy the ride.. great. !!!!
cliffy

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (19 of 22), Read 205 times
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 06:59 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Cheers Cliffy :-)
Nessie is a Plesiosaur, so I doubt that will be the eyebrows Cliffy ;-) I'm so glad she popped up for a wee squint at us Folboters.

We did have the most fantastic time and the teenagers were absolutely brilliant. We are considering the Falkirk Wheel next.
Check out http://www.falkirk-wheel.com

Evie x

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (20 of 22), Read 194 times
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 03:40 PM
Author:
Email:peter

Eve

Wonderful report of a wonderful weekend Eve!
Great photos - I see what people mean in photo 5- and think if you look top Left no 4 just as we are setting off we are being watched!

Did you get the close-up photo when we had the boats rafted together?

For Dave Kru- Loch Ness does often get quite a fetch going- up to 6'. We started off with f1-2 and it got up to f3-4 with about 4' following waves.

At one point we rafted all 4 boats together and with the KLepper jibsail and 2 outer paddlers working got a good speed up!

I'd worked out to load my aleut bow to keep the stern out of the water but on David got quite wet with the following sea filling his Aleut via that rear drain hole!

Peter

Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (21 of 22), Read 192 times
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2003 05:56 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Thanks Peter,

I did get some photo's of us rafted together and I will save them on CD and send them on to you and Dave. Doug was up late last night repairing my PC, so I am up and running again. No excuse for procrastinating now ;-)

Evie.


Subject: 1st Scottish Flotilla (22 of 22), Read 96 times
Date: Friday, November 28, 2003 09:00 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Really nice pictures there! I wish I could
join you but I doubt that I'll ever make it
that far.
DC

Another Bay Day

Subject: Another Bay Day (1 of 2), Read 170 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 09:08 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2142.JPG

Started out calm and cool, with high overcast gradually occluding a nice sunrise. Ended up with drizzle, mist, and then 15 knots of tailwind as I returned to the launch spot and a dialog with gillnetters disputing how and when to fish.

Here's a photo of the numerous abandoned pilings dotting my side of the bay. The ugly green building is the local coffee shop.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Another Bay Day (2 of 2), Read 175 times
Date: Monday, September 15, 2003 06:51 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

It'd be nice to have some "local" spots around here to stop at for coffee..
Saw a History channel thing the other day and it mentioned how Astoria got its name..
Pretty place Dave..
thanks for the pic..
cliffy

Rock Art

Subject: Rock Art (1 of 2), Read 145 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:05 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2143.JPG, 2144.JPG

While I'm posting here's some rock art I found while in Sedona, Arizona last weekend. Now to find some interesting sites at Lake Powell. This area had numerous art dating back to the cliff dwelling Indians and the mysterious vanish only leaving ruins and art. The indians of the day were the Yavapai and Sinagua about 3000 to 6000 years ago. Interesting day learning early history.
enjoy
pete

http://aztec.asu.edu/aznha/palatki/palatki.html

Subject: Rock Art (2 of 2), Read 67 times
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:34 AM
Author:BradPlatt
Email:bplatt@sjusd.k12.az.us

shouldve come over to my neck of the
woods. I live about 15 miles (crow flight)
from the petrified forest. The canyon
running by my house has petro's about
every mile up the entire length....28 miles.
Very accessible and even kayakable in
some areas, albeit for short , very short,
periods.

If in the area with a kayak, be sure to
kayak from Winslow up Clear Creek and
Chevelon Creek, although in Chevelon
you will have to portage over a large log
jam that has been in the canyon for
several decades.

brad

A day on the Lake

Subject: A day on the Lake (1 of 2), Read 140 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:48 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2145.JPG, 2146.JPG, 2147.JPG, 2148.JPG

Now the weather has cooled down to a pleasant 100 degrees it was time to head for Lake Meade. Dust off the gear prior to Lake Powell. This was an afternoon paddle and a very nice 70 degree water temp with light breeze. Here at Callville this is a major launch point since the lake is down from full about 75 feet. Renovations to the launch is on the the way to increase to 4 lanes and was down to two lanes Saturday back up. Out with the big boys had to find a spot so not to be pushed aside on the way out so I paddled mostly in the Callville Bay side and away from the main channel exploring the side coves now bring those yachts around.
Talk about being ready that was my thought batteries, GPS, VHF etc. check but no I arrive only to find no PFD if this was lake Powell I would be some 9 hours from home.
Shoreline paddling for safety and the first thought at home get my PFD with the other gear.
The sun was about to set and this was no place to be with to much traffic so off I went thinking about the next outing and my missing PFD
pete

Subject: A day on the Lake (2 of 2), Read 145 times
Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 07:55 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

No PFD..no paddle.. been there... done that..
now carrying spares.. great shots again Pete.. thanks..
cliffy

What's in a Flag?

Subject: What's in a Flag? (1 of 3), Read 149 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, September 08, 2003 02:01 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca
Files:2149.JPG

Hi All,

So proud of my new flag, not only does it look great (IMHO ;-), as an added bonus it makes the boat even easier to spot!

Joanne

Subject: What's in a Flag? (2 of 3), Read 146 times
Date: Monday, September 08, 2003 04:10 PM
Author:prathmann
Email:prathman@attbi.com

Looks nice. Any plans to revive the old Folbot tradition of having a spring-loaded flagpole with a choice of the National Ensign or a Folbot pennant?

Subject: What's in a Flag? (3 of 3), Read 137 times
Date: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 06:59 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Very nice..!. Simple installation also... don't know how we missed that earlier.. good idea..
I miss the folbot flag also..
cliffy

Self rescue practice

Subject: Self rescue practice (1 of 4), Read 273 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:48 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2150.JPG, 2151.JPG, 2152.JPG, 2153.JPG

Although I am the owner of three kayaks (98-G, 2000-K and 2003-Y) I had never practiced self-rescue. So a few Saturdays ago my two older boys and I headed up to Beacon Rock State Park on the Washington side of the Columbia gorge. This is a really nice park and has a boat dock in a protected area out of the main channel. As evidenced by the pictures the scenery is outstanding.

We took turns dumping over in the 2000-K and 2003-Y and what I learned from the exercise was that current really affects a body in the water even in places where the current is not even noticeable in the boat on top of the water. I learned the best way to upright the kayak with minimal amount of water coming in - I found that just as the boat is rotated enough to break the suction seal you should push up on both washboards hard as possible as you rotate it. This action forced me underwater but resulted in much less water in the boat.

I then found the best way to get in was to climb up onto the stern of the boat from the side, straddle the boat and work up into the seat. Good things to have with you if capsized: a bilge pump w/float ring and good flotation in both ends.

Granted the current was not real strong and the wind was minimal but it was a good start to practicing skills we all need. It was actually easier than I thought it would be, of course much of the credit goes to the design of the boat.

Have fun and be safe,

Mark Beacon Rock info: Beacon Rock stands 848 feet above the mighty Columbia River, in the heart of the Columbia River Gorge. Beacon Rock is the second largest monolith in the Northern Hemisphere, Gibraltar being the first. Starting out as the core of an ancient volcano, Beacon Rock was initially whittled down by the Missoula Floods. The Indians knew it marked the last of the rapids on the Columbia River and the beginning of tidal influence from the Pacific Ocean, 150 river miles away. Lewis and Clark were the first white men to see the rock. They camped at its base in November of 1805, noting the rock in their journal and giving it its present name.

Subject: Self rescue practice (2 of 4), Read 249 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 04:02 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Kudos to you for taking the time to do this AND to teach it to your paddling buddies :-)

Several techniques are good to know as sometimes conditions will make one technique harder than the other. One should also learn the paddle float re-entry. (If you don't have a commercial paddle float, a couple of pieces of thick rigid foam insulation duct taped together around one paddle blade will work :-)

Also Thanks for the pics in the "other pics" post. Cove is a beauty of a shot!

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: Self rescue practice (3 of 4), Read 237 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:36 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello Mark,

Great outing with the family.

This reminds me that I need to work on that myself...

Tom

Subject: Self rescue practice (4 of 4), Read 201 times
Date: Monday, September 08, 2003 05:02 PM
Author:piper7
Email:rstaton@cinci.rr.com

Did no one else notice the shark's dorsal fin in the bottom of a couple of the pics? Adds a bit of drama.

Here are the other pics

Subject: Here are the other pics (1 of 2), Read 150 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2154.JPG, 2155.JPG, 2156.JPG, 2157.JPG

Second try at posting additional Hosmer Lake pics.

Subject: Here are the other pics (2 of 2), Read 120 times
Date: Monday, September 08, 2003 05:47 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Great pics.. and the "Goofy Kayaker" looks pretty normal to me.. ha..
On the practice.. I found an nice addition to your recovery would be a paddle float.. even 'not' mounted on a paddle.. and stuffed under-arm.. it was a great help to re-enter.. gives leverage for a side entry..
Good photos.. thanks.. enjoyed them..

cliffy

Just Built Folbot Super TSR

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (1 of 10), Read 221 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 06:47 PM
Author:pgorsky
Email:pgorsky@maine.rr.com
Files:2158.JPG, 2159.JPG, 2160.JPG, 2161.JPG, 2162.JPG

This is from a 1985 kit that a gentleman never built. I bought the kit, still in original boxes, and finished it this past August. These pictures were taken at Howard Pond in Hanover, Maine and in my driveway.

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (2 of 10), Read 203 times
Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 07:08 PM
Author:gouthro
Email:0342@talentg.com

Beautiful job.
Gouthro

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (3 of 10), Read 198 times
Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 08:47 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Nice work! Isn't that a big part of the enjoyment?! Building it yourself? Every time you take it out, you feel the pride of having built it yourself.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (4 of 10), Read 198 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 04:06 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

VERY nice. First time I've seen one in brand new condition. Obviously it was stored well for those 18 years!
Congrats and happy paddling!
Haith

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (5 of 10), Read 193 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 09:43 AM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Paul,
Beautiful job of construction. Congratulations and enjoy your Super.
Is the hull doubled or just a different color inside? Mine was double with "leather" looking vinyl on the inside and Dark blue on the outside. Made for one tough skin. Oh, be aware that the wooden longerons don't like rocks.
Pete

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (6 of 10), Read 187 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:34 AM
Author:SilverFox
Email:poast@prodigy.net

Hello pgorskey,

That is just simply beautiful.

Great job.

How does she handle?

Tom

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (7 of 10), Read 187 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:37 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com
Files:2163.JPG

Paul,
Pete's right about the longerons and rocks, but there is a more serious consideration. First the longerons ..... Folbot sells abrasion strips for the present models of their boats that will work equally well on any of the Folbot models. I put them on my Super TSK when I built it a couple of years ago. You stick the on the hull centered over the longerons and they provide extra hull protection when you're sliding over rocks, etc.

The more serious problem is when you're sliding over rocks and the hull is pinched between the rock and the former. It'll slice the hull just as clean as a scissors! I totally destroyed my first hull in 1965 because of that. Wrote J. Kissner about it, suggested that more 'relief' be cut into the formers to alleviate the problem. He agreed, sent me new hull material at no charge, but never changed the design. I put more relief in the formers and never had that problem again. Wanna find out if you'll have the problem? Turn the boat over and press in on the hull material with your fist at the former locations BETWEEN the longerons. If you can push the material in far enough to feel the former, you're going to slice the hull and quite possibly damage the former if you slide over a rock, submerged log, etc. Oh-oh ... I feel another one of those "professional drawings" coming on!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (8 of 10), Read 191 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 01:49 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net
Files:2164.JPG

Oh Man Gobe, I can just see Paul grinding out the rib bottoms with a demmel tool now, trying to avoid the hull...ha ha. But you're right, that should have been done right up front. I hit a rock in the Ashuanipi river in Labrador 20 miles from the RR tracks and had to "field repair" the boat. The rib broke, which snapped the longeron, which punctured the hull. We had two 200 lb. guys and 100 lb of equipment. Made for an interesting afternoon. Here is an "after" flick while I water tested the repair.
Pete
Sporty & Greenland II EXP

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (9 of 10), Read 188 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 02:59 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

You're in some pretty rocky terrain there! It's a lot of fun and bouncing off rocks here and there won't hurt a thing if things go O.K. and the boat's rigged right. I only pass this stuff along because I learned the hard way along the way and I'd like to help prevent others from 'stepping in the same bear-traps'. Completely destroying my first Super TSK hull and significantly damaging a couple of formers on a 10 mile Current River cruise with my father-in-law is a funny story and J.Kissner got a big kick out of it (the way I wrote about it in the letter to him). That may have been the reason he sent a free replacement; I'll never know, but that's typical of the traditional Folbot customer service. They've always provided more than you would expect. The story ....? That's campfire stuff and much too long to tell here. Just suffice it to say that it was a comedy of errors, but a very good lesson in what not to do. I learned a lot out of it along with how to repair and modify a Super so that it doesn't happen again. I also learned NOT to take the last beer, even though my father-in-law generously offered it! Never heard the end of that!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Just Built Folbot Super TSR (10 of 10), Read 184 times
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 05:25 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

Gobe, Folbot company has always been super to deal with. I wrecked my Sporty in 1983 and needed to pick up a frame & longeron. They popped them in the mail post-haste and I was back in business in no time (I did have to pay for them). Since then I stay out of rock gardens with my Folbots. It just doesn't pay.
Pete
Spring Hill, Fl
Sporty, Greenland II EXP

More Hosmer Lake

Subject: More Hosmer Lake (1 of 3), Read 110 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:32 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2165.JPG

As promised here are more pics of the paddle on Hosmer Lake. The lake is only 130 acres but it has narrow channels, marsh areas, open areas with islands, and coves. Some of the shore is marsh some is forested with lava formations and some is sort of open grasslands – it has everything. Where we stopped for a snack and a rest the birds were very friendly looking for handouts. A little trailmix of the hat brought them right in.

Enjoy life but make it meaningful,

Mark

Subject: More Hosmer Lake (2 of 3), Read 111 times
Date: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:44 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

More pics

Subject: More Hosmer Lake (3 of 3), Read 102 times
Date: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 07:29 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Even the birds were friendly. (:>)..
Probably good you had a hat on.. ha.. but that experience was probably great..
didnt get pics on the second post.. but with the smiles.. I gotta assume that they'll be just as enjoyable..
keep 'em coming. I am enjoying them..
cliffy

Hosmer Lake (Oregon)

Subject: Hosmer Lake (Oregon) (1 of 5), Read 184 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:27 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2166.JPG

What better way is there to celebrate one’s 25th anniversary than to go for a really outstanding paddle? Yes my bride (The Paddle Princess) agreed to go for a paddle after which we went out for a really nice dinner at Eagle Crest Resort lest any of you think I wasn’t treating her right.

The lake I choose was Hosmer Lake 160 acres in the central Cascades. The lake is a “no motors” lake (My favorite kind) and fly fishing – catch and release only. It has Atlantic salmon and brook trout in it that are easily visible in some of the narrow channels.

I will post more Pics later - the digital camera’s battery died so I have to get the film from the 35mm developed.

The pic is the Paddle Princess in the middle with South Sister to the left and Broken Top to the right. Mountain Info:
South Sister is the youngest, and the tallest (at 10,358 Feet), of the Three Sisters volcanoes of central Oregon. Formed more than 25,000 years ago, it is the third highest peak in the Oregon Cascades and its latest eruptions were about 2,000 years ago. Broken Top has an elevation of 9,185 feet. It has not erupted in the last 10,000 years.

Enjoy, Mark

Subject: Hosmer Lake (Oregon) (2 of 5), Read 140 times
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 06:39 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Extremely nice region you live in.. great scenery and paddling opportunities.
All I got is an ocean.. and with Shark week on Discovery Channel just passing. I'm just doing chores for another week. (:>),,,'
Actually.. I feel better after the shows..
Great photo.. and I can see she's happy with the outing....
thanks for sharing..
cliffy

Subject: Hosmer Lake (Oregon) (3 of 5), Read 143 times
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 08:41 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

An Anniversary paddle, what a great idea! To more anniversaries and good health to you both. Mountains never seem to lose their majesty... or fury when they erupt!

Joanne

Subject: Hosmer Lake (Oregon) (4 of 5), Read 117 times
Date: Friday, August 29, 2003 07:26 AM
Author:chill55
Email:chill1955@comcast.net

Hi Mark:
Looks like a wonderful day to be on the water! Last weekend we climbed south sister. The wife has gotten on this summiting kick this summer..ugh. But I really love the Bend region where the desert and the mountains come together. Happy paddling.
Chris

Subject: Hosmer Lake (Oregon) (5 of 5), Read 63 times
Date: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:41 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Great pictures Mark! This caught my eye
because I go to that area quite often to
visit friends in Tumalo and Sisters. I
posted some pix here from 3 Creeks
Lake a couple years ago. I think that's up
there on the other side of Broken Top in
your picture. Maybe we can meet
sometime.
Cheers,
Dick Chandler,
Alturas, Ca

Yosemite Valley Paddle

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (1 of 8), Read 255 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 05:19 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu
Files:2167.JPG, 2168.JPG, 2169.JPG

I finally got around to compressing my pics... Hope they are 'bout the right size.

I live 2 hours from Yosemite Valley, and have wanted to paddle the river there since I got my GII. With several families, we made the run three times. It is only about three miles, and on a holiday weekend, there were dozens of inflatable rafts on the way. (We were lucky to get any raft-free pics.)

The river is only good to run for about a month. Tried last year in August, and had to wade/drag bottom in lots of it. This time, it was barely deep enough. They open the river to rafts/boats about Memorial weekend (too deep/cold otherwise). The run starts at Camp Curry (Stoneman) bridge, take-out at Sentinel Beach. Here is a link to the Topozone map.

It was a good day.

...forgot to mention, you can see Yosemite Falls in the Merced River picture.

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (2 of 8), Read 214 times
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 03:44 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Nice pics and huge grins! Sure sign of a great trip!

Haith

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (3 of 8), Read 212 times
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 05:54 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Very good shots.. brings back memories from the early 70's for me.. camped there a few times, yearned for a boat for that river..
Cold water..!!!! brrrr.. had snow in may on Glacier point?..(probably wrong name.. memory is going fast.. ) what a place..
Thanks for the Memories.. keep 'em coming!!!!
cliffy

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (4 of 8), Read 212 times
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 07:04 AM
Author:piper7
Email:rstaton@cinci.rr.com

good pics. Sad though to think that this beautiful area does not have a free flowing river all summer. I suspect that man has diddled with the natural flow once again destroying what should be a welcoming natural resource.

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (5 of 8), Read 211 times
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:51 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu

Cliffy, Glacier Point is the right name. It is an overlook on the south rim of the valley. It is at 7000 ft. elevation, so snow in May is not uncommon. If you click on the map link above and ....wait.... for it to load, Glacier Point is there, in the lower right corner.

Piper, the Merced River does not have a dam on it for another 20-30 miles DOWNstream, so the water coming through is only what nature provides. The runoff is heavy in spring, peaking sometime in May, then dwindling quickly so in August and September, it is just a trickle. Note Yosemite Falls in the "River" picture -- they are usually dried up in September.

Yosemite Valley is truly a point where civilization and wilderness meet. I just read an article recently that rangers often are asked things like "when do you let the deer out?", and "Do you turn off the falls at night?". They call 'em "Tourons." :-)

Actually, if they put a dam on it, it would preserve the springtime high runoff for summer and the river would then run higher through the summer than it currently does. But a dam anywhere upstream would really wipe out some awsome backcountry!

It is Yosemite's "other" valley, Hetch Hetchy, that has the dam in it -- owned by city of San Francisco. It has its own set of falls and beautiful scenery, and the lake would make for a great paddling/camping site if only.... they would allow public access. That's a sore point for me... you can watch the "caretaker" putting around on the lake in his boat. I fantasize about someday taking my 'Bot and packing it full of camping gear and setting out a midnight to reach some remote destination and camping a few days.

Steve

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (6 of 8), Read 185 times
Date: Friday, August 01, 2003 06:58 AM
Author:piper7
Email:rstaton@cinci.rr.com

Thanks for the info on the Merced. I suspected that nature may have been the culprit, but I also suspect that if one goes far enough upstream, one will find some human touch on the trickle. Have never been further West than California. What I mean by that is I'm always just flying over the true West. Someday though. My two goals, well two among hundreds, before I die, are to visit the National Parks and also a nude beach. Kinda creepy, but that's the way it is. I was recently talking with a river guide from Colorado who informed me that the Colorado does not run wild anywhere, but is controlled by dams. Also saw a tv show recently about Lake Powell and how much the water level has dropped. The wild is disappearing. When I was doing some whitewater rafting this Spring in Wild and Wonderful West Virginia, the river guide said that a recent passenger, once in the raft, asked "where's the cable?" She panicked a bit when she realized that the raft was going to "free float" through the rapids of the New River and was not going to be guided by a connected cable. Tourons?

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (7 of 8), Read 183 times
Date: Friday, August 01, 2003 07:07 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Good to hear some portions of my memory still work. (:>),,,, we certainly liked the park.. didn't climb any rocks, and found that week days were the best to visit.. crowds got heavy at times on weekends..
We didn't paddle, didn't fish, just hiked a little and found rocks to set on to take in the upper scenery.. the depth of the mountains, the bright sky, and the quiet of weekdays was terrific..
I'd love to go back.. probably won't though and certainly loved the pictures you posted..
thanks again..

cliffy

Subject: Yosemite Valley Paddle (8 of 8), Read 178 times
Date: Friday, August 01, 2003 04:59 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

The Merced actually does run year round. The flow in late summer and fall is greatly diminished (as compared to springtime) but it is far from dried up.

Yosemite Falls is not on the river--it is on Yosemite Creek which is itself snow-melt fed.

All the watersheds in Yosemite are "wild"--no dams or diversions with one exception...

In the late 1800s, some guys trying to promote tourism in Yosemite Valley dynamited a natural dam in the Merced's watercourse, approximately across from El Capitan, in order to dry out the meadows in the valley and decrease the endemic mosquito populations. Until this was done the valley was semi-flooded throughout the spring and early summer (probably nice flatwater paddling though).

One should note that the high water levels (and high water table which also dropped after the dynamiting) are what kept the valley relatively open and free from the encroaching forest. These days many of the views are disappearing from valley floor vantage points due to the tree cover. This encroachment is especially evident if one tries to find the various vantage points from which Ansel Adams created his most famous photos of the area. You can't reproduce most of those photos today due to the advancing tree cover.

The same is happening in the high country (Tuolumne Meadows) due mainly to too many winters of sub-par snows. The meadows are drying out and allowing the pines to invade the open meadows from the edges.

--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

July paddling in Canada

Subject: July paddling in Canada (1 of 3), Read 279 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2003 06:20 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca
Files:2170.JPG, 2171.JPG, 2172.JPG

A bit of paddling in Canada, on Meech Lake in Quebec and on the Ottawa River.

France

Subject: July paddling in Canada (2 of 3), Read 272 times
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2003 06:42 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Excellent pictures.. I take it that it means this is an excellent place to paddle.. Maybe one day, we can make the Ottawa flotilla work ..?? and of course.. I can get away..... (:<)

it's surely a pretty place..
cliffy

Subject: July paddling in Canada (3 of 3), Read 263 times
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:26 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Somebody up there in Canada is a really fine photographer. Beautiful pictures. Thanks.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Canada Day paddle

Subject: Canada Day paddle (1 of 4), Read 190 times
Date: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:22 AM
Author:prathmann
Email:prathman@attbi.com

On 7/7/03 9:43:00 AM, JJG wrote:
>Here are some pictures of our
>Canada Day (July 1) outing...
>we were in our colorful GII!

I'd love to see them, but where are they?

Subject: Canada Day paddle (2 of 4), Read 146 times
Date: Monday, July 07, 2003 05:31 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

They were too big to post, let me shrink them and I will try again...

Sorry

France

Subject: Canada Day paddle (3 of 4), Read 120 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 03:49 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca
Files:2173.JPG

Let's try this ;)

Subject: Canada Day paddle (4 of 4), Read 121 times
Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 05:20 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Thanks.. the smaller file size was a nice thing..
Love the hat.. great looking territory..!
Send more..
I'll wait patiently..
cliffy

From Glacier Bay, AK

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (1 of 22), Read 346 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 06:16 PM
Author:
Email:norquist
Files:2174.JPG, 2175.JPG, 2176.JPG, 2177.JPG

Here are a few photos from a 10 day paddle in Glacier Bay, AK.

--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (2 of 22), Read 256 times
Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 06:29 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 7/6/03 6:16:00 PM, norquist wrote:

>Here are a few photos from a 10 day paddle in Glacier Bay, AK.

Great photos! Love seeing that bright yellow G II on the beach ... and no bears!

BTW, could not get the "Transport to the bac ..." one to come up. Could you maybe re-post without the "pound sign" in the filename? I think that may be why my browser won't handle it.

Thanks, and keep on sending those pics!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (3 of 22), Read 245 times
Date: Monday, July 07, 2003 02:02 PM
Author:yakers
Email:yakers@earthlink.net

For the armchair paddlers this is a great looking trip. Can you give some more information like logistics details, did you use a drop off service, what kind of safety/communications gear, and of course a trip report like didn't rain-no bears-good fishing-no mosquitos, that kind of stuff...
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (4 of 22), Read 241 times
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 07:37 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

pure beauty.. envy here..
keep 'em coming.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cliffy

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (5 of 22), Read 241 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 05:55 PM
Author:
Email:norquist
Files:2178.JPG, 2179.JPG

That one image got munched somehow. Let's try again. And add a few more, what the heck.

If you're going to Glacier Bay expect rain, rain, and more rain. We had two sunny days out of ten. And June is supposed to be the "dry" season. Don't be dissuaded, when you're in a wetsuit, PFD, etc., paddling in the rain is actually very nice--it's the camping that can suck (if not done right).

--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (6 of 22), Read 255 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 06:00 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

I forgot--here's a site for all the beta on Glacier Bay:
http://www.nps.gov/glba/

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (7 of 22), Read 252 times
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 07:15 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Love those dayglo paddles!

BTW, if you resize those photos to about 90 K each (approx 640 x 480 pixels), the image quality is still excellent, and they upload/download a lot faster. We 55k modem guys reallly appreciate that!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (8 of 22), Read 241 times
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:09 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

They are 640x480. The file size is more dependent on how the JPEG compression is applied. According to my Photoshop, these images are approximately 85 out of 100 on the jpeg "quality" scale (a good, albeit nonlinear, approximation of the degree of compression). Looks like that's the default coming out of iPhoto. I'll try to remember to compress them more in Photoshop before posting--I forget the world isn't all broadband yet. But should be.

Those paddles are standard issue Werner Camanos with a tad of eye-blistering paint. The paint chips a lot but I touch 'em up every so often. Every little bit of color helps when you paddle out in San Francisco Bay, home to every type of stinkpot, sailboat, and commercial ship known to man.

I paddle a Werner San Juan. (The orange one in the photos.) I found the Camano to be like paddling a broomstick with a teaspoon mounted on either end. The San Juan is just about my optimal paddling impedance.

I even found a 3XL hunter-orange Columbia OmniTech rain parka on super sale that my wife retro'ed in pit zips, for me wearing over my PFD. Man, you can see that jacket 3 miles away. The rangers at Glacier Bay frowned on such a jacket, claiming it was too "high impact." They're worried about my "visual impact" in a bay where 3,000 passenger cruise ships visit twice daily? I don't know where the park service gets those guys...Unbelievable.

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Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (9 of 22), Read 253 times
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 05:01 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 7/8/03 11:09:00 PM, norquist wrote:

>They are 640x480. The file size is more dependent on how
>the JPEG compression is applied. According to my
>Photoshop, these images are approximately 85 out of 100 on
>the jpeg "quality" scale (a good, albeit nonlinear,
>approximation of the degree of compression).

I did not realize how much difference that makes. I use 65/100 for mine, and routinely get filesizes of about 50-80 kB for a 640x480 image. Living in the sticks, broadband is very expensive, so the smaller filesize is much appreciated on the download end.

>I paddle a Werner San Juan. (The orange one in the
>photos.) I found the Camano to be like paddling a broomstick
>with a teaspoon mounted on either end. The San Juan is
>just about my optimal paddling impedance.

Ahhh, to have wrists again ... I used to paddle a 245 cm San Juan in my single but eventually had to back off after major tendonitis. (Now I use a 220 cm Lightning which has about the same blade area as the Camano.) The SJ really puts a lot in the water. Strangely enough, I can use a bigger paddle area in the G II than in my single, and no tendonitis.

>I even found a 3XL hunter-orange Columbia
>OmniTech rain parka [snip] Man, you can see that
>jacket 3 miles away. The rangers at Glacier Bay frowned
>on such a jacket, claiming it was too "high impact."

Oh, yeah, you are scratching my biases on that one. Places like Glacier Bay are so popular the NPS tries to manage them like a theme park. Waaaay too many rules. Long ago, I decided I'd avoid NPS-governed lands in favor of the less-restrictive USFS-governed wilderness areas.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (10 of 22), Read 254 times
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 07:38 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Looks like the wife is enjoying the trip also.. love to see the mods when you get around to them.. all sound interesting..
I'm modem-restricted / challenged also.. and use 50/100 for photos in the past.. in the process of setting up for posting more at this location.... I'm so behind..
You'd think I'd have more time.. ??
as a note.. My old fishing bud and I used to stop at the bait shop on the way out to fish in the rain.. we'd get bad looks (are you crazy??) and advise that is was raining.. and if there was no thunderstorms.. we reply.."it's just rain"..
still fun even if wet..

cliffy

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (11 of 22), Read 255 times
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 09:14 PM
Author:Aleutman
Email:mnfolbot@aol.com

Went to Glacier bay in 1988. Took tour boat down to Hopkins glacier area. Went by the Lamplugh glacier. Camped by Reid glacier. Took the little tidal creek at high tide into Skidmore bay. Went though Blue Mouse Cove. Camped by Hugh Miller Mountain. Crossed the Bay at Willoughby Island. Returned to Bartlett Cove through the Beardslee Islands.

We saw bears, seals(they bumped our boat), sea lions, and whales. One whale overtook us from behind and passed us very close by. There were tons of bald eagles.

We had unusual luck with the weather. Bright and sunny every day except one. Stunning scenery and the rumbling of the glaciers sounds like a thunder storm is coming. We rocked in the waves as building sized chunks of ice broke off the faces of the glaciers.

Went in a Folbot Super of course. Went with my buddy Bert. Next time I think I would like to go in my Greenland II and go with Mrs. Norquist. Just kidding about that last part.

Glacier Bay is a place of beauty beyond beauty on a spiritaul plane. Thankyou for reminding me of the time I was there.

Subject: From Glacier Bay, AK (12 of 22), Read 244 times
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:16 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

On 7/9/03 5:01:00 AM, davekru wrote:
>On 7/8/03 11:09:00 PM, norquist wrote:

>Oh, yeah, you are scratching my biases
>on that one. Places like Glacier Bay
>are so popular the NPS tries to manage
>them like a theme park. Waaaay too many
>rules. Long ago, I decided I'd avoid
>NPS-governed lands in favor of the
>less-restrictive USFS-governed
>wilderness areas.

They both have their pros and cons. The NPS is more restrictive and the rangers are bitchier but you don't come upon giant swaths of clearcut old growth in national parks like you do in USFS land.

Since the USFS is part of the Dept. of Agriculture, there's a culture of "extraction first" that is bothersome. Especially since every year for the last decade their own research has shown that their forests generate more revenue in tourism than from timber/mining/damming/land raping. Especially if you factor in all the welfare roads the US government builds for the loggers and miners.
And tourism is renewable. Clear cutting ain't (in our lifetime anyway).

In California, the USFS manages visitation in the Sierran designated wilderness areas much the same as the NPS does its parks. Until a lawsuit a few years ago brought by some California hiking groups was successful, the USFS allowed commercial horse packers unlimited self permitting for entry into the wilderness areas (which was expressly against USFS's own stated policy and hence illegal) while tax paying hikers and backpackers had to squabble over a scant few permits made available by lottery and 6 month advance reservation. It was nuts. Now the playing field between backpackers and commercial packers is much more equitable if not genial.

It caused a few packers to sell their outfits and retire but there were probably more packers before than the real carrying capacity could sustain anyway. Don't miss 'em one bit.

I'm actually amazed that the NPS isn't more extraction minded themselves, being in the notorious BLM. I guess the idealistic and hence, bitchier, rangers are a blessing in disguise.

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Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (13 of 22), Read 257 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:30 PM
Author:
Email:norquist
Files:2180.JPG, 2181.JPG, 2182.JPG


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Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (14 of 22), Read 260 times
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 06:24 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

The only glacier I've ever gotten close to seeing.. was radar ground clutter on a B-52 as a gunner with no windows to look out of..
From what I see from yours, and other's postings.. is that not only are they beautiful, but most likely that every time you look at the same one, they'll be different.. new panarama to see.. and awe inspiring.
I do so much appreciate you all posting these photos. It's likely I'll never visit them, and the photo's are a window I very much regret not having before..
Thank you... all..
cliffy

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (15 of 22), Read 258 times
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 08:12 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 7/10/03 6:24:00 AM, cliffy wrote:

>I do so much appreciate you all posting these photos. [of glaciers]
>It's likely I'll never visit them, and the photo's are a
>window I very much regret not having before..

Cliffy, there are a couple cruise lines running week-long round trips out of Vancouver, BC that would put you and wifey right up close to some of those glaciers ... and for not many dollars, either. Excursion of a lifetime, my inlawa say.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (16 of 22), Read 254 times
Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 06:55 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Sounds inviting.. maybe one day.. took 5 cruises.. all carribean.. and now with reduced income.. ... more.. ??
Had a bud to on ones you speak of.. reports great trips.. kayak trip offerings.. etc..
we'll see....
cliffy

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (17 of 22), Read 259 times
Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 08:12 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

I just think it so great that while others dream of kayaking in Alaska, folboters do it with no hassle, in their own boat. Is this a great contraption or what?

And Norquist, where'd you get that hat Dog?
Sailboy

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (18 of 22), Read 261 times
Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 02:34 PM
Author:Aleutman
Email:mnfolbot@aol.com

Cliffy, They have cruises, but you have a Folbot. If you ever go to Glacier Bay. Do what so many Folboters before you have done. Glacier bay is an ideal place for Folboting. Many options from intermediate level up. Actually, even beginner level with a caution regarding the cold water, and tides.

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (19 of 22), Read 247 times
Date: Monday, July 14, 2003 04:18 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Awesome pictures and a great adventure Norquist!
Thanks for sharing!

Haith

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (20 of 22), Read 251 times
Date: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:47 AM
Author:
Email:norquist

The hat? That's a Kavu Chillba http://www.kavu.com (the "Glacier Sombrero?"). High tech version of an old Asian favorite--10 bazzillion Asians can't be wrong!

It's a great sun hat--cool on the braincase, major sun and rain protection, and dorky in the extreme!

Not the best hat for a windy day, however...

As far as transporting the boat, I agree--I think it's a HUGE advantage to be able to go someplace wild and have a pre-rigged boat that you're familiar with paddling. Help is a loooong ways away. Already knowing your boat's specific proclivities and peculiarities increases your safety margin by a significant amount.

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (21 of 22), Read 255 times
Date: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:29 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 7/14/03 11:47:00 AM, norquist wrote:

>As far as transporting the boat, I agree--I think it's a
>HUGE advantage to be able to go someplace wild and have a
>pre-rigged boat that you're familiar with paddling.

Yowsa. Had a couple unhappy experiences renting in faraway places: Florida and Maine. Cheaper, too, to have your own boat, even if you ship it UPS. Rental rates for doubles run $40/day many places.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: a few more...From Glacier Bay, AK (22 of 22), Read 249 times
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 01:07 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

Absolutely!

My first canoeing trip in Alaska cost me $500+ just for the boat rental. I came home and immediately started researching foldable canoes--geez, I paid for a third of one in just one trip!

I think Glacier Bay kayak rentals are in the $40+/day range too. For an 18ft Beluga double, it's $45-$50 per day.

Double yowsa!
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Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Another Scappoose Paddle

Subject: Another Scappoose Paddle (1 of 5), Read 168 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, July 05, 2003 08:28 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2183.JPG, 2184.JPG, 2185.JPG

I used a summer’s day paddle up Scappoose Creek with my oldest son as a shakeout paddle for the new Yukon. (My third in the fleet – 98 GII, 2000 K) For those of you not from Orygun this is a tributary and estuary area 30 miles or so down river from Portland.

The shakeout served its purpose, as I discovered how important it is to have the tube protectors for the rudder control lines installed in the rear washboard. I just feed the line under the rear corner of the rear washboard in the absence of the installed tubes and by the end of the paddle the nylon control line was hanging by a thread. Glad I was not on a long trip where I needed it.

Went to the hardware store after I got back and everything in installed and looking good now. As a funny side note, the guy who owns and runs the kayak shop at the dock (great guy) was wearing a tee shirt that said “Don’t Need No Stinking Rudder”. I didn’t take the time to explain to him that I was just making sure everything worked – I’m sure he thought we were novice wimps.

Here are the pictures of me and my son along the creek – the water level sure is low this time of the year.

Subject: Another Scappoose Paddle (2 of 5), Read 151 times
Date: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:02 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

Nice shots Mark and nice boats. That yellow sure stands out. I definitely recognize that rest spot you found. There are not many places along there where you can get out and stretch. Last Saturday and Sunday we just ended up rafting up and having lunch in the boats. Seems like Scappoose Bay area is the place for Folboter's these days. And seems like lots of people from the Portland area showing up here on the Forum. What do all you locals think of a nice day paddle and picnic for all the Folbot people in the area and any out of the area that may want to show up? Maybe a mini Flotilla? I will post more in the Flotilla Conference.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: Another Scappoose Paddle (3 of 5), Read 159 times
Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 01:16 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 7/5/03 8:28:00 PM, MARKSP8 wrote:
>I used a summer’s day paddle up Scappoose Creek with my
>oldest son as a shakeout paddle for the new Yukon.

>Here are the pictures of me and my son along the creek –
>the water level sure is low this time of the year.

Nice backwater. Looks like a bass fisher's dream.

The guy with the "no rudder" T-shirt sounds like a radical. Newbies and Oldbies alike would want a rudder on a Kodiak or a G II when dealing with stiff sidewinds or currents.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Another Scappoose Paddle (4 of 5), Read 154 times
Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 03:35 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

John - a get together of local Portlanders would be nice. Dave K is the expert on Columbia River Islands maybe he can suggest someplace.

Dave - That is nice bass water and every brush pile is full of crappie but they are not easy to catch. The "no rudder" guy used to be a kayak instructor in Hawaii. I'm sure he hates it when we paddle past people who have rented boats from him who are struggling to go straight and they always ask "how do you do that".

Subject: Another Scappoose Paddle (5 of 5), Read 157 times
Date: Sunday, July 06, 2003 04:23 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

[I ported this over to the Flotilla Conference -- where there is a better discussion point than here.]

On 7/6/03 3:35:00 PM, MARKSP8 wrote:

>John - a get together of local Portlanders would be nice.
>Dave K is the expert on Columbia River Islands maybe
>he can suggest someplace.

I don't know the Portland area so well as I do the river down here. Scappoose Bay is a good safe locale. More exposed, but with good picnicking facilities and a terrific sandy beach is the small park just downriver from the Trojan access road (Prescott ?). Small launch/use fee, but less populated than other parks and about 40 minutes from PDX.

Other choices: St Helens Marina: launch fee, poor ramp access (no beach).

Goble: similar to St Helens MArina, but more protected than Prescott.

Launching from Aldrich Point (Brownsmead; small beach) is good, and the paddling is both protected and wonderful, but it is a good 90 minutes from Portland, and tricky to find. John has been there, and so have some others who Folbot.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (1 of 8), Read 226 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, June 30, 2003 02:42 PM
Author:mfree
Email:wm_free@ix.netcom.com
Files:2186.JPG

Over the past 6-months I have managed to acquire a small flotilla of used Folbots in excellent shape and at a reasonable price. 2 of the kayaks I purchased from people on the Folbot Forum. In fact I thought I was buying another Sporty and discovered that it was a "Racer" instead. Looks the same as the Sporty but next to each other you can see the width difference. We launched the Super this past weekend on the Chesapeake Bay and my two boys had a great time sailing it. It is a bit of a challenge to figure out how to use the long wooden tiller but they managed. Thought folks might like to see them lined up. Total cost for all 3 was about $700. They are great for the kids because of their stability. All of these are rigid models.

Michael

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (2 of 8), Read 196 times
Date: Monday, June 30, 2003 06:49 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

WOW, .... those are some real beauties! You got a 'steal' on those boats. You'll find the Super and Sporty to be very stable. I know absolutely nothing about the "Racer". Never saw or heard of one, but it looks like a heck of a boat! Enjoy. And, give us some real, on the water, info on that Racer.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (3 of 8), Read 196 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 03:41 PM
Author:mfree
Email:wm_free@ix.netcom.com
Files:2187.JPG, 2188.JPG, 2189.JPG

Hi Gobe:

Your right I consider that I got a great deal on these. Both the Sporty and the Racer (which I thought was another Sporty) were listed on the Forum for $200 each. I picked up the Sporty in NY from George on a business trip and Phyllis shipped the Racer from Atlanta to Philadelphia via ForwardAir for $46. The Super I found locally and paid $250 for including the full sail rig, rudder, outriggers, tiller, etc. A couple of minor scrapes and patches but then that's what these boats were designed for.

I have attached the write up that I found in the Folbot Catalog about the Racer. Looks exactly like the Sporty but about 4 inches narrower.

For kids they are great because of the stability and I don't feel like I have a huge investment if something happens to one.

Michael

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (4 of 8), Read 187 times
Date: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 07:44 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Interesting, Michael .......... Wonder how many they built. A 25" beam was pretty narrow for Folbot, but has to be a nice performer. Is it a folder?
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (5 of 8), Read 181 times
Date: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 02:17 PM
Author:mfree
Email:wm_free@ix.netcom.com

Hi Gobe:

Nope. None of these are folders, all rigid models. Have no idea about the popularity of the Racer. Maybe John Haide or Cliffy can shed some light on the relative popularity of the models. My impressions so far:

Super: Nice tandem kayak, tracks well, comfortable, great for a husband and wife team as long as wife is in the front and gets the benefit of paddle spray (but also can take a rest every once in a while).

Sporty: Great boat. I need to move the rudder peg further back in the boat and may take John Haide's approach and replace with a more current peddle design, which is adjustable.

Racer: Because of cockpit shrinkage due to the age of this boat I have trouble getting in and out of it. However for my more lithesome teenage boys it is very responsive and easy to paddle. Probably closest to a plastic boat like the WS Chaika or CD Extreme. Very responsive even without the rudder. easy to put up on edge and good secondary stability.

Michael

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (6 of 8), Read 187 times
Date: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 03:38 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Michael ..... I know all about that shrinkage stuff. I had about 5 or 6 suits that I wore regularly at work. We went 'casual' and two years later I couldn't get into them if I used grease! They shrink if you leave them hanging in the closet without wearing them.

You've got the Super right. In addition, I can verify that it operates just great with an outboard motor and crossbar. Wish Folbot still made the crossbar; it was a good one. Back in '65, when I built my first Super TSK, I bought the motor crossbar. Folbot advertised at the time that you could hang up to a 30# motor on it and recommended a 2-1/2 horse. I found a 4 hp, air-cooled Eska that weighed in at 29#! I'd put a 2 gallon gas tank behind the rear seat and run all day long. The beauty of it was the ability to motor upriver, stow the motor and paddle back without the need for arranging shuttles.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (7 of 8), Read 190 times
Date: Thursday, July 03, 2003 01:20 PM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

Michael,
The craft on the right of the pics...could it be a Jiffy instead? I was looking at the double ended cockpit, verses a squared off back end of the cockpit. In any case an admirable bunch of fine boats and bit of history!
Congrats,
Scott

Subject: Folbot Family-Super, Sporty, Racer (8 of 8), Read 187 times
Date: Saturday, July 05, 2003 05:52 AM
Author:mfree
Email:wm_free@ix.netcom.com

Hi Scott:

Don't believe it is the Jiffy because of the length. The Jiffy was 13'6" and the Racer and Sporty are both 15'. I lined them up next to one another and my recent acquisition (Racer?) is the same length as the Sporty so unless Folbot made a 15' Jiffy (which is always possible) I will call it a Racer (plus it sounds fancier) until proven otherwise.

Thanks,

Michael

P.S. I'll post a picture of the boys sailing the Super as soon as they come back from photo shop.

Fellow Folboter at Scappoose Bay

Subject: Fellow Folboter at Scappoose Bay (1 of 5), Read 134 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 03:41 PM
Author:mbateman
Email:mbateman@laughingsky.com
Files:2190.JPG

Here is a picture of fellow Folboter John(?) whom we met at Scappoose Bay on Saturday.


Matt - GII
Portland, OR

Subject: Fellow Folboter at Scappoose Bay (2 of 5), Read 124 times
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 05:23 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 6/29/03 3:41:00 PM, mbateman wrote:

>Here is a picture of fellow Folboter John(?) whom we met
>at Scappoose Bay on Saturday.

I believe that is John Haide, the Folbot Forum Webmaster.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Fellow Folboter at Scappoose Bay (3 of 5), Read 127 times
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 05:57 PM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net

Yep, that is definitely John Haide, webmeister and boatmeister.

Paul D. Hagewood
Hillsboro, Oregon

Subject: Fellow Folboter at Scappoose Bay (4 of 5), Read 121 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:34 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2191.JPG, 2192.JPG, 2193.JPG, 2194.JPG, 2195.JPG

Yes Matt, they are right. You caught me out there delivering one of the kayak trips I donated to the fund raising auction at my kids' high school. Was taking out Myron and Galen, Father and son. Today I took Julie and Hannah, Mom and daughter out. Here are a few photos of the outing including one of Matt and his wife enjoying their GII. My son, Matt joined in yesterday paddling the Sporty while my guests did a fine job with the Super. As you can see, I had the Yukon. We had a nice lunch up on Scappoose creek under the shade of some river ash trees. We saw lots of great blue herons and even a pair of bald eagles.
Matt, if you stay right as you head up the bay, after a bit you will come to the mouth of Scappoose Creek and you can follow that up a long ways. We went up there both days and there was no problem with low water as the tide ebbed. There was the tidal current and creek current against us on the way up, but made for an easy paddle back. Just a little wind as we returned to the marina.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: Fellow Folboter at Scappoose Bay (5 of 5), Read 121 times
Date: Monday, June 30, 2003 09:01 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Looks like a heck of a good outing.. scenic and pretty trails.. good background (Mt. St. Helens).. Makes me ache..
thanks for the shots John.. loved 'em
cliffy

Flaming Gorge/Tetons- final day

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons- final day (1 of 3), Read 157 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 02:24 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2196.JPG, 2197.JPG, 2198.JPG

Back to Signal Mt. for breakfast, here I had elk and buffalo. Afterwards to Flagg ranch just outside of the park we looked at Lizard creek campground. This is where one can paddle from Flagg down to the take out at the campground depending on the river. On Grassy Lake road was free campground on national forest that was used to paddle up the Snake into the meandering braids of channels. The whole time no wildlife to be found only beaver lodges. Now the fun part the free ride home, Ann estimated a 2 knot current. Pack up the truck and onto Grassy Lake road to some very nice campgrounds with 7 and 8 in the meadows just prior to entering Idaho. Over the Grassy Lake reservoir and into Idaho I bid Ann goodbye at the junction by the base of the Taraghee national forest. Trip well done and so much to see for a future of dreaming about those Jackson and Leigh Lake campsites on the base of the Tetons with hiking up the canyons.
pete

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons- final day (2 of 3), Read 117 times
Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:59 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Wow - great pix all, Pete! I haven't sorted through mine yet, but I can't think of anything you haven't covered.

After you headed on down the road into Idaho, I turned left onto the National Forest road and found a free campsite beside a meadow. The next morning I stumbled out of the van to a resounding bugling. Moose?? Oh boy!! I started off across the frost-covered meadow to find them. But -- those are not moose. Fat bodies, long thin legs, long necks. Llamas?? Do llamas bugle? No, wait llamas have 4 legs. These creatures have only 2. Consulting my bird book, I decided they had to be sandhill cranes. Definitely worth trekking through frost for!

AnnD

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons- final day (3 of 3), Read 105 times
Date: Saturday, July 05, 2003 08:25 AM
Author:rgaines
Email:rgaines@sprintmail.com

Awesome, inspiring, fantastic scenery, . . . . rr

Robert - West MO - USA

Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 6-7

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 6-7 (1 of 1), Read 97 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 02:05 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2199.JPG, 2200.JPG, 2201.JPG, 2202.JPG

Arriving at Jenny Lake campground we stayed for two days below the base of Mt Teton. Coulter Bay the largest campground Jenny Lake is for tents only filling up very fast. Warning from the rangers to use the bear boxes as they have been know to travel thru this area. Jenny Lake has a visitor center, grocery store but not as large as Coulter Bay a small market. Backcountry permits obtained here with several hiking trails. On day 6 we paddled Oxbow Bend a place to view wildlife;otter,beaver, bald eagle and ducks. One could paddle from the dam on the Snake River using the fast water to various take outs but some are rated from beginner to advanced so its your choosing. Spent time at the Signal Mt restaurant better of the rest for folks on an budget. Also you would find the lodge there,Jenny Lake lodge for those not on a budget cost around $350.00 for a cabin. Spent the time checking out the area sights this day with nice views up on Signal Mountain. This day after looking at Stringer Lake we hiked to Hidden falls and around Jenny Lake, 7 miles later we arrived back at the campsite and dinner over the fire. The next day we headed to Flagg Ranch area just south of the entrance to Yellowstone National Park which some folks at Fremont Lake let us know it was snowing prior to our arrival at the Tetons.
pete

Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 5

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Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 01:49 PM
Author:arczeneb
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After leaving Fremont lake we traveled north enjoying the views and the river entering Jackson WY. Here we dined and checked out the town then moved onto Coulter Bay campground. Meet with Mike and Melinda who stayed a day before moving on to Montana. It seems the weather was still with us, long johns and rain. Checked out the bay and the views under the storm clouds. Evening came stories told and the next morning Mike and Melinda left we headed for visitors center and to Jenny Lake.
pete

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 5 (2 of 4), Read 77 times
Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:41 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

It was so great meeting Mike and Melinda. Too bad we didn't get to paddle together. Just keeping warm together was a feat in itself. Hot chocolate under the Vennard tarp hit the spot!

From Mike I learned all sorts of things: cutting kindling with a knife; a new slidy knot; efficient tarp-raising (start with a tree-to-tree rope and hang the tarp over it; it's been mentioned before, but I forgot; a demo is worth a thousand posts...). I love the tech transfer at flotillas, large or small.

From Pete I learned masses of things, but the best was gaitors. No more burrs in my socks!

AnnD

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 5 (3 of 4), Read 69 times
Date: Saturday, July 05, 2003 08:36 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

My sincere apologies to both Ann and Pete for the really rotten weather. That is what you get for planning months ahead. After leaving camp and heading north we had snow for 20 miles over the 8 thousand foot pass into Old Faithfull. From there on it was rain on and off the rest of the day.

I am a fair weather boatman. The looks of the lake the evening before and the clouds the next morning kept the boats in the back of the truck. We will be back next year though...

I will mention it here as a fore though. We are planning to retire up that way in about two years from now, and then I can begin to put together a trip down the Missouri, over in the wilderness parts. If anyone is interested, keep a hole open for 2006.
mike v

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 5 (4 of 4), Read 70 times
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2003 01:05 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Missouri River trip in 2006 it is! I've got it pencilled in....
AnnD

Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 4

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 4 (1 of 1), Read 75 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:36 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
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Looking at the area for a paddle we choose Fremont Lake at the base of the Bridger-Teton national forest in the Wind River range. There are several lakes admire along with hiking trails. There are rivers to float in the valley but for another time. Here at Fremont Lake campground you would find a nice forested sites one on waters edge and another close. The southern part of the lake is more open with the resort while the northern is more forest heading into the Bridger. We arrived on a sunny day and paddled the next with overcast and misty rain. Here one can explore the many forested coves heading north. Since we needed to head to the Grand Tetons to meet Mike and Melinda we left this area for another time. If you stop at Pinedale ranger station you can pick up the forest maps and more getting information on the many lakes around. There were around four next to Fremont. Off we went to the Tetons.
pete

Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 3

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 3 (1 of 1), Read 77 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:23 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
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Left Dutch John for Fire Hole campground in Wyoming. Here the landscape changes to desert with spires, rolling hills with wildlife in the meadows. We overnighted at the campground with the rains following us and the next day paddled down the Green River for an overnight. Here one can paddle up the Green River or down to the gorge to the mouth of the Black river all the way to the dam. Plenty of antelope grazing in the meadows. Started the paddle with sun breaks then rain same pattern for the rest of our day. Here we observed a double rainbow as the front passed thru. The Fire Hole campground has showers, water and an open view of the surrounding hills. After the sunny day we packed out to the launch and headed for Fremont Lake.
pete

Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 2

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 2 (1 of 1), Read 65 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 09:26 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
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The morning was scattered clouds and after watching the weather from yesterday we took what nature had to offer; rain. We headed down to Cedar Creek camp to launch for a leisure paddle in the red canyon area. After we checked out the start of the rapid run below the dam to the Colorado about 31 miles. Here you can creek camp and fish. Locals said only 4 areas mights be a problem on this run mostly fast water. Onto the big town of Dutch John well not really government quarters, two gas stations with one place to eat. So we gassed up and eat turned north for the Wyoming side of the gorge at Fire Hole campground.
pete

Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 1

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 1 (1 of 2), Read 98 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 29, 2003 09:11 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
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Truck packed and heading north. First stop would be the beauty of the Red Canyon on the Flaming Gorge Utah side. The gateway city is Vernal, Utah heading north. I passed thru to an area of signs showing the first inhabitants dinosaurs and more. After as one photo shows the lovely forest of Ashley national forest but prior a road sign information showed the same forest--not this was a large strip mine with leech ponds and remember the photo well now trucks area removing the mountain. Anyway I passed thru to the Flaming Gorge to meet Ann at the Canyon Rim campground to start our journey to the Tetons. On this day we traded stories and relaxed having dinner at the lodge. The weather was howling winds during the evening and rain. The next day would bring some clearing and onto Cedar Creek campground to kayak the Red Canyon.
pete

Subject: Flaming Gorge/Tetons-day 1 (2 of 2), Read 90 times
Date: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 06:22 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Lots of beautiful pics.. not one ugly one in the bunch.. Great trip Pete.. I know that's one for the memory banks.. I passed some of these areas back in the 70's.. but never paddled or camped them.. I'm in envy..
green full blown envy... what a great country 'eh..
Glad it was a good time.. Hope to see more soon and often..
took me two days to get through all the photos''.. i'm modem challenged, and sometimes the computer just stopped..
Made it though all pics today...
thanks much.. think of us "two day escape" folks when you-all are out there..
we wanna be out there too..
cliffy

More Bachelor Island

Subject: More Bachelor Island (1 of 3), Read 134 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 07:55 PM
Author:chill55
Email:chill1955@comcast.net
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Enjoy

Subject: More Bachelor Island (2 of 3), Read 129 times
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 09:39 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Love the shots. Mt St. Helens?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: More Bachelor Island (3 of 3), Read 128 times
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:43 PM
Author:chill55
Email:chill1955@comcast.net

Hi Dave
Yes St Helens from the Columbia side of Bachelor Island. We went up against about 10 mph wind and a slight incoming tide. We were tired after that stretch. We caught one nice tug wake and I drowned my wife on like the 3rd wave, The boat sliced right through about a 5 ft wake swell and pounded down on the other side with a swoosh. It was really funny because I scolded her earlier for having a loose skirt.hahaha. The one shot of her by the boat she is drying off after the wake episode.hehehe

Chris

Kayaking and More

Subject: Kayaking and More (1 of 4), Read 195 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, June 27, 2003 09:16 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
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Greetings folks;
Just arrived home from 7 days of kayaking and hiking. Places Canyon Rim Flaming Gorge-Utah; kayaking/camping. Firehole Flaming Gorge-Wyoming overnight camping/kayaking. Fremont Lake at the base of Bridger-Teton national forest,Wyoming;kayaking/camping. Grand Tetons; Coulter Bay and Jenny Lake; hiking/camping. Snake River, Teton forest just south of the Yellowstone entrance; kayaking. Grassy Lake passing thru to Idaho and home. Ann, Mike, Melinda and myself. The mountains thru all it could; rain, howling wind, snow in the mountains, cold around 40 or lower and at the end sun and skeeters. Beaver, moose, bald eagle, otters,antelope,coyote and more. Pictures and trip reports to follow.
pete

Subject: Kayaking and More (2 of 4), Read 173 times
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 07:04 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Is that just a trick of lighting, but what is the color of that kayak?
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Kayaking and More (3 of 4), Read 176 times
Date: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:02 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 6/28/03 7:04:00 AM, gobe wrote:
Is that just a trick of
lighting, but what is the
color of that kayak?

Funny you might ask, Ann said my kayak is greenish in color, I say tan or maybe to much sunlight. I wonder if my color perception is leaving me.
pete



Subject: Kayaking and More (4 of 4), Read 134 times
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2003 01:08 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

It was tan last year, but this year, it's a lovely sherbet green.
AnnD

Lower Columbia Bachelor Island

Subject: Lower Columbia Bachelor Island (1 of 1), Read 122 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, June 27, 2003 08:35 PM
Author:chill55
Email:chill1955@comcast.net
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Here are a couple of shots ruffing it on the beaches. We love our new boat.

Regards
Chris

Test picture posting

Subject: Test picture posting (1 of 5), Read 112 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:08 AM
Author:tmbmiafla
Email:tmbmiafla@yahoo.com
Files:2233.JPG

This is my first attempt to attach a photo so if none appears I'll keep trying.
Tom Brown
Beautiful TAN G II
"There is nothing- Absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats."

Subject: Test picture posting (2 of 5), Read 93 times
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:36 AM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

It appeared! :)

And why are those people smiling? Could it be they're out having a good time in their GII?

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Test picture posting (3 of 5), Read 99 times
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:28 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Picture showed up as about 500 Kb. How did you exceed the nominal 100 Kb limit?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Test picture posting (4 of 5), Read 92 times
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 07:34 PM
Author:tmbmiafla
Email:tmbmiafla@yahoo.com

I have no idea! Just dumb luck I guess.

Tom Brown
Beautiful TAN G II
"There is nothing- Absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats."

Subject: Test picture posting (5 of 5), Read 86 times
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 06:27 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

It loaded well.. looks good from my end.. (:>)..
I'd suggest only.. that if you can.. reduce file sizes so "us" poor modem attached folks don't have to wait so long for the photo to materialize.. (:>)..'
Looks like a happy owner to me.. ha..

cliffy

The load up

Subject: The load up (1 of 2), Read 168 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2003 08:43 PM
Author:
Email:norquist
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How to put a 17' sea kayak and two week's worth of camping gear and food in a Toyota Echo.

To the airport!
--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: The load up (2 of 2), Read 167 times
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 05:16 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

An expedition in the back seat.. I like it..!
Plenty of room.. and it's all inside outa the weather.. well thought out load I'd say..(:>)
cliffy

GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (1 of 8), Read 203 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2003 07:32 PM
Author:chill55
Email:chill1955@comcast.net
Files:2237.JPG

Hello People:
Well I couldn't wait for a nice day so we took her out today and it poured for about 5 minutes, right when I was putting on the washboards so no skirt yet , she got a little wet inside :-) But the weather didn't dampen our spirits! We put in at Scapoose bay at the kayak center and spent about 4 hours exploring the area. I can't say enough about the wonderful people who own the Kayaking center! My gosh you would think we drained a Visa account in their store! They were encouraging and of course knowledgeable of the area. I love the boat and sorry I only got the camera out at the when we returned.
Cheers
Chris

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (2 of 8), Read 155 times
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2003 08:34 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Looking good, Chris -- typical Oregon weather, no?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (3 of 8), Read 165 times
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 05:20 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

And folks.. note the new parts.. ?
can ya pick em' out.??
Glad you had a good time..!
it's only the beginning.. hope you have many and write us about them all...

cliffy

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (4 of 8), Read 148 times
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2003 06:20 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Come on Cliffy, don't keep us in suspense. All I can see is a black end cap on the bow instead of aluminum colored.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (5 of 8), Read 142 times
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 06:02 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Tiny things count.. ha.. also note.. and it's nearly impossible.. the D rings on the deck have taken a new shape..which allow loosening of the bungees but no loss from slipping out.. and that's about all you can see..
there's more but hiddlen from the eye in these photos'..
This is kinda like old volkswagens.. I spent time each year trying to descern what was new.. I'm so picky.. ha..
Most things that change are improvements.. not much to see, but each time the boats get better.. possibly lighter..


cliffy

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (6 of 8), Read 136 times
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:59 AM
Author:chill55
Email:chill1955@comcast.net

Hi Cliff:
If Ida Known you were gonna be a braggin about the new stuff, Ida dun a better job of shootin...pictures that is.
My aluminum crossframes should be here tomorrow, and a couple of parts that were defective,I'm sorry to say. The top span on the bow assy had no snap to engage the cross member, and the top span on the stern assy, the snap was placed too far back to engage the cross member. Now I was told the aluminum cross member (5) was rudder ready and i really really hope that is true, can you verify this cliffy?
Best Regards
Chris

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (7 of 8), Read 139 times
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 06:43 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

you did fine on the photo.. (:>),,,'
You cant' show it all in one shot.. ha..
On the rudder ready rib.. I've seen and held the frames.. but the parts for the rudder ready rib wasnt' completed when I was last over there.... so.. no.. i've missed acutally seeing that.....
I have some new frames on order.. so I will comment later on whether the snaps will easily match up with older frame snap locations.. I wondered about that.. Mr. Phil works so hard to insure compatibility, but these new ribs reqired new parts to be added.. and the hole for the Snaps is a pretty precise location.. and the added parts to allow the "top span" member to snap in perfect everytime is no longer a molded item.. so construction technique will play into this item being perfect.. rather than a common perfect molded item.
I'm sorry yours didn't fit 1st time.. MR. Phil will make it right.. hope you're a patient guy.. This will add to Mr. Phils knowledge of the product, and he'll solve the issue for sure..
This R&D stuff is tough.. I'm glad I'm an owner and not a designer.. it's tough work.!!

cliffy

Subject: GII Maiden Voyage Lower Coulumbia (8 of 8), Read 107 times
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 06:55 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

Good to see you picked the right color!
Yellow Folbots go on the best trips, you know...
--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Elkhorn Slough, CA, June 2003

Subject: Elkhorn Slough, CA, June 2003 (1 of 1), Read 101 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 02:58 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
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Elkhorn Slough is a beautiful and special place, one of my favorites. Herons, egrets, pelicans, seals and sea lions; channels snaking through the marshes; blues and greens and tans....

Here are a few photos, which do not do it justice.

AnnD

Morro Bay, CA

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (1 of 8), Read 213 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 02:17 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
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What a lovely place to paddle!

Morro Bay is a 4-mile-long inlet, paralleling the Pacific, and separated from it by a shoreful of flowered dunes. On the landward side, it's bordered by a picturesque harbor and lots and lots of marshes. I only had one day there, and so could only cover the duneside and harbor. The marshes are for another day.

There is a decent (free) launch site is along the road to Morro Rock, with parking area, outhouse, and bayside beach. There are ramps in town, but they cost.

Morro Rock at the harbor entrance is one of 9 volcanic plugs that extend inland in a straight line. They were just visible on this foggy day.

Now on this particular day, I had cleverly planned to launch 3 hours before high tide, and ride the incoming current to the end of the Bay and then the outgoing tide back home again. However, I neglected to take into consideration the little-known fact, which I magnanimously pass on to you here, that the movement of a tidal current tends to carry water with it. No, really, it's true! And I can prove it.

As I was riding the rising tide into the Bay, I was thinking to myself, it's Saturday. Look at all this lovely sheltered blue water. Where are all the sailboats? There should be a regatta going on. Strange people, these Morro Bayians. Oh well. Takes all kinds, I guess.

Just about the time I reached the head of the Bay, the current switched directions, as expected. And the wind picked up. So I headed back towards the launch site, congratulating myself on my excellent tidal planning, sheltering myself from the wind by hugging the seaward shore (not, you will note, the shore which had the fishing boats docked against it and the channel markers next to it).

Before long, I was interrupted in my contemplation of the heron-studded dunes by that telltale buh-bump-buh-bump-buh-buh-buh-thud. Hard aground. Oh yeah -- OUTgoing tide. Now I remember. Looking around, I noticed that the water around me was no longer blue. It was tan and green and bottom-colored. But not to worry, there was blue water just a few yards away. So I hopped out and led Tallulah towards the blue. But now it was more than a few yards away. Much more. Eek. Tallulah and I picked up the pace. So did the blue water. Good thing no one on shore had a video camera. Me in my knee-high boots sploshing through the shallows, Yukon in tow, trying to outrun the receding water. Must have been a sight.

So I made it, after backtracking on foot for close to half a mile, crossed the harbor, and hugged the sterns of moored boats until I reached home base.

It was a great day!

AnnD

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (2 of 8), Read 173 times
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 03:04 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Morro Bay is South of SF a ways? Impressive geology. Pillow lava? Those sentinels were herons? Mighty far from water and not on trees?

Nice bowpicker on the left in the sea otter picture.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (3 of 8), Read 154 times
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 09:15 AM
Author:
Email:norquist

A 4 hour drive south of San Francisco. Roughly the halfway point between SF and LA, driving-wise.

--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (4 of 8), Read 143 times
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:41 AM
Author:yakers
Email:yakers@earthlink.net

Morro Bay is one of our favorite paddling areas. Its about 4 hours from LA depending on traffic. (Everything in LA depends on traffic.) There is one well located state park and two other ones nearby. Not to mention nice B&Bs in Baywood Park. There LA a sailing club in the south end of the bay called the Baywood Navy whose motto is "We never sail in water deeper than we can walk in". The area is heaven for birders. In addition to all the local birds it is on the west coast flight route for migrating birds so you can see almost anything there. I Loved your story about the mud. Tides are absolutely critical in Morro Bay as about two thirds of the bay are unpaddlable at low tide. I once saw some teenage boys with water/mud marks up to their armpits who "walked" across the whole bay at a very low tide. The mud there is really d We like to paddle across to the sand spit and use the downwind sail to bring us back to camp.
Now if I can only figure out a way to live there...

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (5 of 8), Read 149 times
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:04 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 6/17/03 11:41:00 AM, yakers wrote:

>Morro Bay is one of our favorite paddling areas. [snip] I Loved
>your story about the mud. [snip] I once saw some teenage boys
>with water/mud marks up to their armpits who "walked"
>across the whole bay at a very low tide.

Willapa Bay in SE WA is like that, on a larger scale. The mud is so soft it can trap you as the tide rises unless you lie down on it prone and "crawl." I bet those boys did a lot of slithering!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (6 of 8), Read 135 times
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 05:28 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I love the story posts and pics.. look forward to them all.. and more than anything love the Otter pics..
cute 'uns..
keep 'em coming..... and have some fun out there ms. Ann..

cliffy

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (7 of 8), Read 109 times
Date: Friday, June 20, 2003 04:43 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

You could never tell from a map what a singular and wonderful place this is. Thanks for the story and the pictures. I hope you are keeping everything you write, and the photos. There's a book there; I'm sure of it.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Morro Bay, CA (8 of 8), Read 106 times
Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 03:06 AM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

I'd like to second that!

How about a "Folbot Paddling the USA" sort of thing? I'm exhausting all the local resources for Tennessee in printed word. Tell me about what else is out there!

you go girl! :-)

pk

Georgian Bay trip

Subject: Georgian Bay trip (1 of 2), Read 119 times
Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 07:49 PM
Author:jasonfcooper
Email:jasonfcooper@hotmail.com

Link goes to my web site with some pics from a Georgian bay trip...

http://www3.sympatico.ca/jasonfcooper


Jason Cooper
Toronto
Yellow Kodiak

Subject: Georgian Bay trip (2 of 2), Read 124 times
Date: Sunday, June 01, 2003 08:39 PM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net

Great pictures! My wife says the plant is a Columbine.


Paul D. Hagewood
Hillsboro, Oregon

Buffalo River (Norfork Lake) Photos

Subject: Buffalo River (Norfork Lake) Photos (1 of 1), Read 122 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, May 26, 2003 05:02 PM
Author:ozarque
Email:ozarque@hotmail.com
Files:2247.JPG, 2248.JPG, 2249.JPG, 2250.JPG, 2251.JPG

Here are my photos of the Buffalo River Trip and Lake Norfork

John H
Yukon

Photos for Prince of Wales 'Vision Quest'

Subject: Photos for Prince of Wales 'Vision Quest' (1 of 2), Read 192 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 18, 2003 12:59 PM
Author:pflyman
Email:pflyman@earthlink.net
Files:2252.JPG, 2253.JPG, 2254.JPG

A re-cap of my trip to SE Alaska is included in "Trips and Contacts". The following photos are from that trip.

Subject: Photos for Prince of Wales 'Vision Quest' (2 of 2), Read 131 times
Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 08:37 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Beautiful shots.. comfy cabin also..
(note a slight green tint to my reply... envy.. sorry.. the yearning hurts a lot.. ha)

cliffy

Shasta Lake

Subject: Shasta Lake (1 of 1), Read 124 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:36 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2255.JPG, 2256.JPG, 2257.JPG

For you folks that are close to Shasta lake there is plenty of water no longer the bathtub ring. Went to Jones Inlet on the Pitt arm end and was looking for shoreline camping. None now that the water is up and also not very clean area for camping. Jones campground was just down the road when out in front of us ran a good size brown bear. Checked out other areas and found them to be fairly decent. Now that the water is up any items that were close to shore when the lake was low is now afloat with plenty of driftwood. Being this weekend the houseboats were still tied up and mostly the fisherman and small boats were moving about. So if you plan Shasta the reservoir is full.
pete

pic file sizes

Subject: pic file sizes (1 of 5), Read 140 times
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 06:56 AM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

Okay, I know I wasn't listening earlier...Will someone mind giving me hints on posting pics that are over 100k? How do you shrink a pic? I have some pics of my rebuilt/modified Big Glider I wanted to post and a pic of my other Big Glider I am going to part with.
Many thanks!!
Scott

Subject: pic file sizes (2 of 5), Read 118 times
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:16 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

If you have Photoshop or like image editing program, poke around for an "image size" menu option. In Photoshop, it's IMAGE->IMAGE SIZE... Your camera or scanner software almost certainly has this option.

Set the resolution to 72 dpi (that's the resolution of the vast majority of computer screens) and choose a decent size (like 4" x 6"). Save it as a JPEG to compress it a tad.


Peter

--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: pic file sizes (3 of 5), Read 119 times
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:42 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 4/29/03 6:56:00 AM, kayakfisher wrote:

>Okay, I know I wasn't listening earlier...Will
>someone mind giving me hints on posting pics that are over
>100k? How do you shrink a pic?

Scott, you may have image-manipulation software on your computer (Photoshop is common). I have used a couple; this one is simpler and cheaper than Photoshop and does everything I need to do:
http://www.acdsystems.com/English/Products/ACDSee/index.htm
IIRC, you can get a free trial version that is missing some aspects. I own the whole suite and find it pretty convenient. It splits the process into an image acquisition/filing system and an editor, with easy shuffling back and forth. The former can drive acquisition from a scanner or similar.

In pixel terms, shoot for 640x480 or so. That usually gives you a filesize of about 60 Kb or so as a jpeg. Anything much bigger is largely wasted, and demands enough bandwidth those of us on dialup whimper when we get an email with more than one photo of the 1600x1200 pixel size.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: pic file sizes (4 of 5), Read 119 times
Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 03:24 PM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net

There are also some free utilities available on the web. John Haide told me about IrfanView, which I downloaded from Tucows. It is freeware and seems to do just about everything. There are also a couple of other high rated packages available at Tucows.

Paul D. Hagewood
Hillsboro, Oregon

Subject: pic file sizes (5 of 5), Read 116 times
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 06:22 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Another small help.. if you have windows 98 or newer.. your "paint" program will help..
open the photo on Paint.. then "save as" a JPEG. it'll usually offer a "compression" screen.. if the file size is still too large, then again opening the photo on Paint .. you can change the image size to ..as Dave and Peter mentioned.. to 640x480 and 72 Dpi..
you may already have what you need to do this easily..
cliffy

spring comes to alaska

Subject: spring comes to alaska (1 of 3), Read 156 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:08 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net
Files:2258.JPG

i had a visitor outside my bedroom window. it seems he is as anxious for the ice to leave as i am. he wants to catch a fish and i want to get the folbot in the water. looks like we will both get our wishes soon.

Newfolboter

Subject: spring comes to alaska (2 of 3), Read 147 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:42 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2259.JPG

That's pretty close for a bald eagle. I think that's what it is. Here is a blowup.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: spring comes to alaska (3 of 3), Read 137 times
Date: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:44 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net

yes, it is a bald eagle. they are very common up here. especially this time of year. they are hungry and waiting for the fish to arrive.

Newfolboter

Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (1 of 8), Read 225 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 05:38 PM
Author:opcme
Email:christopher@buntel.com
Files:2260.JPG, 2261.JPG, 2262.JPG, 2263.JPG, 2264.JPG

Attached are five photos from one of our trips to Sheldon Reservoir, about 30 minutes Northeast of Houston. By late Summer, it is entirely covered in huge lilly pads (up to 3 feet in diameter). The lillies also had large flowers that stand about a foot above the water.

Lots of birds, at least one alligator (sadly his/her photo didn't come out clearly).

Chris
Houston, TX

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (2 of 8), Read 163 times
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 08:37 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Now theres' a place for lunch on the water.. pretty.. looks like a good getaway..
go more.. send more pics..
thanks.....
cliffy

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (3 of 8), Read 165 times
Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 05:54 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Wow -- those are some lilies! Thanks for posting. Cross-country trip coming up -- I'm taking notes!
AnnD

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (4 of 8), Read 162 times
Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:03 PM
Author:JimandKarla
Email:jimandkarla@hotmail.com

Really looks nice to those of us who just braved 3+ foot drifts of snow in the backyard to shovel off the shed before it collapsed. Course that was right after having a "block party" shoveling the street since it's too steep for a snowplow. Fun day!!
Believe it or not, it was 60 degrees just a couple of days ago and I considered taking out the GII.

Thanks for posting the pics

Jim

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (5 of 8), Read 165 times
Date: Thursday, March 20, 2003 04:19 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Does the Reservoir have something special for these flowers to be so BIG!! What do the fish look like...

Nice pictures, keep on clicking, paddling and smiling ;-)

Joanne
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (6 of 8), Read 105 times
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 03:07 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Up here in BC we say things are a lot bigger in Texas. ( why I don't really know ), but those lily pads are really big!

Tiki Island II

Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (7 of 8), Read 92 times
Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 06:42 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

On 4/22/03 3:07:00 PM, tiki island II wrote:
>Up here in BC we say things
>are a lot bigger in Texas. (
>why I don't really know ), but
>those lily pads are really
>big!
>
>Tiki Island II

Imagine the size of the frogs!



Subject: Sheldon Reservoir - Houston TX (8 of 8), Read 95 times
Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 08:26 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 4/24/03 6:42:00 AM, Haith wrote:

>On 4/22/03 3:07:00 PM, tiki island II wrote:

>>Up here in BC we say things are a lot bigger in Texas.
>>(why I don't really know ), but those lily pads are really big!

>>Tiki Island II

>Imagine the size of the frogs!

Yeah, and the 10-story-tall herons!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Alexander Springs - Florida

Subject: Alexander Springs - Florida (1 of 5), Read 158 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 07:58 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2265.JPG, 2266.JPG, 2267.JPG, 2268.JPG, 2269.JPG

Camped at Alexander Springs (78 million gallons/day - 71 degree water year round) for the past (3) days in the Ocala National Forest. Kayaked down the Alexander Creek (4) miles and saw many gators. Made sure to keep kids arms inside the boat. In fact, Game Warden had to kill (shot-gun) a 10' male gator Saturday AM that was on the edge of the swimming area! When I launched the kayak, there was blood all over the river dock from when they dragged the beast ashore......Yuck. Pics of wooden deck/trail is a Timucuan footpath from 1600 years ago.

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Alexander Springs - Florida (2 of 5), Read 144 times
Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 08:27 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 3/18/03 7:58:00 PM, Tsquare wrote:

>Camped at Alexander Springs (78 million gallons/day - 71
>degree water year round) for the past (3) days in the Ocala
>National Forest.

Very cool. What part of FL is this?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Alexander Springs - Florida (3 of 5), Read 148 times
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 05:09 AM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

Alexander Springs is in Altoona, Florida which is literally in the middle of Ocala National Forest. (north central part of state). Orlando is about 40 miles to the southeast. Here is a web site with information on all the cool places in this forest:
http://gorp.com/dow/southern/ocalinfo.htm

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Alexander Springs - Florida (4 of 5), Read 145 times
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 08:15 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Beautiful place.. (I need that.. (:>)..)...
Being spring.. I'd imagine the gator that was hanging around was "protecting" or really thinking hard of protecting his territory.. it's "that" time of year again.. we might be a bit more respectful of their space for a month or two... (I"m not a biologist so dont' know patterns, but during the mating season, they can be more aggressive rather than meek.)
The area is surely pretty. I camped in "MIKE" near Alatchua (spelling??) and spent some time in Wakiwa state park. I'd have to say that Florida offers some really good places for family camping... your pics sure are appreciated.. Those fins on the water, the trees full of semi exotic birds, the quiet... yeah... I need that..
thanks .. keep the reports and pic coming..
cliffy

Subject: Alexander Springs - Florida (5 of 5), Read 142 times
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 01:17 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Nice photos. How can anyone think about swimming if there are possibly gators around?

Tiki Island II

Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (1 of 9), Read 357 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:21 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com
Files:2270.JPG, 2271.JPG, 2272.JPG, 2273.JPG, 2274.JPG

Hello,

It is vacation time these two weeks here, and I sent my two girls Hiriata and Hinamoe with my parents on my native island : Huahine.
There they spend most of the time in the water, the eldest one taking on surfing and my four years old learning the basics of scuba diving with her grandfather.

Last week-end my wife an I went to visit them and of course, my yukon was with me on the plane...

So on that saturday morning, I decided to set off from the inner laguna that here we call "the lake". From there, I got passed the ancient temples by the sea (marae) you can see on some of the pics. Also went thru the traditional fish traps that are still in use in the village of maeva.

From there I circled the island clockwise, paddling without any feeling of rush. Met with a tortoise, sting and leopard rays, a few small sharks ... even some tourists on the motu where i stopped for lunch.

Talking about lunch, I forgot fork knife and spoon at home, but after four hours paddling, I ate everything with my fingers and it was delicious...

Under a bright sun, I went thru faaie, maroe , tefarerii, then parea; I was half thru the circle and had no more water ! A hot day indeed.

So I made a second stop, and a friend of mine gave me 2 fresh coconuts for me to drink on the way back home.

On that second half of the trip the wind was against me, so paddling was somehow more intense, nothing extreme though.

From parea, I got to Haapu, then Maroe again, fitii ... eventually fare where my house stands came into sight.

I decided this was a good day to get out of the lagoon, beyond the protection of the coral reef. There I met with some youngsters on traditional canoes. The waves were gentle enough for me to take some photos of surfers.

I continued my gentle paddling to reenter the lagoon at the pass in the reef that is located right in front of my house.
That pass is called "ava mo'a" (the sacred pass) and I reached it around 6pm.

All in all, without the breaks for lunch and coconuts, I have been paddling 9h30 on that saturday, and it still feels good when I think about it.

This week I was back in Tahiti for business (yeah I do work sometimes) and my mind is already set on the upcoming week-end.
I have decided to tour moorea again for the weather is going to be just fine and lots of dolphins have been seen in the east part of the lagoon.

But that is another paddling report to come.

Best regards.

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (2 of 9), Read 295 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:30 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com
Files:2275.JPG, 2276.JPG, 2277.JPG, 2278.JPG, 2279.JPG

End of the photos series

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (3 of 9), Read 299 times
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 01:38 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Great pictures, moetai!

What are the craft in Contact sheet 6? Are those surf skiis?

Thanks.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (4 of 9), Read 287 times
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 07:24 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com

Dave,

These are typical tahitian outrigger canoes that are called va'a. Va'a is the generic term for all outrigger canoes.
These are "va'a ho'e" (one man canoe); then you also have va'a toru (three men canoe), va'a ono (six men canoe) and va'a tau'ati (twelve men, double hull canoe).
A sailing outrigger is called "va'a ta'ie" (canoe with a sail).

Va'a tau'ati is also the generic term for bigger double hull canoes like the ones that were used for crossing the pacific in the ancient times.
All the modern replicas (Hokulea, havaiki nui, ...) are called like so.

Va'a and its local derivatives is to be found all around the "polynesian triangle" and even further. Havaii, samoans, easter islands, new zealand ... they all have either "va'a" or "vaka" or "whaga".

Best regards.

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (5 of 9), Read 289 times
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 07:41 AM
Author:Harry Shin
Email:shin@slac.stanford.edu

Moetai,

Thank you for sharing your trip with us, especially those of us currently chained, er, sitting at our desks. The vantage point over your Yukon's bow makes it seem like we're almost there ourselves...

(Now if we could only find a way to simulate a warm tropical breeze and play a little Tahitian music :-) )

Harry Shin

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (6 of 9), Read 292 times
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 09:07 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Moetai, thanks so much for the travelogue, the pictures, and the language lesson. I'm loving it all!

I found this map that shows the places you mention:

http://www.pacific-communication.pf/carteHuahine.htm

AnnD

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (7 of 9), Read 270 times
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 05:54 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Enjoyed the pics very much.. realized on the second viewing that there were several shots per attachment...
As an honor to posters of good shots. I print shots like these and put them on the wall behind my desk for others to oogle over... I'm presently and slowly cleaning out my desk.... so they won't be there long I'm afraid... but you've certainly brightened up our otherwise gray and rainy day... thank you very much and keep 'em coming..

cliffy

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (8 of 9), Read 212 times
Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 06:36 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

It must be a tough life. I'm really, seriously jealous!

Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: Folboting Tahiti - A cool day around Huahine (9 of 9), Read 151 times
Date: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:33 PM
Author:
Email:norquist

Great photos. Now that's what a Folbot is born to
do--travel!

Peter
--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

old sporty needs help

Subject: old sporty needs help (1 of 5), Read 140 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 07:39 AM
Author:bugerra
Email:bugerra@cableone.net
Files:2280.JPG

my sporty needs a new seat back and bottom along with a couple of parts
the aluminum piece that goes on the front of the cockpit opening is missing from mine along with the hardware to attach it
i need some tracings of the seat bottom which was not with the boat when i got it
thank you

David
unknown year sporty non folding

Subject: old sporty needs help (2 of 5), Read 122 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 03:15 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

The seat back and bottom are the same as in the Super. Also the front casting for the cockpit is the same. Might make it a little easier to find.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: old sporty needs help (3 of 5), Read 124 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 08:08 PM
Author:bugerra
Email:bugerra@cableone.net

ok then who has a template for the super seat back and bottom parts and does any one have a casting for the front of the cockpit that wants to get rid of it at a reasonable price
thanks
David
sporty owner

Subject: old sporty needs help (4 of 5), Read 129 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:13 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2281.JPG, 2282.JPG

Hi David,
I can come up with the original seat back and seat bottom patterns for you. I believe that was the seat that had about a 1x2 across the back and spanned across between the washboards. It pivoted on 1/4 inch brass bolt ends that rode in brass sleeves in the washboard. The Super and other boats used a seat back that had two small hinges on the back and pivoted on a reinforced rib at the back of the cockpit. I removed the original seat from my 1985 Sporty and installed one of the seats from the new boats. Here are a couple photos.
I will check, but I think you might be able to use the cockpit nose casting from one of the newer boats. That would be available from Folbot.
John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: old sporty needs help (5 of 5), Read 141 times
Date: Saturday, March 08, 2003 08:38 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

That first picture.. is the way to go.. if you aren't stuck in the need to have more or less original equipment.. the comfort levels increase dramatically with the new seat, and the swivel back of the original.. while useable.. is not so terribly needed.. That new seat is the model used on all new folbots.. 40 bucks I think.. easy to install.. allows easier access to underdecks in the back.. I'd recommend it..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

First folbot in Tahiti ?

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (1 of 29), Read 342 times
Date: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 05:54 PM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com

After a few months of searching for the right boat, I eventually bought a yukon, and guess what ? I love it.

I am a tahitian native and was used to paddling traditional outrigger canoes since I was a kid.

But I was searching for a boat that I could stuff with camping and fishing gear to go around the many islands of french polynesia. The beauty of the yukon is that I can do just that and travel between the islands using regular airlines.

So far I have been around the main island (Tahiti), crossed the channel between Tahiti and Moorea, and also toured Raiatea and Tahaa.

My problem is that now, my kids are doing some heavy lobbying for me to buy a greenland !!!

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (2 of 29), Read 236 times
Date: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 06:37 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

What, no pictures??? Are you just teasing us by putting your comments in the "Photo Album" section?

Mark

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (3 of 29), Read 240 times
Date: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 08:39 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Man, you are doing the things that most of us with the possible exception of Ann D. will only be able to dream of. Pictures please!

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (4 of 29), Read 248 times
Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 07:45 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/4/03 8:39:00 PM, bagboater wrote:
>Man, you are doing the things
>that most of us with the
>possible exception of Ann D.
>will only be able to dream of.
The thing about kayaking is that every time you put paddle or pontoon to water, it's an adventure, no matter where you are. In fact, as readers of cliffy's prose know, the adventure starts as soon as you just think about doing it!

But, well, ok, I'll admit Tahiti probably does trump my suburban Severn River, and possibly even cliffy's armchair -- so I'm eagerly anticipating stories and pix -- bring 'em on!

AnnD

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (5 of 29), Read 266 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:13 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com
Files:2283.JPG, 2284.JPG, 2285.JPG, 2286.JPG, 2287.JPG

Ok, sorry for not posting pictures, my browser would not let me do it. So, I changed my browser and (hopefully), here you go. Explanations will follow.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (6 of 29), Read 272 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:01 AM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2288.JPG, 2289.JPG, 2290.JPG, 2291.JPG, 2292.JPG

Wow, Very nice. Looks like paradise to me. Thanks for posting the pictures. Here is a repost of moetai's pictures for the Netscape folks who can't tollerate spaces in file names.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (7 of 29), Read 279 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:25 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com
Files:2293.JPG, 2294.JPG, 2295.JPG, 2296.JPG, 2297.JPG

Hi John,

Sorry for the spaces in the file names.
Here are some other photos.

A funny story by the way about one of these pictures. The island of tahaa (in the leeward islands) has a history of being the home island of some of the greatest navigators in ancient polynesia.

There is one specific islet (here we call it a "motu") on which these navigators were buried after they died. So, for all tahaa natives, this motu has what we call a "tapu" (from which the english word "taboo" comes). The thing is that if you go there after sunset, well, you have to get ready for some weird things to happen.
It is said that the spirits of the navigators wander at night. They are not harmful, they just "live" there ...

Funny thing is that a bunch of investors found that this motu had a good potential for tourism and built the nice hotel you see on the picture.
And what is happening ? ... you guess it ... the hotel is haunted. These are indeed well mannered ghosts (we call it tupapau) : they don't bother the tourists, just the hotel staff ...

While touring tahaa with the yukon, I camped on this motu and talked with some staff members. They all go back to he main island before sunset !!!
The only ones who remain on the motu are the tahaa natives who happen to be family with the tupapau.
Funny isn't it ?
On my camping night there, I did not see or hear anything strange. Maybe I was too tired after 8 hours of paddling from Raiatea. Maybe I was left alone because my mother's ancestors are from tahaa ? I will never know.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (8 of 29), Read 236 times
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 07:54 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Absolutely stunning! I've crossed the Pacific twice by ship and I have never seen water so blue. You truly do live in paradise. Your photography is superb. Thanks so much for the pictures.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (9 of 29), Read 253 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:00 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com
Files:2298.JPG, 2299.JPG

So, what can be said about my little folboting adventures so far?
Well, first thing is to thank folbot for allowing a 6'3 230 pounds tahitian to fit in the yukon, complete with food for 4 days, fishing and camping gear, and even space for a few coconuts...
Second would be a question ? Ok, this thing is of utmost stability, but, hey, how do I get back in it ? First time i tested a simulated capsizing, I wanted to see how I could get back into the yukon filled with water ... well, I could not. I guess the only solution is to loose a few pounds (!) or use the paddle floats.

For now, I just decided the best thing to do was NOT to capsize which, even in surf areas, is quite easy to do with the yukon.

As you can see in the pics, I do live just by the sea, so whenever my job permits (I am an IT consultant), I load my yukon and go.

I am more interested in 2 days or more trips involving camping and trying to fish what I eat. I carry a spear gun and a fishing rod on my deck and have so far managed not to put myself on diet on my kayak trips.

Generally speaking, kayaking in french polynesia is ... fantastic. What were you expecting ?
You can switch from calm lagoon paddling to "sportier" surf kayaking; there are many islets around the "main" islands on which you can camp, and plenty of coconuts for you to drink given you know how to get them.
You also have a lot of crossings between islands that are possible, but you have to keep in mind that the "pacific ocean" is not always pacific...

With a folding kayak however, you want to be extra careful with the coral that could easily (I think) ruin the hull. For that matter, whenever I am in an unknown area, I always put my polarized glasses on. There are not that many complete and accurate maps with depth measures so most of the time you have to rely on your eyes.

I am currently customizing my kayak to put two "masts" at the bow and stern ends. No, not sailing masts, photo masts. I am a photo fan, more precisely, a digital photo fan. I have a big digital SLR (fuji S2) and a couple of smaller compact digicams. The idea is to attach the compact (in their waterproof housing) digicams to the masts to be able to take photos of myself while paddling either from front of behind.
Trick is the masts have to be easy to raise and put down according to the paddling conditions. The bow is easier to deal with for I can use the rudder attachment. I am still wondering how to deal with the stern.
Any ideas anyone ?

My next planned trip will be around the island of makatea. It used to be the number one source of "phosphates" in the 50s, a little like Nauru in the 90s. Now, it remains abandoned, with all the industrial infrastructure. It even has a train ... the only one in french polynesia (not running any more). Makatea has no airport and is a little far to do island hopping. So, the plan is to go there with some friends of mine who are professional fishermen. They will drop me "en route" to their fishing grounds and take me back 4 days after.
And, by the way, did I mention that I am mainly a solo paddler ?
Most of my friends are not into expedition kayaking. They own speed kayaks or tahitian canoes and are mainly "competition" oriented. Outrigger canoe is THE big thing here and every year there is a race between Huahine, Raiatea, Tahaa and Bora bora called "havaiki nui". This is a reference to the ancient tahitian navigators who populated both hawaii, new zealand and easter islands from here.

I will post photos of makatea when I am back.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (10 of 29), Read 257 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:11 AM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2300.JPG, 2301.JPG

One more repost.
Thanks again Moetai. We just need to put underscores in stead of the spaces next time.
Love that sunset.. Awesome
Did you take the church photo from your Folbot?

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (11 of 29), Read 231 times
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 06:42 PM
Author:singramfl
Email:singram@atlantic.net

On 3/6/03 3:06:00 PM, Bobk wrote:
>Folks,
>
>I vote for next Flotilla be in
>Tahiti
>
> Bob K

I second that :)

Steve



Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (12 of 29), Read 236 times
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 03:49 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Wow! Trip report and photos well worth waiting for! Thanks!!!
AnnD

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (13 of 29), Read 229 times
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 06:09 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

This must be fantastic indeed! Your pictures are wonderful, keep 'em coming. It is nice to see the ocean, the sun and the coconut trees after shoveling snow for 2 hours :)

France
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (14 of 29), Read 223 times
Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 08:03 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Folbot sells a nice sail rig with outriggers. I bought the outriggers separately for my old Super. The Folbot mast would easily hold your camera for the front mount. Ask Ann D. about her two masted Folbot for the rear mount. Sailing in your area would be heavenly.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (15 of 29), Read 222 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 06:48 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Excellent! Brought back nostalgic memories of the better times on Guam, a long time ago. Remembering the corals and lavas, I might suggest that you send for the "rub strip" kit if you don't have one already, that additional insurance against such hazards would be worth it when your by yourself.
mike v

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (16 of 29), Read 221 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 07:07 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Maeva!
Years ago Moorings (the sail charter company on Raiatea) mistakenly sent me a chart kit for the Leeward Islands, and I put several on the wall down in the Sailboy Hall of Recreation. I look at these islands and their exotic names and wonder when will I visit.

Are you referring to the resort on Motu Tuuahine, called Vahine Island? I noted that it is only a day mooring and they suggest not staying overnight because of wind shifts. Sounded odd for a tradewind island.

Please post us some photos of the local proas, and other watercraft. Tell us more about the local culture, and the navigators.

For other list members; although the Tahitian Leewards are considered easy sailing, most of the islands are more than 10 miles apart across open ocean. The fall season is approaching with steady 15 knot easterlies. By August (winter) the winds will shift to the southeast, and have a name; Maraamu. The wind blows 30 knots for days and swells easily top 15 feet. As noted, the native boaters are legendary for their navigation skills, traveling thousands of miles in very small handmade boats by a learned memory of the constellations, and sea conditions -provisioning as they go. This is the big-leagues of small sailing.
Sailboy

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (17 of 29), Read 222 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 07:30 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I always think of how pictures don't do a place justice, and then seeing the beauty of these.... I just can't imagine how beautiful it must really be.
We.. {I) certainly am proud to have you join us and post these terrific images ... You are a welcome addition.. and I hope you have plenty to post in the future of trips, and pictures... Here's hoping we can be off assistance to you in whatever needs you have.

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti -- reading material (18 of 29), Read 200 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 02:00 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Sailboy, moetai, all this talk of Leeward Islands, winds with names, and gps-less navigation.... Can you recommend any books on the area? Tales of voyages, non-fiction about winds and weather and navigation? There's still snow on my front porch; lows last night in the teens....
AnnD

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti -- reading material (19 of 29), Read 197 times
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 03:12 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Ann, he didn't write any books about kayaks but Sir Francis Chichester's books are all -fabulous- reading. Try "Along the Clipper Way". Also Joshua Slocum's book "Sailing alone Around the World" is thrilling. Particularly as he was the first to ever do so and he did it in a boat he rebuilt from a derelict and his chronometer was a tin alarm clock that he would boil when it stopped running. And don't miss the book by Dr. Bombard who crossed the Atlantic solo on a rubber raft with -no- food or water. On purpose as an experiment to see if it could be done.
Another good book is "Kayaking Down the Nile"
about,what else, kayaking down the Nile.
Do a search on Amazon.com for these and other kayaking/sailing books. They also sell used books. These should keep you dreaming on those long winter nights.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti -- reading material (20 of 29), Read 170 times
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 06:35 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Ann:
Tim Rock wrote an article for Cruising World mag (January 2003) about a fellow named Mau Pialug - a native of the Yap Islands. The Yapese (and Truk or 'Chuuk') are way down deep in The Federated States of Micronesia. This is the area where the polynesian voyaging skills are still kept.

It seems that Mau just completed a 2 month, 1,200 mile sail north to Saipan (Mariana Islands) and back. They had two canoes, one with 14 men and the other carried 9. "Using only the stars, clouds, waves, and wind to carry them out to sea and home again." (What no GPS?)

Mau Pialug is known as a master navigator in a long tradition and keeps the teaching alive in a curriculum that often lasts decades. Boats are carved from breadfruit trees, and sails are improvised. Knowledge includes the location of "garden" islands where re-provisioning can occur. Apparently there are canoe schools on Ifalik and Satawal Atolls (Yap Islands).
Sailboy

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti -- reading material (21 of 29), Read 162 times
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 09:29 AM
Author:moetai
Email:moetai@yahoo.com

Hi everyone,

Paul Theroux wrote an excellent book relating his visits to the pacific islands in his klepper aerius.

There is also an organisation called the "polynesian voyaging society" that is keeping the ancient way of sailing alive. My granfather (now deceased) was part of it. There was first "hokulea", a double hull canoe that sailed from hawaii to tahiti using stars navigation. But although resembling an ancient "va'a tau'ati", hokulea was made of fiberglass.

Then a group of tahitians went to new zealand (polynesian name=ao te aora = the long white cloud) and built a true va'a tau'ati called "havaiki nui" (havaiki is the ancient name for Raiatea, and the reason after which hawaii was named so).
Havaiki nui was built the ancient way with no modern material whatsoever.
When ready they sailed from new zealand to Tahiti.
There is also another canoe that was built by the cook islanders and sailed to tahiti.
You might found some bulletins about those crossings on the web.

Then there is this spanish explorer who wanted to prove thor heyerdal's theory that polynesian first came from south america on inca style rafts.
He went to easter island (polynesian name=rapa nui (rapa is the island from which the easter island got populated) and with a bunch of indians he brought from lake titicaca they built "mata rangi" (the big eye) on which they tried to reach the marquesas islands. They were not so lucky for a big storm caught them and then, some tiny fleas begun literaly eating the raft.
Eventually they reached the marquesas islands on half a raft ...

I also remember a fabulous argentine sailor who I met when I was in high school. He was a giant of a man and circumnavigated the globe on a 12" wooden monohull he built !
That was amazing. The man barely fitted in the boat (he must have been at least 6'9).
He was cheered by the population here who is very fond of true sea people. Unfortunately I read one year later (that was is 1985) that he was killed by pirates in indonesia.

I will look into my granfather's archives when I find some time; there should be some interesting stuff in there.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti -- reading material (22 of 29), Read 165 times
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:07 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

The Polynesian Voyaging Society...a wealth of information about methods, Thanks!

http://pvs-hawaii.org/navigation/summary.htm Sailboy

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (23 of 29), Read 214 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, March 07, 2003 08:39 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2302.JPG

On 3/6/03 8:03:00 PM, bagboater wrote:
> Ask Ann
>D. about her two masted Folbot
>for the rear mount.

Er, you probably don't want to re-create my monstrosity. It's meant to allow the mizzen mast to be moved to different positions as the spirit moves me and is definitely a first draft! Works on a G2, with a lot of vigilance and re-tightening of wing nuts, but would take up way too much room on a single. Niilus and arczeneb have snazzy rear-mounts for Aleuts, I believe, which might give you some ideas for your Yukon.

What we really need, though, moetai, is not a digital still camera, but a webcam mounted on your Yukon...

I'm attaching a photo of my, um, creation, just to give you an idea of how NOT to do it.

AnnD

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (24 of 29), Read 184 times
Date: Saturday, March 08, 2003 04:47 PM
Author:jww
Email:j1mw@bellsouth.net

These pics bring back memories of the early 70's when I was on Kwajalein, Marshall Islands in the Pacific. The waters are unbelievably clear and blue. Was there only 2 years but always wanted to go back. Never even heard of kayaking back then, but did a lot of sailing (Cal 20's) and diving.

For those young enough and free enough to be adventuresome, I've been told that Lockheed Martin just recently won the range services contract and are currently staffing up. See http://www.krsjv.com

If you can get the right assignment on Kwaj, it is well worth it.

Moetai, you are where most of us can only dream of.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (25 of 29), Read 168 times
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 05:01 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Moetai,
Awesome photos of a beautiful place. Welcome aboard and keep on sharing with us.
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (26 of 29), Read 122 times
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 09:19 PM
Author:jwsaia
Email:jwsaia@yahoo.com

On 3/8/03 4:47:00 PM, jww wrote:
>These pics bring back memories
>of the early 70's when I was
>on Kwajalein, Marshall Islands
>in the Pacific.

In the early 70's I didn't do much except grow hair, but I was in Kwajalein from '92 thru '98. Don't know for sure, but I may have had the first folbot on Kwaj. Probably still have some Kwaj coral embeded in my keel strips. Used to paddle up to Guegegue often or across the lagoon to the west reef. Did a trip from Roi Namur once to camp on an island who's name I can't remember.

Most vivid memory of camping is a trip to Gea, where the jungle floor turned into a carpet of rats around sunset. That same trip I ran into the heaviest sea conditions I ever hope to. GII handled it well though. The wind blowing through the coconut trees that night made it sound more like sleeping next to the freeway than the tranquil experience you'd expect on an unihabited island. Next day it was calm again and the trip back was beautiful.

We decorated the boat at Christmas for the parade of lights a couple of times. Put on a red santa claus hat and beard and paddled up and down the shore.

Great place to live and paddle. Lousy place to work. Stayed 6 years anyway.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (27 of 29), Read 112 times
Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 05:19 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

On 3/15/03 9:19:00 PM, jwsaia wrote:
>In the early 70's I didn't do much
>except grow hair,

If you have any tips on how to do that in the 00's please contact me! :-)

On the bright side...I'm more aerodynamic!

Haith

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (28 of 29), Read 144 times
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:50 AM
Author:yakers
Email:yakers@earthlink.net

Last year my wife & I were able to take a trip to Tahiti/Moorea, Rarotonga and Fiji. We were able to paddle in each place on rentals. She would not let me take my GII as this was "her" trip and it was not to be a paddle centered holiday. These are great places for paddling. In general sit on tops would be the best for snorkeling and diving and especially for coral encounters. Folbots would be just as good for fishing and better for sailing. There are so many little island chains, motus, reefs that any paddle craft would provide great access.We want to return to the South Pacific this year but will probably live off rentals. Generally camping is frowned on so if we are staying in a hotel and paddling out each day its pretty convenient to use local rentals. I am a fair paddler with two Folbots (GII & Aleut), plastic sit on tops and a wood Pygmy kayak, but I had trouble paddling those damn outriggers the locals paddle. Must be some skill involved different than a kayak stroke-and no rudder. How the locals can get those outriggers to go straight and then surf them on some serious waves amazes me.
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Subject: First folbot in Tahiti ? (29 of 29), Read 137 times
Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 08:52 PM
Author:dwalker
Email:dwalker@newwave.net

I would also like to thank Moetai for posting the great pictures and stories and also for taking the time to respond to me off list in response to my inquiry asking him to compare outrigger canoes and kayaks. ( I've been playing around with the idea of building an outrigger canoe )

Another interesting on line read can also be found on what appears to be an older PVS web site

http://www.pvs.hawaii.org/finneyfounding.html

concerning the founding of PVS and three part story about the travels of Hokule'a and all of the emotions and cultural activities resulting from that starting point. I was living on Oahu at the time of the first voyage of the Hokule'a and remember stopping along the waterfront to view the voyaging canoe after that first part of its many voyages of re-discovery . Of course much has happened in the 20 + years since then .

All the excitement in the islands prompted me to purchase two books about the subject

We the Navigators by David Lewis and

Hokule'a - the Way to Tahiti by Ben Finney

For a look at the various canoe types from Oceania I have for the past few months been reading through "the Canoes of Oceania ", which is a new printing of what was originally three separate works originally written back in the 30's . Maybe not as exciting as the other reads listed previously but if you enjoy reading about how the original kayaks were built and used you might find it interesting as well .


regards,

David

Sailing the Southern Everglades - 1

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 1 (1 of 13), Read 221 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:40 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2303.JPG, 2304.JPG, 2305.JPG, 2306.JPG

This has been a great month. First the wonderful camaraderie of the Flamingo Flotilla, visiting old haunts with new (and old) friends, then a week-long solo sailing exploration of the southern 'Glades. I'm finally back, pictures of my solo trek are somewhat organized, so here goes. Beware, I'm feeling long-winded....


TUE (goal -- 10 miles to East Cape Beach):

I launched from the Flamingo Marina into Florida Bay, sailing before a lovely 15-knot breeze. Took my time packing the boat, didn't leave until noon, knowing the wind would have me there in no time. Right. The wind promptly died down.

At 1 PM the GPS showed an average speed of .9 knots with 8 nautical miles to go. Uh oh. Glad I brought a flashlight. And an anchor. I decided that at 3PM I would remove sail and pontoons and buckle down to serious stroking. You guessed it, at 3PM the wind came in strong, but from dead ahead. Paddling against the breeze was slower than sailing, so I settled down for a long beat sailing to windward, still glad of that flashlight.

Made it to the beach just before sunset. Nobody here but me and the critters crackling in the woods. Stars as thick as... soup.


WED (goal -- 10 miles to Northwest Cape Beach):

Not about to make the same mistake, I launched at 8AM. Today the wind stayed strong and on my beam; I arrived at Northwest Beach before 11AM.

I was alone all day -- just me and a resident flock of terns who stood together on the beach, perfect weathervanes.

Except ... at night there were strange lights up the way, around the point. Hmmm.


To be continued....


AnnD

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 2 (2 of 13), Read 203 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:09 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2307.JPG, 2308.JPG, 2309.JPG

(continued)

THURS (goal -- 11 miles to Graveyard Creek):

In the morning I forgot about last night's lights and indulged in the luxury of getting dressed standing up (i.e. outside my tent). Wouldn't you know -- gentleman callers coming up the beach and me with trou around my ankles. Oh well. Turns out a group arrived late last night, out for an early morning stroll.... Pleasanteries were exchanged.

I launched early again, sailed into Graveyard Creek around noon. But the Graveyard Creek campsite was occupied; 3 speed boats were already there, with many boisterous guys lugging coolers back and forth. It's a 4-party site; after the solitude of the beaches, I just didn't want to join them.

So I ignored my Graveyard Creek reservation and sailed on, through Ponce de Leon Bay, up the Shark River complex, into Oyster Bay, taking a chance that the Oyster Bay chickee would be free. It was not.

So I spent a happy, if buggy, night moored to a mangrove island, watching stars and moon through my mosquito netting. (Next time remind me to bring no-see-em netting...)

FRI (goal -- Oyster Bay chickee): Arrived at 7AM, after paddling all of 500 yards from my overnight berth in the mangroves.

Lots of dolphins playing/hunting near the chickee.

On the other platform was the amazing Roger, who bought his first kayak at age 65 last October, and is now on his **return** trip along the Wilderness Waterway from Flamingo to Everglades City. Every night he pulls his kayak up onto the chickee single-handed.


SAT (goal -- 12 miles to North River chickee): The wind was a beaut -- gusting to 30 knots as I sailed across Whitewater Bay and up the North River. With my batwing reefed down to a postage stamp, I zoomed through the waves. Waves washed over the bow and broke on the splashboard. The windward ama smacked into wavetops and splashed me. The G2 bounced along, taking the pounding beautifully. What a ride! I was glad to have a sail -- I doubt if I could have made it across the Bay if I'd had to paddle.

I wish I had pictures of the scene at North River chickee, around 5:30PM, the time when all sensible swampsters should have their dinner dishes done and be thinking about crawling into their tents for the night.

The North River chickee is a small single chickee which, in the words of the Paddlers Guide to the Everglades, "oozes solitude". Um hmmm. Being, in spite of what you may think, a sensible swampster, I was all set to retire, when I heard -- voices?? Huh? Happy voices, kids joking with each other -- what the.... It's late, and thunderstorms are forecast for tonight, "strong cold front" coming through; no traveller caught out without a chickee permit should be doing a whole lot of laughing. I checked my permit, checked it twice, and North River chickee was definitely all mine, but I knew I'd have to make room for these poor off-track trekkers.

Finally the source of the voices appeared: a large green canoe carrying 3 teenage girls came around the bend. OK. Then another large green canoe. And another. Six large green canoes in all. 16 people. Ulp.

They were an Outward Bound group, 12 teenage girls and 4 counselors, not interested in the chickee at all -- just wanted to use the outhouse. They spent the night rafted up near the chickee -- they have sleeping boards that they lash between their canoes. There was much rain and thunder and lightening, but all came through just fine. They are on a 20-day trip! I was impressed!

(to be continued)

AnnD

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (3 of 13), Read 210 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:25 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2310.JPG, 2311.JPG, 2312.JPG

(last installment)

SUN (goal -- 3 miles to Roberts River chickee:

Nice breeze, channels wider than I expected -- managed to sail all the way.

Chickee mates were Bob, Mark and Jerry, who travel with folding chairs complete with beer holders. When I heard Mark ask where the cheese grater was, I knew they were out of my league. They produced wonderful pizzas using an Outback Oven. No brownies, though.

After dark an alligator surfaced right near the walkway that connects the two platforms -- head afloat, rest of body dangling down into the depths. Quite a sight.

MON (goal -- 8 miles to Hells Bay chickee):

I left Bob, Mark, and Jerry preparing to make pancakes, and sailed whooshing down the Roberts River on a swiftly ebbing tide and a 15-kt breeze. Things changed when I turned the corner into the Lane River and had to fight my way against the wind and tide, tacking across the 30-foot-wide channel for 2 miles. But I was determined to sail as much of the route as possible.

The real fun began in Lane Bay, trying to find the passage into Hells Bay. Having too much fun sailing, I lost track of where I was and got myself good and turned around. Facing west, looking shrubbery in the face, where there should be no shrubbery... Yikes. But I had help from my friends -- Ed/seakayaknc who showed me the intricacies of GPS use, Steve/pogo who taught me to draw a 1-minute/1-nautical-mile grid on my chart, and BobK/Gator Bob who says "Always trust your instruments" -- and managed to find a, um, creative route into Hells Bay. This was the only portion of the whole trip that I had had to paddle so far; the passage was so low and narrow that even with mast and outriggers shipped, I was unwittingly gathering more Sierra stove fuel than I could possibly use.

Made it to Hells Bay chickee, finally, where my platform-mates were again the gourmet trio of Jerry, Mark and Bob.

TUE (goal -- 13 miles to Flamingo):

Sailed down the East River, reassured to be following (or so I thought) the route forged by pogo and glisk during the flotilla. On into Whitewater Bay, where a passing Zodiac took my green sail for a navigational marker and set their course for me. Sailed into Coot bay, then finally shipped the sail rig and paddled down windless Buttonwood Canal to Flamingo. For the record, glisk, Buttonwood Canal is 3.1 miles long!

AnnD

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (4 of 13), Read 224 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:01 AM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

All I can say is WOW... great story and looks like you had a great time. My only question is, how in the world did you get that last photo of you sailing away? Some trick with mirrors? :-)

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (5 of 13), Read 224 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 04:08 AM
Author:singramfl
Email:singram@atlantic.net

On 3/3/03 12:01:00 AM, folbot wrote:
>My only question
>is, how in the world did you
>get that last photo of you
>sailing away? Some trick with
>mirrors? :-)


John, a Balogh rig sails so fast I'm sure she just snapped the shutter then hopped in the boat, by the time the pic was taken that's where she was ;-)

(if she'd had her schooner rigged she wouldn't even be in the picture)

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (6 of 13), Read 220 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 06:09 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/3/03 12:01:00 AM, folbot wrote:
>My only question
>is, how in the world did you
>get that last photo of you
>sailing away?

I was relying on the kindness of strangers. When the gourmet trio and I learned we would be sharing chickees for the last 2 nights, Jerry took custody of my camera from Roberts River to Hells Bay so he could snap me leaving and arriving.

Nice folks. Invited me over for mango applesauce on Hells Bay chickee. Some people know how to live!

AnnD

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (7 of 13), Read 222 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 06:38 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

I did notice that Ann, ever being the responsible camper, up in one of the first photos of the beach camp, had expertly put the ice chest containing food well away from camp, in case of bears...Loved the story, where next?
mike v

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (8 of 13), Read 218 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 07:28 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Ms. Ann is my hero.. always doing what I "always wanted to do"... way to go Ms. Ann.!!!!
er... sorry. heroine.. (:>)..
The ultimate solitude, the unexpected friends, the "lights".. all drive my sole to get out there.. You have re-energized my drive .. and yes.. pictures will make the wall.. ..
consider a book.. these are some exciting adventures..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (9 of 13), Read 219 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 07:33 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/3/03 6:38:00 AM, vennard wrote:
>in case of bears...
No bears, no panthers, no gators, but plenty of raccoon pawprints all over the boat and cooler by morning. I had all dry bags and water containers in the tent with me, but left the pontoons inflated in the boat. Great relief in the morning to discover that 'coons do not consider BOSS outriggers a potential food container. That would have put a -- er -- dent in my plans!

>where next?
You never can tell! I hope to zig-zag across the country by van starting in May. Anybody want to build any flotillas along the way?

AnnD

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (10 of 13), Read 217 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 08:35 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Great photos Ann! And that cooler...try and fit that in your fancy narrow little kayak!
Sailboy

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (11 of 13), Read 216 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:44 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 3/3/03 8:35:00 AM, sailboy wrote:
>And that
>cooler...try and fit that in
>your fancy narrow little
>kayak!

Right you are, Sailboy, G2s rule! I took your suggestion and used the cooler as my seat back. Very comfortable!

AnnD

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (12 of 13), Read 217 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 01:06 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Cool, cool, cool pics. Sigh! A few days of aloneness can be a great time to reflect on whatever. To get out of the city and spend some time like that is a treasure. Also have enjoyed the stories and photos coming from the Flamingo. Hat's off and curtsies to you Ann for your hard work planning the Flamingo and your great stories. I'm sure by now you have enough adventures to write a nice book.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Sailing the Southern Everglades - 3 (13 of 13), Read 201 times
Date: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:36 AM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

Wonderful!

Thanks for the stories and photos!

pat

First time out on my new Folbot.

Subject: First time out on my new Folbot. (1 of 3), Read 217 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 04:58 PM
Author:RustyTrawler
Email:walsig@msn.net
Files:2313.JPG

This is a picture of my first time out.
It is Saguaro lake north east of phoenix.
It was mid November and about 72 that day.

Subject: First time out on my new Folbot. (2 of 3), Read 210 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 08:36 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I see a happy man in a red Kodiak... {:>)
On my last visit to the Phoneix area.. I saw this lake.. the hills in the background sure do have a heck of a 3D effect... great area..
Hot.. but great...

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: First time out on my new Folbot. (3 of 3), Read 215 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 09:12 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Hey Rusty Trawler, a great name for a boat. I assume there must have been a rusty trawler somewhere, but what about the story behind it. Have you named your Kodiak yet?

Tiki Island II

My Third Aleut Summer

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (1 of 23), Read 303 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 06:01 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net
Files:2314.JPG, 2315.JPG, 2316.JPG, 2317.JPG, 2318.JPG

Hi all....Here’s my favorite pics from my
3rd Aleut summer. Just beach shots of
Lake Britton and West Valley Reservoir in
northern California and 3 of the Lake Of
The Woods in Oregon. one of which I tried
to get "artistic" on and tweaked the sky in
Photoshop.
Dick Chandler,
Alturas, Ca

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (2 of 23), Read 225 times
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 06:44 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Heck of a place.. pretty fer sure..
Thanks for more shots to put on the wall..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (3 of 23), Read 235 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 03:51 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Thanks for sharing! Neat beaches, must have been fun to explore. Just missing a glimpse of the paddler ;-)

Joanne
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (4 of 23), Read 231 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 07:55 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/24/03 3:51:00 AM, JJG wrote:

>Thanks for sharing! Neat beaches, must have been fun to
>explore. Just missing a glimpse of the paddler ;-)

Lake of the Woods has beaches composed of decomposed volcanic rock, I think. Makes for nice, clean beaches. Could be pumice, but I have not been there for years, so I'm not sure.

What the pictures did not show is that there are usually a lot of bugs there ... mostly muskies.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (5 of 23), Read 234 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 08:09 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Beautiful Calender-quality shots! I've seem professional advertising shots that couldn't compare to those!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (6 of 23), Read 228 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:13 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net
Files:2319.JPG

On 2/24/03 3:51:00 AM, JJG wrote:
>Thanks for sharing! Neat
>beaches, must have been fun to
>explore. Just missing a
>glimpse of the paddler ;-)

Thanks for the comments folks. That
makes all the camera toting worth while.
There’s an obscure glimpse of the
paddler in the Lake Britton thread last
year. There's lots of hiking trails but none
that I know of to this old house site that I
spotted while paddling the shoreline. It’s
just a rock fireplace and chimney in the
woods with no roads. I don’t know it’s
history yet but it was an interesting find.

DC,
Alturas, Ca


Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (7 of 23), Read 221 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 02:42 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

What kind of filters are you using on these shots.. ultraviolet.. cloud..??? Just curious.. they sure are nice shots..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (8 of 23), Read 223 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 03:13 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Thanks a lot cliff.......I use a polarizing filter
and almost always shoot Fuji Velvia slide
film. Then (maybe I’m “cheating”) I scan
and do contrast and color adjustments on
the computer in Photoshop. It gives me
something to do in the winter. I’m happy
that you like them.
DC

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (9 of 23), Read 218 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 06:24 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

DC ... It's not just the stuff you do to enhance the photos, but the composition. They truly put some Pro's to shame. And, I'm not just being nice, because I'm not nice! But, I certainly appreciate an artistic eye in photography. They are 'keepers'; especially the, Lakeofthe woods1 !

gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (10 of 23), Read 214 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 07:55 PM
Author:JimandKarla
Email:jimandkarla@hotmail.com

Ditto on the photo shots - I really enjoyed them. Mostly I enjoy looking at lakes that actually have water in them. Colorado used to look somewhat like that!!

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (11 of 23), Read 198 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 08:39 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/24/03 10:13:00 AM, geezerfloat wrote:

>There's lots of hiking trails [near Lake Britton] but none
>that I know of to this old house site that I
>spotted while paddling the shoreline. It’s
>just a rock fireplace and chimney in the woods with no roads. I don’t know its
>history yet but it was an interesting find.

Those old home sites always make me wonder who lived there, when, what their dreams were, and what they were like.

Lake Owyhee in Eastern Oregon, which is a great place to paddle, incidentally, has a bunch of "retired" cabin sites like the Lake Britton one, a consequence of a BLM policy of reducing the number of cabins at lakeside -- by retiring leases as owners pass on. Poking around often reveals old nails, bottles, and other debris from a different age.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (12 of 23), Read 185 times
Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:54 AM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net


i am intererested in new places to kayak. my wife would like to kayak in the Northwest and any locations you would recommend would be appreciated. also, the best time of year to paddle them.

thanks.

Newfolboter

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (13 of 23), Read 187 times
Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:26 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/25/03 10:54:00 AM, newfolboter wrote:

>i am interested in new places to kayak. my wife
>would like to kayak in the Northwest and any locations
>you would recommend would be appreciated. also, the best
>time of year to paddle them.

Columbia River, Portland to the mouth. Wilder and woolier the closer to the ocean you get. Some tales here:
http://www.kayakplace.com/essay/dkn/dkn.htm

Willapa Bay (SW WA, actually): nice camping and clamming on LOng Island.

Any of the larger Cascade lakes. Drive to Bend and head west to good campgrounds on/near lakes. Forest, lava formations, bugs in summer.

Lake Owyhee near Ontario (OR/ID border): May is best; avoid July and August cause it's too hot. Cool high desert lake with interesting side canyons, and nuclear bass fishing.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (14 of 23), Read 175 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:01 AM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net


thanks for the suggestions. i will be in the Eugene, Oregon area the last half of march. any more suggestions of areas within a rental car distance from Eugene would be appreciated.

Newfolboter

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (15 of 23), Read 179 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:21 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/27/03 12:01:00 AM, newfolboter wrote:
>
>thanks for the suggestions. i will be in the Eugene, Oregon
>area the last half of march. any more suggestions of areas
>within a rental car distance from Eugene would be
>appreciated.

March is tough -- many of the places I mentioned will still be snowbound then. The Willamette is nice then, but I am not familiar with it. I'll email you someon's address who is.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (16 of 23), Read 174 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 02:54 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

Fern Ridge Reservoir just outside Eugene to the West is nice for waterfoul observation. Then there are the lakes down along the coast. Head west of Eugene on hwy 126 and you will come to the Florence area. Woahink and Siltcoos lakes are just south of there and there is nice camping at Honeyman State Park. Many other lakes and tidal waters along the coast.
Here is some info on the Willamette River that will help. Download the Willamette River Recreation Guide .pdf file. It is full of great info.
http://members.aol.com/Mmcbs3/willamette.html

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super, 1985 Sporty and 02 Yukon with Upwind Sail kit.

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (17 of 23), Read 188 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 08:32 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Great shots, geezerfloat.

I particularly like the use of foreground to frame Mt McLaughlin (?) in the background in LOW #3.

Were these shot on transparency film or negative film?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (18 of 23), Read 193 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 08:47 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Kinda makes ya wanna bust out singing "Kodakro-o-oome..... give us those niice bright colors... " well at least you didn't have to listen to my voice .. (:>)
Usually I like any pictures with boats in 'em.. used to -only- buy jigsaw puzzles with those European bays with bright colored boats etc.. These shots surely remind me of those days.. Real post card stuff.. Great..!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (19 of 23), Read 195 times
Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 09:19 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

On 2/24/03 8:32:00 PM, davekru wrote:
>Great shots, geezerfloat.
>
>I particularly like the use of
>foreground to frame Mt
>McLaughlin (?) in the
>background in LOW #3.
>
>Were these shot on
>transparency film or negative
>film?
>
>--
>Dave Kruger
>Astoria, OR
>Kodiak

Yea, thats Mt McLaughlin and these were
shot on transparency film, some medium
format.
Thanks again everyone for your kind
comments...........DC

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (20 of 23), Read 195 times
Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 06:09 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Beautiful shots Dick.

A little secret he let slip is Fuji Velvia slide film. For those of you with 35mm SLR cameras, give Velvia a try. The color saturation is incredible. Of course, having a good camera and using good film doesn't make you a good photographer, but it helps. I often laugh when I hear someone ask a good photographer what type of camera they use. It's not the camera, it's the photographer...

mtm2525

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." (Will Rogers)

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (21 of 23), Read 185 times
Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 01:31 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Reminds me of a saying in the Maintenance areas...
"buy -Craftsmen-... be one.."
NOT...
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (22 of 23), Read 144 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:19 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net


your photos are great. where exactly is the Lake of the Woods in Oregon? i will be down that way next month and would like to scout around for some kayak spots.

thanks.

Newfolboter

Subject: My Third Aleut Summer (23 of 23), Read 153 times
Date: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:50 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

On 2/27/03 10:19:00 PM, newfolboter
wrote:
>
>your photos are great. where
>exactly is the Lake of the
>Woods in Oregon? i will be
>down that way next month and
>would like to scout around for
>some kayak spots.
>
>thanks.
>
>Newfolboter
I just responded to your email but I
thought that I should post it here also just
in case someone else wants to find it on
the map. It's on Highway 140 midway
between Medford and Klamath Falls.
Cheers,
DC


Northern Everglades Sailing

Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (1 of 8), Read 334 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 06:37 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy
Files:2320.JPG, 2321.JPG, 2322.JPG

Not the group flotilla. Here are some photos from the other end of the park - Chokoloskee area, taken last month. We had a canoe rig sailer and the G2. A photo of the G2 cocpit shows some of the rigging as we approach Pavilion Key. Don't let the sunny weather fool you, it was record cold. Air in the 60's, water in the low 60's.
sailboy

Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (2 of 8), Read 247 times
Date: Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:54 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Good shots.. and great place..
envy... envy... envy..
and on the cold.. in florida.. aint' it "a different kind of cold" ??? (:>).. ha

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (3 of 8), Read 235 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 06:02 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

On 2/16/03 11:54:00 AM, cliffy wrote:
>in florida..
>aint' it "a different kind of
>cold" ??? (:>).. ha

Yeah, its one of those, "wow, I wish I had brought a warmer sleeping bags" kinda cold.


Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (4 of 8), Read 219 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 04:20 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Nice photos! You have a great setup. I can see why you love sailing her. Your photos tweaked me mind. If the canoe sailed with you, can you give us some comparisons to the G2 for handling, speed etc.? What about the absence of outriggers on the canoe? Was it able to stay with you in the conditions shown in the 3rd photo? It just seems that the G2 would be much more seaworthy, but maybe the canoe has some characteristics that are ok.

Tiki Island II


Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (5 of 8), Read 225 times
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 09:00 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

On 2/17/03 4:20:00 PM, tiki island II wrote:
>If the canoe sailed with you, can you give
>us some comparisons to the G2
>for handling, speed etc.?
The canoe is a kevlar 18 foot canoe that weighed about 60 lbs empty, it had an installed frame for the mast partner due to the lack of rigidity inherent to the light construction. So the boats are similar in weight. The sail on the canoe was a 32 sf sail that seemed to provide similar speeds as my 38sf. Handling was restricted by the stability issues related to sailing, canoe construction and hull shape.

What
>about the absence of
>outriggers on the canoe? Was
>it able to stay with you in
>the conditions shown in the
>3rd photo? It just seems that
>the G2 would be much more
>seaworthy, but maybe the canoe
>has some characteristics that
>are ok.
The owner knows the boat and was able to handle some pretty heavy winds (25knots) and chop (2-4ft). He had limited ability to change point of sail, and in fact the 3rd photo shows me sailing alone because he has chosen a more direct downwind point rather than my reaching point of sail. I think this outing convinced him of the merits of outriggers-you can handle a wider range of conditions, have more options for pointing, and you gain a margin of safety by knowing that your boat is more seaworthy.

I found that the folbot, when fully loaded, had a tendency to "pearl" the chop. This decreased during the trip as provisions were consumed, and weight was re-set. Several times I took green water over the bow and into the cockpit. Not enough to be a problem, but it made me glad to have added the big float bags fore and aft. In this case I was able to stall up to the wind, reef down, bail out, and take off again with a different tack that put me
on an angular approach to the chop - all things that the canoe sailor (without outriggers) was not able to do.
Sailboy




Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (6 of 8), Read 219 times
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:48 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Thanks a loads for that info. I find that kind of stuff interesting. Sometimes I think about adding a sail rig to my Tripper but I don't think I would be happy with it.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (7 of 8), Read 141 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:42 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Sounds like a great trip, Sailboy! What was your route? Any suggestions for someone who might want to follow in your footsteps -- er, wake? Are the oyster beds as nasty as they're cracked up to be? Did you stay in Chokoloskee or Everglades City at all? Where did you launch from and how much did it cost you (:>)? Etc, etc, and so forth....

I scouted the area out just a bit a couple of weeks ago, wondering if it might be an alternate flotilla location. Couldn't find a campground that could accommodate masses of Folboters. Plus, all the decent launch sites seemed to charge $10/day. I watched some canoers drag their boat off the end of the way-too-short "launch ramp" at the rangers station into thigh-deep muck at low tide....

But it sure is a beautiful area!

AnnD

Subject: Northern Everglades Sailing (8 of 8), Read 139 times
Date: Monday, March 03, 2003 04:32 PM
Author:
Email:sailboy

On 3/3/03 10:42:00 AM, AnnD wrote:
>I watched
>some canoers drag their boat
>off the end of the
>way-too-short "launch ramp" at
>the rangers station into
>thigh-deep muck at low
>tide....

Yeah, that was my launch site. Really, really pitiful. Meanwhile the NPS has built a massive marina for running tourist barges out of. Our tax dollars at work. I spoke with the folks at a Chokoloskee campground that said they had a boat ramp, and camping facilities, but never checked it out. There are some locations on the Chokoloskee causeway that would work for a quick put in.

The 10,000 islands area is alot like the Cape Sable-outside beaches area that you visited. Picture perfect sunsets. The coral marl, and oyster shells were common, but wear strips on the hull seemed to do the job- with care not to drive the boat onto the beach. Every day ended with an unload and carry.

The biggest challenge is the large tidal swing - 4-5 feet. Which in this skinny water meant that you could find the beach 1/2 mile out at low tide. Unless we were willing to carry our boats, we often had to wait until late in the morning to get a high tide to float them. And the cart was of limited value in the soft muck.

Can't wait to go again- wiser and better prepared. I think March-April would give more predictable trade-wind conditions, and great sailing. Leave from Flamingo, sail to Chokoloskee.
Welcome back!
Sailboy





Underway on gas power

Subject: Underway on gas power (1 of 19), Read 365 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:54 AM
Author:
Email:dmaker
Files:2323.JPG

The maiden voyage of my G2.

Subject: Underway on gas power (2 of 19), Read 259 times
Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:41 AM
Author:rgaines
Email:rgaines@sprintmail.com

You didn't happen to measure your speed did you?

I used to sometimes use a small gas motor on my Super years ago. The Super seemed very fast under motor power - probably only 6-7 mph? The motor was handy for shuttling several miles up a river. Then we could spend hours leisurely paddling and drifting back down stream to the car.


Robert - West MO - USA

Subject: Underway on gas power (3 of 19), Read 253 times
Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 01:46 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

looks like one of the "Go devil" varieties..
Looks like a good time was had.. smiles on both occupants.. (:>)...

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Underway on gas power (4 of 19), Read 249 times
Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 04:37 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

My trusty navigator (and backup power unit) had a GPS with him. It said we were making 6.8 knots over ground, and I think there was little in the way of currents in the yacht basin where we did our time trial. We got some odd looks from the yachtsmen as we tore around in there.

I have adjusted the engine mount since that photo was taken to move the engine inboard a few inches. It's a fun setup.

Subject: Underway on gas power (5 of 19), Read 227 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:07 AM
Author:rickbkis
Email:rickb@infowest.com

Looks like a do. How 'bout some details (mount, motor brand and type, fuel carrying and usage?)

rickb

Subject: Underway on gas power (6 of 19), Read 220 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 08:53 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

The motor is a 1958 Zundapp Delphin. Part of it's appeal to me is it's offensiveness to the all too common self-proclaimed kayak purists. With this device attached my folbot is transformed into a two-strokin' blue-smokin' (but surprisingly quiet) speed machine. I run down any whales that get in my way. The motor is described in much detail at a german folder fan site:

http://der.poly.bei.t-online.de/fbb-zuendapp-seitenborder.html

I have not had the motor long and am still in the process of extending my radius of trust. I don't venture further than I would care to paddle back with the motor shipped inboard. The cooling system is best described as bizarre. Water is pumped up the shaft housing and sprayed onto the exterior of the otherwise air cooled cylinder head. This is not reassuring in salt water. Reduction gearing between the engine and shaft means that the 9.5 inch prop turns at a reasonable rate. A long flexible tube leads from the carburettor so that it can be positioned so as not to draw in water. They provide two starting systems: the 'emergency' starter visible on the front of the engine and a steel cable recoil starter with tee handle and a clever seal to keep water out of the electrics. It balances nicely for carrying by a handle on top of the gas tank and can be split with no tools into engine and drive train.

Subject: Underway on gas power (7 of 19), Read 225 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 09:21 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty cool.. and they thought the Weed eater was a new invention.. ha..
I admire semi antiques.. and ..it's your boat.. you may modify it as you like..
I hope you're kidding about the whales though.. ha..
plow on .. looks like fun.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Underway on gas power (8 of 19), Read 234 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 09:24 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

dmaker, did I read that right -- the outboard is vintage 1958?
That's as old as Cliffy!
Are you using a replica or an original?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Underway on gas power (9 of 19), Read 233 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:44 PM
Author:
Email:dmaker

Seriously, no need to worry about the whales. We have an understanding. Legal issues of marine mammal harassment aside, with anything that big I follow the unwritten rule of avoidance of collision at sea: tonnage = right of way.

And yes indeed, it is a genuine barely used 1958 Zundapp. Only the fuel line and air hose were a little perished. It came to me through the remarkable generosity of an acquaintance who knew I went kayaking (His family had been Klepper importers many years back). I opened it up as far as seemed prudent before sparking it up, but it looked pristine and started on the second pull. There is even an electrical connection that I suspect is an alternator output for kayaking essentials like lights and stereo.

Between it and my parafoil I've got upwind and downwind handled.

Anyone notice that if you run messages to this board through the built in spell checker it flags 'kayaking' as an error?

Subject: Underway on gas power (10 of 19), Read 235 times
Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:55 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/17/03 10:44:00 PM, dmaker wrote:

Cool beans on the outboard. A museum piece.

>Anyone notice that if you run messages to this board through
>the built in spell checker it flags 'kayaking' as an error?

Also sprayskirt, Kodiak, and others. And most any French word.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Underway on gas power (11 of 19), Read 230 times
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:50 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

On 2/17/03 9:24:00 PM, davekru wrote:
>dmaker, did I read that right
>-- the outboard is vintage
>1958?
>That's as old as Cliffy!
******* Nope.. I'm older than that (more than a few years older) .. and fortunately.. no replicas.. ha..


cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Underway on gas power (12 of 19), Read 220 times
Date: Thursday, February 20, 2003 04:45 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Congrats DMaker on your maiden voyage. We like to see those happy faces! Don't you get a speeding ticket now...


France & Joanne
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: Underway on gas power (13 of 19), Read 202 times
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 06:39 AM
Author:blackbird
Email:jksid@wcoil.com

That motor definitely looks like something I'm going to have to investigate. As much as I enjoy sneaking up on wildlife, the peace and serenity of paddling, etc., there are times when I'd love to give my arms a rest and let Mr. Honda (or whoever) do the work. I'd be interested in hearing about your thoughts, experiences, expenses, etc. with this form of propulsion.

Blackbird

Subject: Underway on gas power (14 of 19), Read 182 times
Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 07:10 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

On 2/23/03 6:39:00 AM, blackbird wrote:
>That motor definitely looks like something I'm going to have to investigate.

You will never find another motor like the Delphin -- quiet, think of that! -- nor another company like the late, lamented Zundapp (can't find the umlaut on a PC keyboard). They made heavily-built, flat-twin motorcycles, too.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Underway on gas power (15 of 19), Read 161 times
Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 07:46 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

On 2/17/03 8:53:00 PM, dmaker wrote:
> ..... This is not reassuring in salt water.....

The site you give mentions that the Delphin was designed for fresh-water use. It gives all kinds of tips for salt water use, such as coating some of the bits and pieces with an anti-corrosion grease that was sold in the 50s. It also says don't let any salt water into that carb intake tube! :) I would think you wouldn't want fresh water in there, either.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Underway on gas power (16 of 19), Read 177 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:00 AM
Author:
Email:dmaker
Files:2324.JPG

My German is not so good, but I think the site goes something like this:
If ze sparkenmaker a wettinbegettin it will likely schtoppenwerken or possibly firebestartin followed by schwimmenhome.

I do have some experience with underway repairs of single cylinder engines, mostly gained on the machine visible behind the nose of the (obligatory content) folbot in the attached picture.

Subject: Underway on gas power (17 of 19), Read 180 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:30 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

I'm married to a Kraut and I'd say your Deutsch ist gewerkin fine! At least I understood it! My Frau may twitch a bit, but what the heck, eh?!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Underway on gas power (18 of 19), Read 166 times
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:41 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Ach ya. The tales mine grosenfadder tolt. Be sure a porchenclimbintheafenstealer dos nacht get it.


Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Underway on gas power (19 of 19), Read 165 times
Date: Friday, February 28, 2003 07:57 AM
Author:Harry Shin
Email:shin@slac.stanford.edu

dmaker,

Is that a Royal Enfield? I've been thinking I'd like to buy one of the bikes which is imported from India, but they're not California-legal. I've even asked a friend who has relatives in India about getting me a bike, they cost ~$1,700 in Madras. One problem is storage; I already have three motorcycles :-)

Recognizing this is a kayak forum, could you e-mail me offline; I have a few Royal Enfield questions.

Thanks,
Harry Shin

Columbia Paddle

Subject: Columbia Paddle (1 of 11), Read 301 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:22 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2325.JPG, 2326.JPG

Took a mid summer paddle on the Columbia. Start was from Dibblee point which is at about river mile 61 on the Oregon side just south of Rainer. Launched from a nice sandy beach at high tide. Headed down river in the south channel. The river here has a string of islands about four miles long that divides the river about 2/3 surface on the north side where the ship channel is and about 1/3 on the south side.

The south channel ranges from about 1/4 to almost 1/2 mile wide just to give you an idea of the dimensions. The islands are not visited by any people to speak of so there is plenty of wild life. Saw some eagles and plenty of other bird life. At one point I noticed a critter traveling parallel on the shore of the island and went over slowly for a closer look. (See fox picture) I am pretty sure this was a fox. As I got closer he got nervous and just before I took the picture he turned headed back the other way.

Had some lunch on a nice beach the end of the island string (Walker Island). See first picture, me on the log, should have got the boats in the picture, they were beached just around the corner. When we got there the westerly winds started to blow but that was ok because they would push us on the way back. A nice trip that I will do again.

Mark

Subject: Columbia Paddle (2 of 11), Read 218 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, February 06, 2003 03:51 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2327.JPG, 2328.JPG

On 2/5/03 10:22:00 PM, MARKSP8 wrote:

>Took a mid summer paddle on the Columbia. Start was from
>Dibblee point which is at about river mile 61 on the
>Oregon side just downriver of Rainer.

That's a nice stretch of river, Mark. Looks like very low water at Walker. Here's a picture of the same beach, from 2001.

We Folboters camped on the main channel side of Walker in 2001 (see picture -- from a different trip).

I think that's a coyote, but I'm not sure.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Columbia Paddle (3 of 11), Read 210 times
Date: Thursday, February 06, 2003 07:38 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

I was gonna say the same thing, Dave .... sure has that Coyote look about it, but not having been there .........
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Columbia Paddle (4 of 11), Read 187 times
Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 07:22 PM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net

looks like a coyote to me, too.

Newfolboter

Subject: Columbia Paddle (5 of 11), Read 157 times
Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:27 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

He may look like a coyote but he was only about 12 inches high at the shoulder - so he must have been a pup.

Mark

Subject: Columbia Paddle (6 of 11), Read 161 times
Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:39 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/12/03 11:27:00 PM, MARKSP8 wrote:

>He may look like a coyote but he was only about 12 inches
>high at the shoulder - so he must have been a pup.

That's small for a coyote, for sure. Very cool that they swim between islands. I've seen coyote sign on islands nearer to Astoria, but none up where you were, that I recall. I've seen deer swimming in the Columbia, also.

Not much in the way of small mammals for them to eat on the smaller islands, so it could be they migrate from one to another to "shop around."

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Columbia Paddle (7 of 11), Read 161 times
Date: Thursday, February 13, 2003 06:51 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

From my side..nothing cool about a coyote..
Some "thoughtful" individual.. imported a few to the lower 40 down here (illegaly I'm sure) .. now they have multiplied and ran rampid.. and aren't welcome.. Please come and get a few to take back..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Columbia Paddle (8 of 11), Read 140 times
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 05:06 AM
Author:Glisk
Email:glisk@stny.rr.com

*grin*

Funny thing ...some thoughtful individual imported a bunch of europeans around here a few years back and now they've multiplied and become a real nuisance.

You literally can't turn around quick without tripping over one and their dens and leavings are EVERYWHERE. They tend to attack in hordes without provocation so best you watch your behavior carefully lest you somehow violate their established social order.

The big difference is coyotes are a natural part of the local ecosystem. (usually held in check by wolves..hrm ...now where did all the wolves go?)

:)

Subject: Columbia Paddle (9 of 11), Read 143 times
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 07:15 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/19/03 5:06:00 AM, Glisk wrote:

>*grin*

>Funny thing ...some thoughtful individual imported a bunch of
>europeans around here a few years back and now they've
>multiplied and become a real nuisance.

The Columbia has its share of non-indigenous species, for sure. No wolves (which were here long ago), but these have been imported:

raccoons
nutria (fur-bearing rodents from S America)
carp
bass
shad
Chinese mitten crab (in the salt)

and, a host of plants, two of which are rapidly degrading the wetlands: yellow iris and purple loosestrife.

Seen all of these except the crab from my Folbot.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Columbia Paddle (10 of 11), Read 128 times
Date: Friday, February 21, 2003 06:53 AM
Author:Glisk
Email:glisk@stny.rr.com

Are you certain raccoons are not native? They live happily all over North America.

Subject: Columbia Paddle (11 of 11), Read 133 times
Date: Friday, February 21, 2003 08:03 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/21/03 6:53:00 AM, Glisk wrote:

>Are you certain raccoons are not native? They live happily
>all over North America.

No, now that you have asked, I am pretty sure I cornfused them with opossums -- they were imported to this side of the Rockies, but I believe you are correct -- raccoons were here by the time Europeans arrived. I know raccoons were imported to the Queen Charlotte Islands, though.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Beware of off-brands

Subject: Beware of off-brands (1 of 6), Read 334 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 08:11 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2329.JPG

Gator Bob dabbling in the non-Folbot world near Geiger Key, Florida. Famous last words: "Drat! Where's my Folbot? I packed the wrong boat!" At the Flamingo Flotilla, I suggest all keep their cameras trained on Bob. There is bound to be a photo-op sooner or later!
AnnD

Subject: Beware of off-brands (2 of 6), Read 269 times
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 08:29 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 1/23/03 8:11:00 PM, AnnD wrote:

>Gator Bob dabbling in the non-Folbot world near Geiger
>Key, Florida. Famous last words: "Drat! Where's my
>Folbot? I packed the wrong boat!"

Guy took one of these down the Columbia on our 2001 Folbot trip, and he changed the logo on one side to "Folcraft" and on the other side to "Featherbot." Some kind of hybrid.


--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Beware of off-brands (3 of 6), Read 272 times
Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 07:03 AM
Author:Glisk
Email:glisk@stny.rr.com

Hrm ..being a novice in these matters I can't tell if he's demonstrating an exit or entry technique.

He IS of course going to demonstrate it for the class at Flamingo right? :)

Subject: Beware of off-brands (4 of 6), Read 269 times
Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:19 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I think I recognize that manuever...
me thinks it's the famed "grab a fish and wave" .???
I've actually used it twice in canoes..
seems noone is ever able to hold on the fish though..?? Bob will need practice I'm sure.. (:>)

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Beware of off-brands (5 of 6), Read 183 times
Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 04:36 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

I should like to go public with the truth concerning this photograph. Ann took a photo of my head and pasted it upon the body of someone else.

Of course those of you who are aware of my great paddling skills knew immediately this had to be a doctored image.
Bob K

Subject: Beware of off-brands (6 of 6), Read 182 times
Date: Saturday, February 15, 2003 06:58 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I dont' know Bob.. looks to me like you were just fishing with your hands.. and waving to signal you'd caught a big 'un.. (:>)... Feather.. no Feather.. aaaaah.. we are forgiving folk..
(Pretty good face paste job Ms. Ann.. he he)

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Full moon paddle

Subject: Full moon paddle (1 of 13), Read 317 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:50 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2330.JPG, 2331.JPG, 2332.JPG, 2333.JPG, 2334.JPG

On Saturday Dave and myself paddled the Colorado River starting late in the afternoon using the full moon on our return. Paddling south the Orion constellation was high above and the bright stars were reflected on the calm waters of the Colorado. It was a sunny day to start with the night cool and no wind a very peaceful paddle.
pete

Subject: Full moon paddle (2 of 13), Read 218 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:55 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2335.JPG, 2336.JPG, 2337.JPG

Few more pictures.
pete

Subject: Full moon paddle (3 of 13), Read 215 times
Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 06:18 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

WOW! Awesome pictures.
Picture 23 is a keeper (even if it is a Nautiraid in the picture :-)
Question for you...in picture 16, is that a walkway along the cliff face on the right hand side, or what is it if it's not.
Regardless...you would not catch me on it :-)

Thanks so much for sharing them with us. They are all very nice pics.

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

PS We had a beatiful full moon here Saturday night...the clear sky that made it visible contributed to the -30.3 C temperature (yes that is a minus sign...unfortunately :-)

Subject: Full moon paddle (4 of 13), Read 214 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 09:35 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2338.JPG

On 1/20/03 6:18:00 AM, Haith wrote:
Question for you...in picture
16, is that a walkway along
the cliff face on the right
hand side, or what is it if
it's not.
Regardless...you would not
catch me on it :-)

That walkway on the cliff was built for the person who worked for the Geoligical survey back in the 30's after the dam was built living in a one bedroom house above waters edge. He would walk to a cable car at two places and take measurements of how much the water was rising. From there he would take the walkway around the cliffs to a trail to another gauging station, take the cable car across the Colorado. If you look close behind Dave's hat you will the other station. Up close it does not look so bad the trail is visible with steps and the walkway looks like the wood was changed and not weathered. But the cable car looks very old. Next time out I'll take a picture of the cable cars.
pete


Subject: Full moon paddle (5 of 13), Read 215 times
Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:15 AM
Author:paco
Email:pglarson83@aol.com

Absolutely beautiful pictures! I'm so jealous.Thanks for sharing them with us.Guess I'll have to daydream a little longer before the weather and ice clear for paddling here at home!!!!!!!!!..........paco

Subject: Full moon paddle (6 of 13), Read 214 times
Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 12:08 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Wow, Pete, I am amazed at the heavy concentration of vegetation along the shore. I assume that is tamarisk, yes?

My son and I did the last 50 miles of the Green in Utah 4 years ago, and were blown away at how thick it can be. Not what we expected in an arid region.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Full moon paddle (7 of 13), Read 212 times
Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 02:33 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

"Awesome" ..seconded...
just the quiet alone would be worth a million bucks.. add the scenery.. Wow..
I'm eating this up.. send all you want.. !!!

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Full moon paddle (8 of 13), Read 183 times
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 08:38 AM
Author:Glisk
Email:glisk@stny.rr.com

I happened to noticed one of the pics you uploaded was 260K-ish in size. How'd you manage that?

(Nice pics btw)

Subject: Full moon paddle (9 of 13), Read 181 times
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:12 AM
Author:newfolboter taylorr0@bp.com or
Email:rjtaylor@gci.net

your photo 016 shows a walking path cabled to the right cliff. i have never hiked wearing a pfd, but would seriously consider wearing one on the path.

Newfolboter

Subject: Full moon paddle (10 of 13), Read 181 times
Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:53 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Maybe a parachute, too?!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Full moon paddle (11 of 13), Read 82 times
Date: Monday, August 11, 2003 08:43 AM
Author:jinylyn
Email:vperrin@cableusa.com

I paddled this section in a canoe several years ago. Hiking the trail is not as bad as it looks, though I did encounter a small rattler trying to guard the trail. It's a great place to paddle.

Subject: Full moon paddle (12 of 13), Read 80 times
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:02 AM
Author:
Email:norquist

Full moon paddles are fun! No itchy waistband, no constricting...oh...you mean that kind of full moon.

Never mind...
--------------------------------------
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly
distributed.

GII
Pakboat 16' canoe
Pakboat 12' kayak

Subject: Full moon paddle (13 of 13), Read 78 times
Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 07:31 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Super photo's as usual Pete.. thanks.. I particularly liked #22.. waining sky light and still illuminated the deck..
Night paddles are super.. so quiet.. so 'wild'.. and yet so peaceful.. been there done that..
proceed with care... take advantage of the night when possible.. it's a totally different experience..
cliffy

Folbot Explorer

Subject: Folbot Explorer (1 of 2), Read 169 times
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:41 AM
Author:windwalker1
Email:winwalker@fastmail.fm

Im needing photos or info on the Explorer Folbot. It was the Expedition and forerunner of the Sporty
Thanks
John

Subject: Folbot Explorer (2 of 2), Read 158 times
Date: Thursday, January 16, 2003 09:12 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

I hope you are going to write a book on Folbots. Seems like there aren't ever enough books on kayaking especially with Folbots.
73 Gary



n 1/16/03 10:41:00 AM, windwalker1 wrote:
>Im needing photos or info on
>the Explorer Folbot. It was
>the Expedition and forerunner
>of the Sporty
>Thanks
>John



Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Barney Lake in OR

Subject: Barney Lake in OR (1 of 5), Read 203 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, January 11, 2003 08:28 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2339.JPG, 2340.JPG, 2341.JPG

Hi All,

In late fall I went to see if I could get into a lake I had tried all summer to paddle. The problem is that this is a very out of the way lake (I bet even Dave K doesn’t know this one). You have to run a maze of unsigned logging roads to get there. Much of the land is owned by Weyerhaeuser Corp. and they lock access gates at their whim. Even through this is in the Oregon costal range, dry conditions this summer and fall caused the gates locked most of the season.

I’m not sure of the size of the lake in terms of surface acres but to explore all of its shoreline is a good long paddle. I have included a picture (picture1) from a State Watershed web site so you can get an idea of the scale. I was up there in November and the water level was low. Most of the banks are steep and there are no ramps. So to launch I had to carry my Kodiak across about 150 – 200 yards of exposed bank in the one place it was not as steep. That is a little awkward carrying most of the weight on you head and trying to keep it balanced the boat with you arms, a cart would not have worked.

I was happy to get launched because I had to work for this one. Paddled to the upper end toward the major inlet. Up at that end was a half submerged deciduous forest (Picture3). I weaved my way back as far as possible and felt like I was back in the swamps of Louisiana minus the Spanish moss.

Paddled out and toward the dam end. I was thinking there was no way I would see and other people all day when a helicopter swooped in over a ridge with one of those big buckets used for firefighting dangling down and filled the bucket up and was off again. It was too far to get a picture – sorry, that would have been cool. As it turned out there was a small fire on a ridge about ten miles away that the chopper was attending to.

In one of the inlets I took a picture of a sign (picture2) that was very interesting. At anywhere near normal levels this sign would be about 10-20 feet below water. What do you think the sign means - "24 hour Surveillance and Trapping”??

A really nice day but I was beat after carrying the boat back up to the vehicle.

Paddle-On

Mark

Subject: Barney Lake in OR (2 of 5), Read 177 times
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 09:25 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Cool place.. thanks for the story and photo's..
While not nearly as remote and wild... they often add resevoirs here in Ga.. and at first they are remote and relatively untouched.. just great to explore.. wildlife is not accustomed to visitors and are sometimes curious to watch us rather than just run away.. if they see or hear us at all.. (came across a Weasel like this one day.. very uncommon)
Seems you have found a real treasure.. keep up the search, and keep sending those reports.. I . for one. love 'em..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Barney Lake in OR (3 of 5), Read 170 times
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 03:46 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Barney Lake OR is a new one on me -- looks like one of many small lakes set in the Coast Range, maybe this one is near/on the old RR route to the coast. The sign is a mystery to me, unless the city of Hillsboro is chasing nutria or something.

For nutria, a Folbot deck-mounted with a 50 cal would be my choice. I don't like nutria.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Barney Lake in OR (4 of 5), Read 171 times
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 05:57 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

Dave,

This lake is actually at the very headwaters of the Trask River. It is also a water supply for the city of Hillsboro. I'm not sure how old the dam is but everything looks pretty new up there. Don't think there is any nutria up there but who knows. I heard that the surveillance and trapping were an attempt to catch Bigfoot. That is after all Sasquatch country.

Subject: Barney Lake in OR (5 of 5), Read 171 times
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 07:38 PM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net

Barney Lake sounded vaguely familiar, but I couldn't place it. Marksp8 said something about water resources on the web, so I did some research. You can get the stats on Barney (and a lot of other water) at the Oregon Water Resources Department's web site: http://www.wrd.state.or.us/. The specifics on Barney are at:

http://www.wrd.state.or.us/cgi-bin/dam_detail.pl?dam=OR00525


Paul D. Hagewood
Hillsboro, Oregon

River Mill Lake

Subject: River Mill Lake (1 of 10), Read 177 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 08:20 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2342.JPG, 2343.JPG, 2344.JPG

This paddle was about three miles up River Mill Lake from the dam up. The lake is a very narrow reservoir on the Clackamas River near the town of Estacada OR. Did this in November in the middle of a very dry Oregon fall but there were still a few small falls coming into the lake and the water was very cold.
The picture of the yellow lichen on the rock was so bright I thought at first it was yellow paint, I researched it and I believe the scientific name is "Vulpicida tilesii".
Was able to paddle up about 3 miles where some guys were fishing form steelhead near the river inflow. Nice-day

Subject: River Mill Lake (2 of 10), Read 135 times
Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:04 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty place.. Oregon.. gotta include that in my "Wanna do " list...
Thanks for the pics.. any story to include.. sights .. expand.. we'll be glad to have it all..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: River Mill Lake (3 of 10), Read 137 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:28 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2345.JPG

On 1/6/03 11:04:00 PM, cliffy wrote:

>Pretty place.. Oregon.. gotta include that in my "Wanna do " list...

Here's another Oregon photo: Waldo Lake. That's BentoBuggy Tina in her hardshell.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: River Mill Lake (4 of 10), Read 140 times
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 08:11 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

In the 60's / 70's.. the service had me all over the country.. seems each location was just far enough away from -cool- water locations that I missed 'em by just "this much".. I did find a few by accident but not many.. just as well.. I need locations to look for 'on purpose' now..
thanks for the pics and reports. PLease keep 'em coming..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: River Mill Lake (5 of 10), Read 143 times
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 08:34 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Cliffy, in Oregon, you would like: the Cascades Lakes area SW out of Bend (lots of car camping at gorgeous lakes), Paulina Lakes SE out of Bend near/on the caldera of an extinct volcano, all stretches of the Columbia River downstream from Portland (you've seen our pics), and almost any of the State Parks on/near bays. Nehalem Bay State Park north of Tillamook would be a great one for sailing. Mountain lakes around Mt. Hood are great in late summer after the bugs are gone: Lost Lake and Trillium come to mind. Waldo is another good one.

In SW Washington, you'd really like Willapa Bay, and enjoy some of the smaller tidal estuaries/streams on its East side.

Most of these places are out of the way. Bring your dawg!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: River Mill Lake (6 of 10), Read 131 times
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 04:49 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

They'll be on my list.. but alas.. I lost my dog.. she was 16 going on 17.. good one she was.. I'll come anyway, and bring a picture of her.. she'll be there by proxy.. All of the pics you and others have posted of the area make certainly appealing.. there's so much to see.. .

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: River Mill Lake (7 of 10), Read 126 times
Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 07:52 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Yeah Cliffy, outfit the Conestoga with wireless email, a digi-cam, load the boats and hit the road. I see a full length feature in the future.
Sailboy

Subject: River Mill Lake (8 of 10), Read 124 times
Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:20 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Got a few ideas on cheap long term trekking..
go til the money runs out.. then get arrested for vagrancy.. (3 hots and a cot for a week)... then after that refurbishment live off of " free meal missions" while collecting aluminum cans to get the bicyle outa impound and build monetary resources.. then move on.. should work.. hmm...
Now.. charging the laptop battery.. havent' worked that out yet. .???? Oh there's ways to do anything.. (:>)... gotta keep the mind busy on "problems to solve"... keeps ya young.. ha...
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: River Mill Lake (9 of 10), Read 123 times
Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 01:26 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

On 1/8/03 10:20:00 AM, cliffy wrote:

>then get arrested for
>vagrancy..

I don't think they can arrest you for that anymore. It's probably not politically correct or something.

Dickc

Subject: River Mill Lake (10 of 10), Read 114 times
Date: Thursday, January 09, 2003 08:36 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Well dang.. ruined plan.. had it all worked out too... well.. another idea when In a strange area..
a sign to holdup at intersections that says..
"will work for kayak put in site".. begging is so vulgar though. Gotta get the thinking cap on.... time is short.. and the wifey's 'honey dew' list is really long.. need the plan ...!! gotta escape..ha..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Open the New Year

Subject: Open the New Year (1 of 10), Read 210 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 08:57 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2346.JPG

Well it's time to dust off the paddle and open the New Year with my first outing. Headed out to Willow Beach on the Colorado River about 10 miles down from the dam. One could obtain a permit from the Bureau of Reclaimation and launch below the dam. There are specific times and you must haul you gear down hill. On this day I decided only to paddle several miles up river. Watched coyotes drinking water, falcons on the high cliffs above. Follow the droppings and there you will see his nest. Old artifacts from the dam's early years around 1935. Foundation of a 1 bedroom home and gargage on waters edge, old gauge station and two cable cars along with a walkway several feet up along the cliffs. Next time out will take the pictures, ran out of power.
pete

Subject: Open the New Year (2 of 10), Read 136 times
Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 09:47 AM
Author:Glisk
Email:glisk@stny.rr.com

That's gorgeous..very different paddling country from anything I've experienced

Do the river heights below the dam fluctuate wildly with water releases or do they keep it pretty regular?

Are there camping and multi-day trips available around there?

Always looking to add "one more place" to the list of places I've never been :)

Subject: Open the New Year (3 of 10), Read 119 times
Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 08:36 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 1/6/03 9:47:00 AM, Glisk wrote:


Do the river heights below the
dam fluctuate wildly with
water releases or do they keep
it pretty regular?

River heights pretty much stay the same and information on times the water is released you could check out the Bureau Of Reclaimation on times using the current heading south in your favor. The lake south from the dam is Lake Mohave which is 647 feet about 44 square miles. The canyon is about 1 mile wide to several. Not as low as Lake Meade which is 70 feet down as 10 feet for Lake Mohave and lower as you near the end at Katherines Landing but not the extreme of Lake Meade.

Are there camping and
multi-day trips available
around there?

From Hoover Dam to Davis Dam in Laughlin the distance is 67 miles. Camping is where one finds a nice campsite, here there is no skeeters to deal with. You can kayak from Willow Beach to Cottonwood several miles down and arrange for a pick up at the marina or do the whole 67 miles. Other options is the Colorado river down to Parker dam going thru Topock Gorge to Lake Havasu and down to Yuma Arizona. One would need some time to complete this length of the Colorado River.

If you head north thru Utah theres Lake Powell, Green River and rafting the Colorado in the Grand Canyon. At one time you could kayak from Lake Meade up to the last rapid in the Grand Canyon about 35 miles, now its full of mud and silt at Pearce Landing.

pete




Subject: Open the New Year (4 of 10), Read 111 times
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 01:35 PM
Author:Glisk
Email:glisk@stny.rr.com

Thanks for the info. I'll have to make time for it some day.

Subject: Open the New Year (5 of 10), Read 106 times
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 04:16 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

That looks like some beautiful country. Doesn't look like too much traffic on the water, and a place that beautiful with no skeeters? There are so many places I'll never get to, but it sure is nice when someone gets there and shares the trip with you.

Tiki Island II

Subject: the New Year think topic (6 of 10), Read 109 times
Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 05:09 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Some time ago. .I was contemplating building a boat.. (no surprise 'eh).. anyway.. I was hesitating about it.. cause it was gonna be a big job, costly, and purpose built..
Something I'd always wanted to do in a boat.. I hemmed and hawed.. well a friend came over.. and after a while.. said to me..

"you know.. a lot of people have lived their whole lives... Always wanting to do something they never did... maybe you should just do it before you travel the same road."

Sometimes that spontaneous turn off the highway is what we need.. try the untried.. step out and "be..."..
I'm gonna.... hope you'll join me 'out there" heck maybe we'll pass and wave..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: the New Year think topic (7 of 10), Read 113 times
Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 07:54 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Cliffy:
Maybe you just saved the best for last!
Sailboy

Subject: the New Year think topic (8 of 10), Read 103 times
Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:56 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Cliffy, I tried that spontaneous turn off the highway a few years ago when I was a teenager. It took me hours to get my work car back on the highway. You see, I pulled over for lunch on a side road, which was sandy and sloped downward. I couldn't get back up to the highway. It was sure easy though to keep backing up and try to get a run at it. I got further and further from the main road. Then of all things, my boss drives by and sees me. He thinks I'm takin the day off, and I had some explaining to do cause it did look kind of suspicious. And now that you're towing a rig, make sure that spontaneous turn off isn't a deadend. ( smile )

Tiki Island II

Subject: the New Year think topic (9 of 10), Read 99 times
Date: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:22 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

But then you wouldn't have that cool story to tell if you hadn't pulled over.. (:>)
Each new experience is one to add to the memories.. some good.. well hopefully .. most good..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: the New Year think topic (10 of 10), Read 87 times
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 09:29 AM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Ha! ha! I like that. Life is made up of the unexpected. Some adventures start unexpectedly and without much preparation.
Like spontaneous combustion, spontaneous adventure. Ha! Ha!

Tiki Island II


Making Lemonade

Subject: Making Lemonade (1 of 9), Read 176 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Friday, January 03, 2003 07:34 PM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net
Files:2347.JPG, 2348.JPG

Here is my first paddling session in the living room. Although I have not had a chance to paddle in the water yet, I did get the boat wet(had it loaded on the roof rack, but was overtaken by heavy rain being driven horizontal by high winds.) So, as they say, if life hands you lemons... Best wishes to all for a happy new year and great padding. NOTE: Sorry about the double posting of the picture. I am still trying to get the hang of this board Paul D. Hagewood Hillsboro, Oregon paul.hagewood@verizon.net

Subject: Making Lemonade (2 of 9), Read 144 times
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 04:42 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Nice pic of living room paddling... don't we all do that. Nice dogs too... and nice looking paddler, of course!

Will you be paddling with your dogs?

France

the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: Making Lemonade (3 of 9), Read 141 times
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 07:48 AM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

I could not help but notice you and the dogs are not wearing your PFDs. Good paddling to you all
Bob K

Subject: Making Lemonade (4 of 9), Read 136 times
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 09:02 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Also noted... the only smiling members of the photo were "in" the boat..
the By-stander did not look happy that his fuzzy brother had "dibs"...
If you could "compress" the Jpegs before ya post 'em... i'd be appreciated..
thanks for the pic.. great looking.. All.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Making Lemonade (5 of 9), Read 138 times
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:38 AM
Author:chanticleer
Email:paul.hagewood@verizon.net

I don't know about paddling with the dogs yet. The one in the boat that Cliffy noted was smiling, was smiling because she knew she was getting out. The other one was not smiling because he thought I was going to make him get in. I think they are not very confident about my boating skills. A good case in point - no PFDs! The boat was amazingly stable - I tried tipping it but couldn't, so I felt pretty safe. Also, I figured that I could probably wade to safety if I had an upset, and since my son was taking the picture and my wife was in the next room, I thought they could rescue me if I was in over my head. Newbie errors! I feel very fortunate that I survived, and I learned some lessons from the episode - one of the most important is to not post uncompressed JPEGs.

Paul D. Hagewood
Hillsboro, Oregon
paul.hagewood@verizon.net

Subject: Making Lemonade (6 of 9), Read 136 times
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:33 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Wading through thick pile carpet could be treacherous.. (:>)... I'd take water over that anyday.. he he..
Great pic though.. Good looking dogs..
Look like thoroughbred "tail wagging treat munchers".. ah yes.. I know the variety well..
(:>)
Best to ya.. and Happy new year..!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Making Lemonade (7 of 9), Read 134 times
Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 02:57 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

I'd bet that at least 75% of Folboters have done at least one living room paddle. Not much else to do in the winter, up north anyway.
Counting down the days 'till I move south to Arkansas.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Making Lemonade (8 of 9), Read 119 times
Date: Sunday, January 05, 2003 07:10 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

When's the big move, Gary and to what town?
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Making Lemonade (9 of 9), Read 117 times
Date: Sunday, January 05, 2003 08:15 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Gobe, I will probably make the move in early March. It will probably take several trips as the government is too cheap to pay PCS when you retire. 8^) I will be about 10 miles south of Booneville Arkansas. It's near the western border about 45 miles from Fort Smith.
Not on the water but not too far from several nice lakes and impoundments not to mention rivers. I expect to be very busy setting up a bunch of ham radio antennas and getting a shop built. Lordy how I've missed having a shop.
With about 26 acres of oak and cedar trees to thin out I'll sure be wearing out some chain saws. Between that, Folboting, fishing, gardening, repairing old radios, doing blacksmithing and ornamental iron work, and building furniture I don't think I'll miss working at all. And I know I won't miss Wisconsin winters. 73 Gary


On 1/5/03 7:10:00 AM, gobe wrote:
>When's the big move, Gary and
>to what town?
>gobe
>St. Charles, MO
>GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake
>LT18



Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Juniper Springs - Florida

Subject: Juniper Springs - Florida (1 of 1), Read 107 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, January 03, 2003 06:55 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2349.JPG, 2350.JPG, 2351.JPG, 2352.JPG, 2353.JPG

Camped 1/1/03 thru 1/3/03 at Juniper Springs in the Ocala National Forest (5 star rating in "The Best in Tent Camping in Florida" by Johnny Molloy...beautiful. Paddled down the 7 mile Juniper Creek (experienced paddlers only) without having to portage around huge fallen trees (like suckers in high riding canoes) or unintentionally get wet..........what a 4 hour ride.....creek is narrow, hairpin turns, swift, full of obstacles and gators. Really gave the hypalon hull a workout (vertical logs, rocks, 12" or less water depth) and none worse the wear...no duct tape required. Had many curious questions regarding my GII (what is it? where did you get it?, that's a cool boat, etc.) during launching and landing from very envious hardshell kayakers and aluminum canoers. Most where impressed when I had my GII disassembled (one onlooker said the aluminum frame without the "skin" looked like the the Hindenburg) and packed before many had their 2 small hardshells loaded back on the roof rack!

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

When it snows elsewhere

Subject: When it snows elsewhere (1 of 6), Read 188 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, December 27, 2002 03:09 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2354.JPG, 2355.JPG, 2356.JPG, 2357.JPG, 2358.JPG

Just a couple of pics from a little afternoon trip down the Rainbow River here in Dunnellon, Florida. Hit it just right, between the clouds, wind, and cold which is currently engulfing us and most of the nation. Also, I figure this can be a "vicarious moment" to fellow Folboters who are currently in winter storage.

Happy New Year,
Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: When it snows elsewhere (2 of 6), Read 161 times
Date: Friday, December 27, 2002 05:18 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some very nice photos, Mike. Makin my mouth water like the turkey did. Hope to see something similar in 3 or 4 months. The crystal water sure is nice.The snow flakes were coming down the size of golf balls here, but melting upon hitting the ground ( Abbotsford BC ) and it looks like Seattle got hit with some big winds. Would like to do some winter boating, but the combination of rain, wind and coolness makes the living room pretty cozy. The rain by itself isn't so bad, but when the wind blows too, it's just too uncomfortable on the water. We have a soccer game scheduled for this Sunday, and it's not so bad freezing for a couple of hours if you know a hot shower is only a short drive away. Happy paddling to you.

Tiki Island II

Subject: When it snows elsewhere (3 of 6), Read 151 times
Date: Saturday, December 28, 2002 03:47 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 12/27/02 5:18:00 PM, tiki island II wrote:

Would like to do
some winter boating

Come on down the weather is fine a bit cool in the low 40's sunshine on Lake Meade.
pete

Subject: When it snows elsewhere (4 of 6), Read 142 times
Date: Saturday, December 28, 2002 04:01 PM
Author:dals
Email:dalstanley@mail.com

Mike, do you put in at the spring source or downriver? Want to head over that way sometime soon to float the run.
-Dal

Subject: When it snows elsewhere (5 of 6), Read 133 times
Date: Sunday, December 29, 2002 04:34 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Nice pictures Mike. Sure looks warmer than here, but I'm not complaining, it was only -5C today!
Cheers

France
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: When it snows elsewhere (6 of 6), Read 125 times
Date: Monday, December 30, 2002 08:03 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Got a heat wave going up there, France!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

No Topic

Subject: No Topic (1 of 13), Read 182 times
Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 07:13 PM
Author:Twicknam1
Email:twicknam1@aol.com

Saw this in the Dec 8, 2002 obit page of the Lancaster New Era (PA), reprinted from the NY Times. Another bit of history ....

... on November 30, 2002 Bill Sparks died in Alfriston, England. He was 80. He was the last survivor of the 10 British marines celebrated as the Cockleshell Heroes for their canoe-borne raid on German shipping in occupied France in World War II.

The article continues.....

"On the evening of December 7, 1942, five two-man teams of Royal Marines were sent off in canoes, known as cockleshells, from the British submarine Tuna in the Bay of Biscay. Their mission was to paddle along the Gironde River for 75 miles or so, then sneak into the port of Bordeaux and attach mines to the hulls of German cargo ships that had evaded a British blockade."

Thought it might be of interest to y'all.........

Terry

Subject: No Topic (2 of 13), Read 138 times
Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 08:42 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

According to my calculations Bill Sparks was only 20 when he went on that mission. What a brave young man he was as well as his co-harts. Easy to forget those that made it possible for us to enjoy our America and our Folbots.

Every time I step into my Folbot I will think of those men.
Bob K

Subject: No Topic (3 of 13), Read 137 times
Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 08:43 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

They put a show on Discovery channel.. (disc and Hist chan= "Man TV")
Had similar efforts from an Austrailian base into the Mayalsian area during WWII ...
Mighty interesting stuff...
Kayaks area called Canoes - over there...
My memory is so bad, I forget the operational names of the efforts.. but it was well worth the watch,
Good show ... them

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: No Topic (4 of 13), Read 140 times
Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 09:49 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

That Australian crowd got nailed and had to do a very long paddle/sail to escape, IIRC. Some info in John Dowd's Sea Kayaking. John and buddies retraced the route, in modern folders (Kleppers, I think), in the late '70's.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: No Topic (5 of 13), Read 125 times
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 07:51 PM
Author:PADDLE
Email:j.davidmorton@verizon.net

There was a British movie about the Marines and their attack in kayaks, I think it came out in the late fifties in England called Cockleshell Heroes. It was pretty entertaining. If I remember correctly when the Royal Marines were in training they dressed them in German uniforms and dropped them off all over England without any money. Remember this was wartime and the guys had to get back to their base without being captured or arrested. They were not in their kayaks, just on foot. I remember one guy whenever he was asked about the uniform he was wearing responded that he belonged to the Welsh Army, and people believed him. If I'm correct one guy even got shot, but not killed, trying to evade the Home Guard.
I think it was put in the movie to help entertain, whether it was true of not I don't know. But these guys were heroes in my book, it took a lot of guts to even attempt what they did.
David in Santa Monica

Subject: No Topic (6 of 13), Read 127 times
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 09:26 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Truth is almost always stranger than fiction.. more fun to read about, and see in the movies if it's done anywhere near factually correct .. of course there has to be a love angle, an chase scene, and the getaway.. normal additives when movies are made..
Even "Bond" books were based on Fleming's experiences.. and then fiction from there I think..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: No Topic (7 of 13), Read 134 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 06:03 AM
Author:Twicknam1
Email:twicknam1@aol.com

I remembered reading about this; checked it out and found it in Ralph Diaz's 'Complete Folding Kayaker', P18: 'The Folding Kayak as Dreadnought'. .... "The British Navy's elite special operations unit started life in July 1940 as the Folbot Section ....." ..."The original name was quickly changed to the Special Boat Section (SBS) because it gave away too much about what the unit might be up to."

I'm not sure if the military term came from the manufacturer Folbot, or the other way around, because Diaz also mentions that Folbot moved from England to the U.S. just prior to the war. Either way, the boats these guys used were the ancestors of the boats we're paddling today.

As others have already mentioned on this board in the past, if you have not read this book, you're missing a lot of fascinating information about folding kayaks, and kayaking in general. It is my favorite book on kayaking.....thanks, Ralph!

Terry

Subject: No Topic (8 of 13), Read 127 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 07:02 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

There was an old movie called, "The Great Escape" about a B-25 bomber crew that got shot down over Germany in WWII, were captured and imprisoned. The central character was played by Steve McQueen and escaped, stole a motorcycle and had a big chase scene across Germany. Had a friend for many years (deceased about two years ago) that was the most famous criminal lawyer in St. Louis Charlie Shaw. I knew he flew in WWI, but knew him for over 20 years before I found out that the movie was about his crew and that Steve McQueen was actually playing him! He had been the Captain of the B-25 that went down. Asked him if the movie was true and he said, "True enough." However, he said that they took a little literary license because McQueen liked to drive motorcycles and the part about him escaping across Germany on a motorcycle was a little off ... he actually stole a bicycle and peddled across Germany! The chase scene wouldn't have been as near as exciting if they showed it with him on a bicycle!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: No Topic (9 of 13), Read 115 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 08:56 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

And so in their own way these commandos worked to keep us free from having to buy over-priced Kleppers:) Thank you lads!
Sailboy

Subject: No Topic (10 of 13), Read 118 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:44 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

They're not "overpriced" in Deutschland. They just become overpriced after us "Yanks" get done marking them up.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: No Topic (11 of 13), Read 125 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:21 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Buy a folbot.. no worries.. (:>)

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Cockleshell heroes (12 of 13), Read 127 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 05:20 PM
Author:dals
Email:dalstanley@mail.com

I thought that they had played the movie in question on History channel once. Anyway, a search of the web finds that Blockbuster has the movie listed, but is not available for rent or purchase. Go to the link:
http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/movie/details/0,7286,VID-V++++87508,00.html

Subject: Cockleshell heroes (13 of 13), Read 129 times
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 07:03 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

The one on the history channel a few weeks ago was a documentary. It was more accurate than the movie. Two people got left on the sub when their kayak got ripped on launching. Two more capsized in the tide race and swam to the other boats. They were ferried close to shore and swam for it. They drowned. One boat got separated but continued on it's own. Of the remaining three two were machine gunned. Two got to the target and planted their mines.
The crew of one was caught and executed. The commander's boat was the only one to escape.
It was either Mel Ferrer or Jose Ferrer who played the commander in the movie.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

more pictures, trout lake

Subject: more pictures, trout lake (1 of 3), Read 160 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:12 AM
Author:jasondeyo
Email:deyo@mac.com
Files:2359.JPG, 2360.JPG

and here are two more from trout lake this past summer. this was the first paddle day for my "new to me aluet". trout lake is near parry sound, ontario.

take it easy
jason

Subject: more pictures, trout lake (2 of 3), Read 147 times
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:32 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I make it at 5'10 inches in your stocking feet... How close am I???
Good lake.. I like the smooth rock landing.. looked a bit choppy for ya that day, but well within the capabilities of the Aleut..
more more..


cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: more pictures, trout lake (3 of 3), Read 116 times
Date: Saturday, December 14, 2002 09:09 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Hi

I noted you are "new" to the Aleut but I must point out that your concept of "launching" an Aleut is a little bit vertical. But with right rocket fuel, it might fly.

Nice photos. There seems to be some great kayak routes out of Parry Sound.

Gary
G2

mazinaw lake

Subject: mazinaw lake (1 of 3), Read 139 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:02 AM
Author:jasondeyo
Email:deyo@mac.com
Files:2361.JPG, 2362.JPG, 2363.JPG, 2364.JPG, 2365.JPG

here are some pictures my friend took while i was kayaking in bon echo provincial park. located in cloyne, ontario, canada.

Subject: mazinaw lake (2 of 3), Read 132 times
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:33 AM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Jason, I love that first picture for the beautiful fall colours as the backdrop. What causes the currents you commented on?

Tiki Island II

Subject: mazinaw lake (3 of 3), Read 122 times
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 05:22 PM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Nice pictures Jason. I love mazinaw lake. I paddled there last summer with my Yellow aleut, and my friend had her red one: we had a blast!

France
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Folbot Paddling in Florida

Subject: Folbot Paddling in Florida (1 of 1), Read 165 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 08:11 PM
Author:seakayaknc
Email:seakayaknc@mindspring.com
Files:2366.JPG, 2367.JPG, 2368.JPG, 2369.JPG

Wife and I went to Kissimmee-Saint Cloud for T-day week to visit my sister. Took boats and snapped these pixs on East Lake Toho just outside of Kissimmee. A nice lake with a pretty creek called Boggy Creek. We skirted the lake and went up the creek (we had paddles)

Anyone wishing further info on this locale just email me.

Enjoy.

Ed G
President
Crystal Coast Canoe & Kayak Club
www.ccckc.org

Ghost town

Subject: Ghost town (1 of 8), Read 148 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:08 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2370.JPG, 2371.JPG, 2372.JPG, 2373.JPG, 2374.JPG

This Saturday I went to see the ghost town of St Thomas at the upper end of the dam. Travel was thru the Valley of Fire state park the 1st in Nevada. I would attempt to launch at St Thomas cove to see the remains. Once there the lake has receded so much only waist deep mud was along the shoreline. I walked to the town which only has foundations remaining and was built in 1865 with fewer than 500 residents. There I met a gentlemen who was a resident of the town at 18 years and remembers the water raising up main street. He pointed out the landmarks: hotel, library, postoffice and the other buildings which walking from the first structure to the last took about 30 minutes. His house is above water filled in with mud and silt. Of the eight structures I counted 2 had the roof and windows sills still visible. He pointed out that a train ran thru the middle of the Overton arm of Lake Meade and a highway thru town from the Valley of Fire to the other side. Across town was the town of Lost City, no remains. Only folks digging for history or a fine from the National Park service. The residents come down to see how much of their town is above water and some felt that by spring the other buildings and the town will be completely out of the water. By fall you might be able to walk closer or paddle out of Overton Marina to the structures. There is a thought of moving the Overton Marina down to deeper water. Nature and the cities in need of water are starting to reclaim the land. The lake is down 76 feet and falling, might be another 20 feet. Even though the lake is down for kayaking alot of coves and islands are above the water where most boats have to stay close to the main channel. At times just under me would be a ridge almost could get out and walk across to the island. Some time I plan to head out of Overton to get a closer of the upper end of the lake as this will turn into hiking trails.
pete

Subject: Ghost town (2 of 8), Read 137 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:12 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2375.JPG, 2376.JPG, 2377.JPG

Few more pictures.
pete

Subject: Ghost town (3 of 8), Read 136 times
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 06:59 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Even in December the desert looks hot. I know better but the "Valley of Fire" ain't just a humorous misnomer. Wait a few months.

In picture 11 is the house. Are those windows? If they are it looks like the water isn't dropping but the lake bottom is rising.
mike v

Subject: Ghost town (4 of 8), Read 136 times
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 08:42 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty place.. calm waters. I've been to the desert when the winds were up.. high.. but most of the time I see your photo's with glassy waters. Predictions must be pretty good on winds.. I must come back.. I did like what i saw.. need the feel of the big sky again..
great shots.. thanks..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Ghost town (5 of 8), Read 135 times
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 09:08 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

The Valley of Fire is definitely worth a stop. Petroglyphs! And a great nature center that teaches you how to track gila monsters. Don't hike it at noon like I did, though.

Pete, where did you finally wind up launching?

I love that photo of the wooden paddles, hiking boots, and glassy wavy water.

AnnD

Subject: Ghost town (6 of 8), Read 125 times
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:24 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some really great photos! Photo 17 'Inside the....' sure shows the strata formation, and the colors are fabulous. Looks like you were alone on the waters.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Ghost town (7 of 8), Read 111 times
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 05:29 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

Questions:
Picture 11 shows the window and roof, lake raising. As time passes silt and mud will cover up the area and nature will reclaim the land. In time the end's of the lake will be land again as it recede's. The other end Pearce Landing which you were able at one time kayak up 35 miles into the Grand Canyon to the last rapid is closed due to mud and silt same will happen at Lake Powell at Hite Marina. Where did I launch? Went down to Echo bay marina and paddled north. Using the marina's is the better way to go until summer. The shoreline is mostly knee deep mud which if caught will take your shoes off. Looks hot in December, on this day it was 70 degrees and the water was 57. Our temperature till April will be around 65 by day, night 40 and the water is 50 degrees. Most pictures show calm water. If one checks the weather and follows the front coming from CA. you could mostly kayak in calm to light wind days. Sailing pick the front that cames across and away you go. You look like you were alone. Yep I stay close to shore as the water is to low for the power boats if any and they head to the main channel or deeper water. Great for kayaking also there are restrictions on PWC's on certain parts of the lake and the Colorado river. The one picture in the Valley of Fire was taken at the visitor's center and as Ann stated there is alot to see in this park and summer is not the place to be temperature's are around 108 degree's. Now off to plan the next adventure.
pete

Subject: Ghost town (8 of 8), Read 110 times
Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 07:04 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Seems really strange to see it like that, Pete. I used to dive down to St. Thomas in the early '60's (SCUBA).
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

A Lot of Equipment

Subject: A Lot of Equipment (1 of 1), Read 130 times
Date: Sunday, December 08, 2002 09:59 AM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

(This should be at the bottom of the topic about art work, but I screwed up, sorry.) A three hundred pound potter's wheel might get in the way.

Good to hear from you Craigybird. Craig has even been the topic of several paintings. Craig makes himself sound kinda' goofy, but he is a master craftsman at working with wood.

The beauty of carrying a sketch pad is when the fish aren't biting, I can always find something to draw. That way I still feel like I "caught" something. This happens often, as I'm not a master fisherman. It also makes the trip tax deductible!

Take care,
MarkMc

Lost Lake - Mt. Hood

Subject: Lost Lake - Mt. Hood (1 of 4), Read 169 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:07 AM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2378.JPG, 2379.JPG

Hi All,

Since it’s a little slow this time of year here are some pics from a paddle in August. The lake is Lost Lake at approximately 3500 feet on the north west side of Mt. Hood. I love this lake because no motors are allowed and there is usually enough wind to keep the rafts and canoes off the water. The lake is about 200 ft. max and has a nice population of Brown trout (I caught a 6.5 lber last year).

I apologize ahead of time if the picture file is too large and does not show up.

Mark

Subject: Lost Lake - Mt. Hood (2 of 4), Read 153 times
Date: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 07:09 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Wow! Mark, do you know if there are campgrounds near the lake? How large is the lake? It's definitely going on the list for next summer's road trip.
AnnD

Subject: Lost Lake - Mt. Hood (3 of 4), Read 155 times
Date: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 08:40 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Lost Lake is but one of several similar lakes around Mt. Hood. Many have primitive campgrounds. It is one of the prettiest lakes, with that superb view of the mountain. About 30 miles of side road off Hwy 26, IIRC. Great hiking out of there, also, towards that ridge in the middle of the mountain.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Lost Lake - Mt. Hood (4 of 4), Read 153 times
Date: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 09:21 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pics of places like this, make me feel small and insignificant.. I like that. .. like looking at the starry night.. it's a big ole place out there.. so much to see.. so small to feel......
thanks much for the pics.. and while I'd like to visit.. (and may one day).. the picture is firmly planted in my head for the daydreaming times.
The pics hung behind my desk already draw an audience.. There's quiet looks.. sometimes a question.. but usually they look, and you can see the 'thousand yard stare' develope.. a day dream in full swing... and while not so much "me"........ 'WE' have a vehicle that can take us there..
Thanks to Folbot for providing it..
and Thanks to mother nature for the places..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Manatees at Crystal River

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (1 of 14), Read 220 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, November 29, 2002 03:42 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2380.JPG, 2381.JPG, 2382.JPG, 2383.JPG, 2384.JPG

Paddled at Crystal River Florida with (3) people in my GII to manatee watch and had a blast! Kayaking is the best way to unobtrusively nature watch for sure. My 6 year old son even petted a manatee who evidently wanted to get a closer look at our Folbot. I love this boat!!!!!!

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

P.S.
All the pics were from inside the kayak and not in the water despite appearances.

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (2 of 14), Read 168 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Friday, November 29, 2002 03:47 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2385.JPG, 2386.JPG, 2387.JPG

Here are a few more pics from Crystal River

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (3 of 14), Read 166 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 05:47 AM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Looks like you all had a great time Mike. Makes me wish I didn't live where the water freezes solid in Nov./Dec. Keep the pictures coming. With the GII put away for the winter, I've got to live vicariously.

mtm2525

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." (Will Rogers)

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (4 of 14), Read 170 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 06:21 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Fabulous photos...the clear water is stunning. Can someone put him in charge of providing at least a weekly dose of this stuff for those of us who will have to "winter over?"
mike v

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (5 of 14), Read 170 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 08:17 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Mike...
What campground did ya use.. or did ya 'motel' it.. I"d love to make this a stopover for the trip down to Flamingo.......??? (I know.. not exactly on the way ha..)
I went that way, and got sidetracked to Hommasassa to the State park with the manatees.. wanted to camp and paddle, but missed all the good camps.. need help.!! I'm Florida campground challenged..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (6 of 14), Read 164 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 01:36 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

On 11/30/02 8:17:00 AM, cliffy wrote:
>Mike...
>What campground did ya use..
>or did ya 'motel' it.. I"d
>love to make this a stopover
>for the trip down to
>Flamingo.......??? (I know..
>not exactly on the way ha..)
>I went that way, and got
>sidetracked to Hommasassa to
>the State park with the
>manatees.. wanted to camp and
>paddle, but missed all the
>good camps.. need help.!! I'm
>Florida campground
>challenged..
>cliffy
>http://www.geocities.com/heart
>land/bluffs/3655

Cliffy,

Did not have to camp or motel. Luckily, from Dunnellon, Crystal River is only about 20 minutes west (towards the Gulf). I assembled the GII at a quiet, relatively unknown park (Hunters Spring) instead of the "tourist trap" City launch and only had to paddle about 1/2 hour to the main spring. I can gladly give you specifics should you "detour" this area. Personally, I still prefer our Rainbow River (much clearer) over Crystal River. However, we no longer get manatees up the Rainbow since locks were installed near the Gulf of Mexico preventing their passage. Fortunately, many of the best rivers in Florida are less than a hour away (Homossasa, Silver Springs, Ocklawaha, Crystal, etc.) so my area camping knowledge is limited/unnecessary. However, I just purchased from Amazon (haven't received yet) a paperback called "Best Florida Tent Camping for those who hate RVs", concrete slabs, and Neighbors"........just my kind of title! I'll post my reviews should it be a worthwhile and informative read.


Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (7 of 14), Read 155 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 05:33 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some very unique photos, Mike! Hmm. Manatees? Something like a sea lion or walrus? About 300 - 400 lbs. or more? When I was on the West Coast of Vancouver Island there was a tame seal. You'd be sittin on the dock, and all of a sudden he's out of the water beside you. About 150 lbs. My paddling buddy has remarked many times, 'I hope a seal doesn't think I'm a log and board my boat'. Once we came upon what I think was a sea lion floating lifeless head down, hind flippers up. Looked to weigh around 400 lbs., but we couldn't turn him over to see what it really was. Never seen pics like the one's you have ( close up to the boat ). I imagine if the beast felt threatened in any way he could get a little nasty. Also, is that river's source a spring?

Tiki Island II

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (8 of 14), Read 143 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 09:42 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

About as mad as I've seen one was just a bump and a quick getaway.... and I dont' even think that was intentional.
These cuties are just curious and gentle mostly...
Hope others will chime in with their experiences..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (9 of 14), Read 156 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:58 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2388.JPG, 2389.JPG, 2390.JPG, 2391.JPG

I've NEVER seen a manatee with a bad attitude. I think of them a extremely large golden retrievers, albeit 10 feet long, 1500-2000 lbs., and up to 60 years old! They love to much on your anchor line......floss. The pics with the manatee up near the kayak is a calf (less than 2 years old) who was
about 5 feet long and maybe 500 pounds. They usually like to be scratched since they have
parasites (no threat to humans) and itchy algae on their hide. This particular one rolled so we could get to his belly! They are amazingly passive and friendly mammals which unfortunately doesn't help their endangerment. As we were paddling, we could "feel" a couple of adult manatees brushing up
against the rubber hull as they swam under the kayak...........guess they knew we didn't have a deadly propeller. Speaking of which, more than half (including our itchy calf) of the dozen or so manatees we saw had propeller scars! We also saw a 8-10 foot tarpon but I couldn't get the camera out fast enough. Crystal River is a very cool place to see lots of wildlife and swim (72 degree water
year round).

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (10 of 14), Read 140 times
Date: Monday, December 02, 2002 08:15 AM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

I'd like to second the request for specifics on the location of this place. I hope to be traveling through on the way to the Flamingo flotilla, and would love to make this a stop.

As for the book you mentioned, I have a copy of the Tennessee and Kentucky one. Not all sights are suitable for paddling, but that isn't the intention. It certainly adds a lot of information to be considered when choosing a camping sight though. You won't regret the purchase.

pat

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (11 of 14), Read 141 times
Date: Monday, December 02, 2002 08:59 AM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Thanks Mike for that info. So of course I went on the net for more info on manatees and found a site about the Crystal River manatee. It was nice to see that efforts are being made to help protect these mammals from destruction. There was a lot of good info about Crystal River and why the manatees come here. It's kind of troubling to hear that this mammal enjoys contact with us, and then gets whacked by a propeller. Thanks for the pics.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (12 of 14), Read 120 times
Date: Monday, December 02, 2002 08:53 AM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

Are there any regulations to be observed as to viewing or approaching manatees?

Dickc

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (13 of 14), Read 119 times
Date: Monday, December 02, 2002 03:35 PM
Author:pk
Email:kss2@charter.net

Like Tiki Island II, I went out looking for info on Manatees and Crystal River - they outline some common sense things like not poking, prodding or stabbing (???) them (duh?), or getting between a cow and a calf. There were also other more subtle things, like not following them or initiating the contact. I might unconsciously follow one to continue observing a particular individual - I don't even think of it with birds, etc. The last thing I'd want to do is upset an animal that large, and I certainly don't want to make it uncomfortable. I am there to enjoy whatever sights my eyes can take in without interfering with nature. The following links, a friend supplied me with, had some info on do's and dont's, but it take a little digging to find. Altering the behavior of a protected species with your behavior is considered harassment and subject to heavy fines, according to the web sites.

Thanks again to Tsquare for the topic and the interesting subject. I've made changes to my itinerary to include this side trip.

pat

http://www.crystalriverflorida.com/
http://www.xtalwind.net/~cfa/

http://www.crystalriverdivers.com/

http://www.citruscounty-fl.com/CrysRiv.html

http://www.lifeadventures.com/manatees.htm

http://www.lifeadventures.com/manatees.htm

Subject: Manatees at Crystal River (14 of 14), Read 109 times
Date: Thursday, December 05, 2002 08:00 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Awesome posts and pictures on this thread.
Sea cows I think they are called sometimes as well. Was aware of the damage caused to them by propellor blades.
Nice knowing that our boats can't harm them.
Thanks for sharing!
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Art Works From A Folbot

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (1 of 14), Read 226 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:43 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com
Files:2392.JPG, 2393.JPG, 2394.JPG, 2395.JPG, 2396.JPG

Several months ago, some of you expressed an interest in seeing some of the paintings that I've completed based on kayak trips I've been a part of. My college art gallery is having it's yearly faculty art show and this gave me the opportunity to shoot some photos. Hope you enjoy them. If you search a bit, you could find some of the original sketches that were posted on this forum.

The paintings are in acrylic paint, watercolor, or colored pencil.

Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (2 of 14), Read 177 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:46 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com
Files:2397.JPG, 2398.JPG, 2399.JPG

Here are a few more.

Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (3 of 14), Read 175 times
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 02:12 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

Beautifully done. How in the world do you keep such a steady hand from the cockpit of a Folbot?
From what areas of paddling did you derive your inspiration?
Bob K

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (4 of 14), Read 172 times
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 04:21 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I went back and compared the photo's from your "Calabash" series.. saw 2 or three there with 'familiar' looking stuff.... pretty darned good...!!!!
Little river..
Georgetown.. minus the SUV and Folbot
and Calabash..
How'd I do..??? (:>)
Wish I had some talent.. I used to draw some when I was younger.. teacher always caught me though.. ha..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (5 of 14), Read 164 times
Date: Thursday, November 28, 2002 06:08 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Makes one want to break out the crayons. But then the wife yells at me for messing up the walls... Excellent job on the paintings.
mike v

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (6 of 14), Read 161 times
Date: Thursday, November 28, 2002 07:23 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Very nice! I especially liked the reflection/shimmering effect you used in the cove one.
Thanks for sharing.

Haith

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (7 of 14), Read 162 times
Date: Thursday, November 28, 2002 07:49 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

My fave is "Solitude." Really captures the feeling of being out there alone.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (8 of 14), Read 162 times
Date: Thursday, November 28, 2002 08:47 AM
Author:Twicknam1
Email:twicknam1@aol.com

Beautiful! I envy people with talent like this! I cannot draw a convincing stick-man! But this - this is wonderful stuff!

Keep it up!

Terry

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (9 of 14), Read 151 times
Date: Thursday, November 28, 2002 07:22 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

Thanks for all the compliments guys! I sure enjoy painting. Doing art based on boating and fishing trips combines together some of my favorite things to do.

Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (10 of 14), Read 133 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 09:21 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

My favorites are Little River, The Cove, and Trinity. Thanks for sharing your talent with us. I liked the deep, rich colours, along with the scenery which looks like something I might find in the nearby wilderness.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (11 of 14), Read 140 times
Date: Sunday, December 01, 2002 07:04 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Thanks, Mark. Just wonderful.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (12 of 14), Read 128 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, December 02, 2002 08:24 PM
Author:Craigybird
Email:user426972@aol.com

Yes guy's he is a great artist. He taught me almost all I know about GII. I have been on trips with him and he's very interesting. He taught me how to make a fire and hang my food in trees. He didn't teach me how to roll my GII over and lose my entire sail,mast,boom,and lee board though. This could only be lernt from school of bad knocks. :-( He doesn't paint the pics in the
GII, he sketches from shore and goes home and paints from the sketch. He does great pottery work also. Oh Guys! Never take your outriggers off with the mast up. Even if your sail is reefed all the way. Especially if your out in the middle of the lake. :-)
This is what I like to do when I don't Folbot:

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (13 of 14), Read 127 times
Date: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 07:27 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

could ya repost that.. unzipped.. I have a fit with zip files.. (:>)

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Art Works From A Folbot (14 of 14), Read 112 times
Date: Thursday, December 05, 2002 08:25 PM
Author:Twicknam1
Email:twicknam1@aol.com

Does he not paint in the Folbot because the pottery stuff takes up all the cockpit space?

Terry

Upper Buffalo River Pictures

Subject: Upper Buffalo River Pictures (1 of 6), Read 149 times
Date: Sunday, November 24, 2002 04:44 PM
Author:rgaines
Email:rgaines@sprintmail.com

I visited the Upper Buffalo River earlier this year and finally got the pictures and trip report put together. See: http://www.angelfire.com/mo3/rrgaines/Buffalo2
Robert - West MO - USA

Subject: Upper Buffalo River Pictures (2 of 6), Read 109 times
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 09:47 AM
Author:Illinois
Email:drohde@iquest.net

Robert,
A great story and outstanding photos...creative photos.
I'm going back, re-read and enjoy it again.

Doug Rohde
Indiana

Subject: Upper Buffalo River Pictures (3 of 6), Read 100 times
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 03:46 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Great shots, story.. enjoyed it very much..
hope we'll get more from ya often...
Arkansas is one state that I've only just driven through.. missed a lot aparently..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Upper Buffalo River Pictures (4 of 6), Read 90 times
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:10 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Well Cliffy, I'll be learning a lot about Arkansas. I just bought 29 acres of oak trees on a hill with a house thrown in about 12 miles south of Booneville. It's not lakefront property but not -too- far from water.
Now I'm really starting to feel retired.
73 Gary

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Upper Buffalo River Pictures (5 of 6), Read 88 times
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:12 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

To see some of the best views in Arkansas try driving route 7 over the Boston mountains. Beautiful!

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Upper Buffalo River Pictures (6 of 6), Read 74 times
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2002 09:05 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca


Great photos and story. The photos look like you were in the deep jungles of South America. Beautiful flowers, peaceful waters. Utopia. Thanks.

Tiki Island II

Lake San Antonio

Subject: Lake San Antonio (1 of 5), Read 147 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, November 23, 2002 01:21 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2400.JPG, 2401.JPG, 2402.JPG, 2403.JPG, 2404.JPG

On vacation I paddled for 2 days on Lake San Antonio north of Paso Robles Ca. Most lakes (reservour)in the central part of ca. are very low for irrigation and for suppling water to LA. Lake Nacimento was only 15% full just south of here. This lake was 62% full with 65 or less miles of shoreline. I stayed at the south campground with shoreline and RV campgrounds which is 15 miles from the dam. The north campground has the marina,store and camping away from shore. The weather for Monterey county was 70 degrees,sunny and a cool 40 degrees at night, clear. I arrived on sunday november 17th and only a few folks were around till sundown. The area I camped at had the open air showers, restroom and water uphill. The country store I found was only open on the weekend. The lake had few if any power boats to deal with, the lake was mine to enjoy. Rolling hills of oak, birds plentiful and the fish jumping. The evening was a full moon and in the mourning the lake was misty will all types of birds-ducks, pelicans, seagulls all making their sounds to add to the mourning air. On Monday most cove shoreline camping was empty with a few RV's on the hill great place to camp with tree's at the campsites but to far to shore. I did place the sail up and if any wind came along would just assist me as I paddled along. This lake and others is not the place to be during the summer months but during spring the lakes are full to enjoy. After I headed to Monterey and San Franciso checking out the sights and visiting friends. Homeward bound stopped in Fresno to meet Mike V with dinner at the Hofbrau.
pete

Subject: More pictures (2 of 5), Read 150 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, November 23, 2002 01:29 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2405.JPG, 2406.JPG, 2407.JPG

Pictures of Monterey.
pete

Subject: Lake San Antonio (3 of 5), Read 142 times
Date: Saturday, November 23, 2002 02:08 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Cool pics, Pete. Love the misty morning shot. Surreal. Boy those hills are brown ... green in the spring, I bet.

SA Lake looks like a very good spot for early May.

Thanks for posting them.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Lake San Antonio (4 of 5), Read 140 times
Date: Saturday, November 23, 2002 04:00 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Great photos Pete. The moon over the hillside reminds me of my favorite camping area. About 3 hours from home, very dry country, you look out over Nicola Lake and the hills, and see the moon rise every evening and reflect across the water. The scenery is almost the same. It must have been a great outing, few boats on the water.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Lake San Antonio (5 of 5), Read 128 times
Date: Sunday, November 24, 2002 06:22 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

It was outstanding to meet Pete. He had the van packed to the gills with boat, sail, greenland paddles and all the other accessories one needs on a trip, including 8" telescope. Pete did catch some of the infamous valley Tulle Fog but it is getting winter here and the coast hills are clear and yellow, if not tinder dry. With some rain this place will be green by February and yellow again by May. We're desert after all.
mike v

Kodiak or Yukon

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (1 of 1), Read 119 times
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 01:45 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

Jon, I've read on this forum that the US military drops loaded Folbots out of airplanes. If that's true and you need a tougher boat I have no suggestions for you.

One reason for the price difference is that retailers are entitled to a profit. Folbot sells direct.

If you've spent any time reading the posts on this board there is no need for me to repeat my total satisfaction with my 1995 GII which I've used and abused heavily since it was new.

If you think a Klepper is more durable than a boat that gets dropped out of airplanes or you think the service of a local retailer is worth the price and you don't want the unbelievable Folbot life time warrantee...well I disagree but to each his own.

You sound like a smart guy so I'll say "Enjoy the new Folbot that you're about to order.

Dickc

Wallowa Lake

Subject: Wallowa Lake (1 of 11), Read 207 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 08:08 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2408.JPG, 2409.JPG, 2410.JPG

Wallowa Lake is a large, pristine, glacial lake at the foot of the Wallowa Mountains and the Eagle Cap Wilderness Area. Elevation of the lake is about 4600 feet and many of the nearby peaks are in the 10,000 foot range. The lake is about 3.5 miles long and 1 mile wide. Its deep 400 feet and is home to a large population of kokanee salmon (land-locked sockeye). I was there in early October and the kokanee were spawning in the creeks. Anyway here are the pictures.

Paddle-on Mark

Subject: Wallowa Lake (2 of 11), Read 186 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 05:13 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty place.. very pretty.. Wildlife. ???
Wondering what state.. or country..?? canada?? Calif.. ??
I'd surely like some potential destinations.. like this..!! great photos..!!

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Wallowa Lake (3 of 11), Read 188 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 06:16 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

How beautiful. I love the picture of the wavy reflections of trees and mountains. Is this in Oregon? Is there camping nearby? What was the air and water temp when you were there? Definitely one for the list.
AnnD

Subject: Wallowa Lake (4 of 11), Read 187 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:13 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

I too, have to ask where is this place. No snow with mountains that high in October, I am confused.
mike v

Subject: Wallowa Lake (5 of 11), Read 185 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:20 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Wow, beautiful pictures. I had to do some research, it's in Oregon isn't it?

France
the little folding kayak company inc.
Canadian Folbot agent - http://www.folbot.ca
** Easy to carry - easy to assemble - easy to store... Folbot, just add water!

Subject: Wallowa Lake (6 of 11), Read 179 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:16 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Yes, nice place. Would love to camp on the hillside in photo 3 West Lake. We eagerly await the location.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Wallowa Lake (7 of 11), Read 176 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 05:14 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Wallowa Lake is in the extreme NE corner of Oregon. Untypical of the "wet" side of Oregon ... typically pretty dry over there, but snows a bit in winter and gets very cold. Incredibly beautiful and a wonderful state park. At the N edge of the Eagle Cap Wilderness, a huge area full of high mountains and back country trail hiking.

Good hunting in the mtns for elk.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Wallowa Lake (8 of 11), Read 169 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 06:42 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2411.JPG

Cliffy,

Here is a pic of some of the wildlife at Wallowa Lake. Lots of deer hang out in the State park. Oct is a great time to go, for most of the day (Sat.) I was the only boat on the lake. It had snowed there the week before so I guess everyone thought the season was over. I caught some nice rainbow trout that day.

Dave K. (fellow Oregonian) thanks for filling everyone in on the location.

Mark

Mark

Subject: Wallowa Lake (9 of 11), Read 157 times
Date: Thursday, November 14, 2002 06:16 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Hope you'll repost the pic.. love to see it.
as an anicdote while we wait..
once with my son, we left our cub scout camping trip after two days.. and traveled to our wife/mother's girl scout campout area to finish off their trip for the last two days.. their area, like ours, previously, had many deer.. lovely creatures, usually benign in behaviour.. anyway...the Wifey's / Mother's area was a wildlife 'rescue' preserve.. they had loud turkeys and canadian geese in the morn's... and danged donkeys that bayed and galloped all night.. we woke several times at night in fear of being trampled in our tent.. what fun.. ha ha.

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Wallowa Lake (10 of 11), Read 144 times
Date: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:44 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Yes Cliffy, to be stampeded to death by donkeys, what a way to go. I would have been fearful too. Buffalo or African water buffalo okay, ( a great story ) but donkeys!?? I guess Oregon to a certain extent is similar to BC. Lots of rain on the coastal areas, with drier country in the interior? Some of the areas of BC are desert. I can travel 2 hrs. from home, through the mountains and find cactus.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Wallowa Lake (11 of 11), Read 131 times
Date: Thursday, November 14, 2002 05:15 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 11/14/02 12:44:00 PM, tiki island II wrote:

>I guess Oregon to a certain extent is similar to BC. Lots
>of rain on the coastal areas, with drier country in the interior?

Yup. About 70% of the land mass in OR is east of the Cascades, and a better candidate for cactus and sage than wet stuff. Even so, there are many nice paddling areas like Wallowa Lake out there. I posted some pics in this conference on out trip to Owyhee Lake, I think.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

No Topic

Subject: No Topic (1 of 1), Read 71 times
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 06:44 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Jon, I'd give a slight edge to the Kodiak for sea paddling. The Yukon is easier to assemble and to get into and out of but the Kodiak will be faster and a bit easier to keep up to speed due to it's longer leaner construction. Not a whole lot of difference but every little bit helps. I'd recommend getting the Expedition package which includes some nice extras.
You may want to go for the Camano paddle too, it's a nice one. Keep the folbot paddle for a spare or rough use.
Have fun.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Kodiak or Yukon

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (1 of 10), Read 238 times
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:34 AM
Author:jon
Email:dxmetal@yahoo.com

I have decided to get a hardshell kayak sit on top for scuba diving or maybe an inflatable.

I definitely interesdted for a single foldable.

The demon inside of me keep on saying "you will get more durable and longer lasting boat from Kleeper or feathercraft. In the long runa it will be worth it. There must be a reason why Folbot is 40% less"

but my conventional wisdom said "Get the folbot its economical and the Kleeper or feathervcraft is definitely way overprice"

I am not trying to bash anyone but just seeking some honest opinion before i spend the money on a foldable.

I am 80% towards the folbot but just needed some assurance.

I am 5"8 165 lbs and pedal exclusively on Tropical SEA. Average distance is about 8 miles and i try to pedal at least 3 X a week. I also like to have extended long weekend overnight trips.

Would a folbot Yukon or Kodiak be more suitable for my purpose ? or the other boat companies ?

thank you again for your help

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (2 of 10), Read 211 times
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:50 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

To the demon...
The durability and longevity of any product is determined by it's use/abuse and care..
To the Conventional wisdom part....
economical isn't all.. the folding speed is quick, spells more use, easier to use than feathercraft.. and at 40% cheaper, you could nearly buy 2 folbots for the price of the klepper.. so.. ????
it's the common delimma we face..
here's a thought.. If a higher price is needed to persuade you.. Send me the money for a feather or klepper.. and' I'll send ya a nice new Folbot.. (:^)...ha..
Seriously... I'd doubt you'd be disappointed.. Folbots have this kind of controversy all the time.. it's not a lesser boat cause it's cheaper.. It's actually a better boat cause it cheaper..
sorry.. this is a hard choice.. and Im not making it any easier..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (3 of 10), Read 195 times
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 02:05 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

A good part of the price difference with Klepper and to some extent Feathercraft is dealer markup. Folbot is sold factory direct so is available at a lower price. Kleppers are quite a bit cheaper in Germany. In fact some people have been known to make a trip to Germany and pick up a Klepper while there. the price difference pays for part of the trip and if you use the boat enough there it could save on duty charges as a "used boat". I've heard though that you can't order one for pickup there. You just have to go buy one when you get there.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (4 of 10), Read 202 times
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 02:30 PM
Author:outcast
Email:viking214@yahoo.com

Jon,
Tough choice. For me there is no decision to make. I've owned a Klepper Aerius2 for 30 years and enjoyed it very much. The build quality is first rate but they are overpriced. Folbots, by comparison, are a great value compared to Klepper with very good factory service to back that up. Like Cliffy says 'Don't abuse them and use them properly you will get a long life out of them. I had a Folbot (non-folding Big Glider) for 31 years and used it for fishing, camping,recreation,etc. and it was like new when I sold it. Good maintenance is the key. Save your money (40% as you say) and get the Folbot. You won't be disappointed. I had a Kodiak and now I have a Yukon Assembly is super fast and easy.
Eddie

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (5 of 10), Read 181 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 06:38 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

I'd expect you could cram a bit more stuff into a Yukon than a Kodiak for overnighters. Although the Kodiak is longer, it is narrower, and it has additional frames impinging on the space in the bow and stern compartments, if I'm remembering rightly. But either should work if you're only doing extended weekends. If you like your creature comforts at the campsite, a Yukon might be a better choice. If sleekness and speed are more important to you, and you're willing to go a little "lite"-er on the camping gear, go for a Kodiak.

If possible, I'd recommend test-paddling, even test-loading both boats. They're different animals.

All that said, I confess that these are the 2 Folbots that I do not own -- folks who really know what you're talking about -- chime on in!
AnnD

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (6 of 10), Read 192 times
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 07:11 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

I must agree about the compartmentalization (whew..)in the Kodiak. Although I think you could carry more weight than a Yukon in one. I believe you have traded the cockpit space (more) for under deck(less)with the Yukon. The Yukon would probably be the platform for Scuba but I would want to take the Kodiak on the longer trips. With some "skin off practice loading" and pre planning you can make the best of the Kodiak storage problems. (The Kodiak will hold about 4 fully packed, medium size, dry bags and several small ones under decks, it is reaching the small ones way forward and aft which become difficult.) The Yukon is the choice for continually having to breakdown and set up. I haven't helped have I...Ho, yeah I have two Kodiaks.
mike v

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (7 of 10), Read 172 times
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 09:45 AM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

If you paddle exclusively on the sea...I would recommend the Kodiak. I think it would handle the rough waves you may encounter with it's smaller cockpit size than the Yukon. Also, it may give you more speed if tides are a factor. If you are only shorelining and jumping in and out of the water for other activities the Yukon's larger cockpit may be better. Think Nike...just do it!

Scott

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (8 of 10), Read 170 times
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 01:41 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

Scot , I have a Kodiak and in order to educate myself could you explain a little deper why you feel the Kodiak might do better in waves than the Yukon.
Bob K

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (9 of 10), Read 164 times
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 06:10 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

On 11/18/02 1:41:00 PM, bobk543@netzero.net wrote:
> ..... the Kodiak might do better in waves than the Yukon.

Speaking from complete ignorance: Longer boat, less cockpit. More length of deck for the water to drop back off instead of pouring over the washboard. Sailing to weather in my Aleut the shorter decks let the water into the cockpit sooner. Guess why I always tie a bailer and sponge into the boat?

Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC


-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Kodiak or Yukon (10 of 10), Read 176 times
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 08:05 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

The Kodiak and the Yukon should both be good in rough seas. They are both stable boats. I think cargo capacity and how well you fit the cockpit will be the main determinants.

If you are much over 5-10, the Kodiak is a difficult fit to get well braced, particularly if you use a rudder. The Yukon has a longer cockpit, so it is easier for long-legged people to fit it well.

Mind you, either can be outfitted for good bracing. Take your pick.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Oh the Lake is low

Subject: Oh the Lake is low (1 of 6), Read 149 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 08:26 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2412.JPG, 2413.JPG, 2414.JPG, 2415.JPG

It's been some time since my last paddle on Lake Meade. Alot had to do with low level and garbage that's been under is now afloat. Anyway I went to what was Hemenway Harbor is now a marina, Las Vegas East. Looking at the picture you see what was knoll is now an island out to mid channel. I found some coves to visit and one can walk the length. The water was a pleasant 63 degrees and the wind was calm so not much on finding out how the sail works. What I did is change the outrigger poles because using an 8 foot paddle I would just hit the floats, now its 45 degree angle. Looks like airplane wings. Since the lake is some 73' low there was and is a town of St. Thomas that is now above water showing ruins of structure, walls, windows, poles etc. If the weather holds up I plan to check this out and post some pictures.
pete

Subject: Oh the Lake is low (2 of 6), Read 141 times
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 04:36 AM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some nice photos Pete. What are the darker shaded areas on the side of Black Mountain? The mountain has some great colours. Kind of a mosaic of earth tones. They're all there.
When your rudder is down, is the leading edge in a vertical position, or at a slight angle? Also, what are these ruins about? Sorry for all the questions, but that's what you get for posting photos.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Oh the Lake is low (3 of 6), Read 148 times
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 05:04 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pete.. that rig came together nicely. !!
Shame not enough air to give us a performance report.. but it'll come .. Such pretty area.. and whatever camera youre' using is giving us some great shots.. (not to mention the photographer's work ha ha)..
Love to see the "town" when you can post some more..
best-est..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Oh the Lake is low (4 of 6), Read 149 times
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 08:39 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Holy Cow, Pete .... That sure is low! I lived out in Vegas for about five years and used to do a lot of SCUBA diving and some sailing (Catalina 26 footer) there. Course, Vegas uses water like they reside in Michigan or Minnesota instead of a desert! The Casinos use huge fountains and waterfalls, etc. They were even floating an idea to flood the old Fremont Street (Casino Center) and recreating a "Venice in the Desert". Talk about stupidity! And then they wonder why they have a water problem and the desert floor is sinking, eh?!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Oh the Lake is low (5 of 6), Read 137 times
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 09:23 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 11/6/02 5:04:00 AM, cliffy wrote:

Such pretty
area.. and whatever camera
youre' using is giving us some
great shots.. (not to mention
the photographer's work ha
ha)..

I use two camera's Kodak 2.0 and a Sony 5.0 megapixel. This day was the Kodak.

pete



Subject: Oh the Lake is low (6 of 6), Read 141 times
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 09:02 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 11/6/02 4:36:00 AM, tiki island II wrote: What
are the darker shaded areas on
the side of Black Mountain?
I would say minerals and my picture was taken close to sundown.

When your rudder is down, is
the leading edge in a vertical
position, or at a slight
angle? Vertical with some play in it. May have to mod this for sailing.

Also, what are these
ruins about?

This weekend we will have a nasty weather front coming thru but the lake will not fill up any time soon so the ruins will wait.
St Thomas was built before the dam and when Boulder Dam (Hoover) was built the town folk moved to higher ground in Overton. On low water some of town is above. Go to search type st thomas nevada there is a picture of the town at low water.
pete



Finland fotos

Subject: Finland fotos (1 of 19), Read 409 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 01:46 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com
Files:2416.JPG, 2417.JPG, 2418.JPG

Hope you all enjoy the photos!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: And again (2 of 19), Read 365 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 01:50 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com
Files:2419.JPG, 2420.JPG, 2421.JPG, 2422.JPG

Second batch.

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: And again (3 of 19), Read 375 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 01:53 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com
Files:2423.JPG, 2424.JPG, 2425.JPG, 2426.JPG

Even more shots!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Last but not least (4 of 19), Read 395 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 01:57 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com
Files:2427.JPG, 2428.JPG

And this should be the lot!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Last but not least (5 of 19), Read 385 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 05:18 AM
Author:
Email:oatman

Thanks for the pics. We appreciate the effort you made to post them. Always love to see pictures of folding yaks.

Subject: Last but not least (6 of 19), Read 381 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 06:01 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Beautiful area there Aedan.. I didn't know what to expect from Finland, but am very much pleased and surprised at the area photo's.. that "timber canal" shot is one that really took me back.. it'll make the wall behind my desk for sure.. (:>).. a Place of honor by the way... ha..
Pretty place.. thanks.. and send all you want.. Great.!!!!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Last but not least (7 of 19), Read 363 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 06:31 AM
Author:creechness
Email:folbot1@aol.com

Aedan,

What beautiful photos! We at Folbot really enjoy viewing our customers out enjoying their Folbots. Thanks for posting!

Carol
Folbot, Inc.

Subject: Last but not least (8 of 19), Read 364 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 06:39 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Echoing the others...thanks for the awesome pictures. Beautiful area!

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: Last but not least (9 of 19), Read 365 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 06:43 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Aedan,
Great photos. I've been to your beautiful Country twice and loved it and the people. If somebody just dropped me off in Finland and I didn't know where I was, I guess Upper Michigan or Minnesota here in the U.S. Maybe that's why so many of your people immigrated to upper Michigan and Minnesota; looked just like home with all the rolling hills and lakes. Keep the pictures coming. Oh, by the way, you can keep your Cloudberry liqueur though.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Last but not least (10 of 19), Read 367 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 06:43 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

In one of the photos there seems to be a highly decorated greenland style paddle. Could you comment? What a great range of places to paddle. Can you camp anywhere? More, more, more adventure shots!
mike v

Subject: Last but not least (11 of 19), Read 371 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 07:15 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

Thanx for all the great feedback! The greenland paddle is a Feathercraft Klatwa (beautiful oiled thing!), which I decorated with a Tlingit (Pacific Northwest) design I borrowed - eagle and bear. That's me slouching down in the Big Kahuna cockpit. (should work on the posture). Gobe - I don't want the cloudberry stuff either;}

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Last but not least (12 of 19), Read 348 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:42 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Aedan,
I think it was a friendly joke myself. I've drunk some terrible stuff in my misspent youth, but nothing that would compare to that! I have a half bottle left, if anybody wants it.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Last but not least (13 of 19), Read 336 times
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:35 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Hi

Great photos of beautiful and interesting places in Finland to kayak! The Timber Canal is unique and special, but per our discussion I could have mistaken some of the other photos of places I have been to around the Great Lakes. What body of water were you on?

Referring to my American neighbor's similar comment, I guess it comes down to three countries but one earth and we brothers/sisters of the Fold.

- Gary
Canadian Greenland 2 Kayaker

Subject: Last but not least (14 of 19), Read 317 times
Date: Friday, November 01, 2002 01:05 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

Gary

The timber canal was part of a sawmill complex on the aptly titled Sågholmarna (lit. Sawmill Islands). There's actually two smallish islets with two canals cutting through them. This is in the Porvoo archipelago just off the island of Kråkö (trans. 'Crow Island'). The other shots that looked like Georgian Bay were taken out in the Turku archipelago, off the main islands of Pargas and Nagu (Kasan Island is a small outlier with unbelievable rock faces). Camping is allowed just about anywhere that isn't inhabited (Allemansrätten - right of public access). If you want to camp on private land, you just ask the owner permission (often given) and promise to stay out sight, not light any fires and clean up after yourself. Out in the Turku archipelago, there are so many sheltered (i.e. treed) and uninhabited islets that it's never really that hard to find a really good campsite. There ain't nothing like cracking open an ice cold beer after a day of paddling and watching the sun go down over the Baltic. Why didn't I think of this before?!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Last but not least (15 of 19), Read 314 times
Date: Friday, November 01, 2002 06:36 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

One more question... never seem to get them all in on a single post.. how long of a paddling season do you have up in the North..
or do you continue as long as there's soft water.. ???? I seem to remember some posts from up there with snow flying and lying on the slopes.. that'd be an excellent experience also..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Last but not least (16 of 19), Read 320 times
Date: Friday, November 01, 2002 06:53 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

We're still paddling right now, even tho we've been having an unseasonably cold fall (already had a bunch of snow). But the water's still open and we've got some good cold water gear. It is cool to paddle through a white landscape!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Last but not least (17 of 19), Read 288 times
Date: Saturday, November 02, 2002 04:05 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Lovely shots, Aedan! What is the water temperature like in that area -- wetsuits needed in summer?
AnnD

Subject: Last but not least (18 of 19), Read 258 times
Date: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:49 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

Right now, the water temps are pretty low (approx. 45-50 F), but in the summer it's just t-shirts and shorts in the archipelago. Water temps get pretty high (65-75 F), which makes those capsize drills extra fun.

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Last but not least (19 of 19), Read 211 times
Date: Monday, November 11, 2002 02:10 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Beautiful photo's Aedan, Oh for that water temperature, how nice would that be :-)

Gobe I am still paddling and should be with you soon. Keep that half bottle of Cloudberry, I'll drink anything. LOL.

eve x

Turku and Porvoo archipelagos

Subject: Turku and Porvoo archipelagos (1 of 3), Read 135 times
Date: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 05:14 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

Finally got around to posting some photos from some of our paddles up here in Finland. Enjoy!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Turku and Porvoo archipelagos (2 of 3), Read 112 times
Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:01 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

Sorry about that. The files were way too big so I'm trying to get em down to size. Hopefully I'll get the shots out to you all soon.

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Turku and Porvoo archipelagos (3 of 3), Read 102 times
Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 08:37 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Please keep trying, I .. for one.... would love to see 'em..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Rainbow River

Subject: Rainbow River (1 of 12), Read 359 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, October 19, 2002 05:02 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2429.JPG, 2430.JPG, 2431.JPG, 2432.JPG

Here are some pics I took today while out in my GII with my latest cool toy.......Logitech Pocket Digital camera which holds up to 53 pics and is the size of a credit card (fits in my otter box with my wallet). The Rainbow River is the 3rd largest spring fed (99% pure) fresh water river in Florida (500 million gallons/day) and is crystal clear along its entire 7 mile length (rare in FL since most are rain fed/tanic).

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Rainbow River (2 of 12), Read 255 times
Date: Sunday, October 20, 2002 04:02 AM
Author:tmbmiafla
Email:tmbmiafla@yahoo.com

Nice pics thanks. I am headed up that way this week, Cirtus Co. and not any extra days but will put Rainbow Springs and river on my list of places to check out. BTW is that GII tan, it looks so natural on the water.

Tom Brown
Beautiful TAN G II
"There is nothing- Absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats."

Subject: Rainbow River (3 of 12), Read 261 times
Date: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:08 AM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

FYI: Not tan, but a new yellow GII (rec'd. Sept. 02). Bright sun/glare yesterday distorted true color.

Subject: Rainbow River (4 of 12), Read 231 times
Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 02:46 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Paddling those clear waters is just amazing.. I hope to spend more time in'em my self soon..
thanks for the pics. send more..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Rainbow River (5 of 12), Read 214 times
Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:00 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Nifty pix, Tsquare! In #3, what is that shadowy shape -- the shadow of boat and paddle against the bottom? Or...? Looks almost like background music is required -- da-dum.... da-dum...
AnnD

Subject: Rainbow River (6 of 12), Read 232 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:06 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2433.JPG

Ann D,

Yes, that's the hull shadow from my GII. No sharks in this fresh water, but some small gators occasionally. Luckily, they don't like the annual 72 degree (cold?) water. However, down river where the Rainbow exits into the warmer Withalacochee.......look out! This is a headline from our local paper last month. Word to the wise, don't go swimming late evening with your dogs (a.k.a. bait)!

Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Rainbow River (7 of 12), Read 219 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, October 26, 2002 04:33 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2434.JPG, 2435.JPG, 2436.JPG, 2437.JPG, 2438.JPG

Went out today 10-26-02 with my 6 year old. Both of us road our bikes down to the river. Had a blast! Enjoy.

Mike Kirk,
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Rainbow River (8 of 12), Read 230 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, October 26, 2002 05:13 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net
Files:2439.JPG, 2440.JPG

Two more from above message.

Subject: Rainbow River (9 of 12), Read 224 times
Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 02:47 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

"Camp pic 11".. man o man what clear water ..!!!!!!
Love those spring fed places.. that pic is nearly unbelievable.... My first like that was at Wakiva St Park north of Orland0... another near Hommasassa.. (sorry for spelling) so many places, so little time..
I pulled everyone in the office over to look at these pics... they all were amazed..
thanks.. you've promoted the sport a lot today..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Rainbow River (10 of 12), Read 226 times
Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 05:51 AM
Author:blackbird
Email:jksid@wcoil.com

Great pics! I used to go "tubing" and canoeing on some of those great Florida spring-fed rivers. It's almost like flying, with that amazing clear water supplying the wings. Got to get back down there this winter when all our Ohio water is stiff.

Blackbird

Subject: Rainbow River (11 of 12), Read 203 times
Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:05 PM
Author:Tsquare
Email:tsquare@surfbest.net

On 10/27/02 2:47:00 AM, cliffy wrote:
>"Camp pic 11".. man o man what
>clear water ..!!!!!!
>Love those spring fed places..
>that pic is nearly
>unbelievable.... My first like
>that was at Wakiva St Park
>north of Orland0... another
>near Hommasassa.. (sorry for
>spelling) so many places, so
>little time..
>I pulled everyone in the
>office over to look at these
>pics... they all were amazed..
>thanks.. you've promoted the
>sport a lot today..
>cliffy
>http://www.geocities.com/heart
>land/bluffs/3655


You are welcome.....thanks for the compliments or should WE rightfully thank Mother Nature. Love to share our beautiful river and give it justice. I consider myself VERY fortunate to live so close to a place like the Rainbow River and am making sure my boys (3 & 6yrs) realize its rare beauty and treasure it too. In Florida, it's a never ending struggle to keep development away. The entire town recently narrowly sunk/petitioned against a river-side landowner (had good lawyers on his side) who wanted to pump 10,000 gals/day for Zephyrhills Bottled Water. It's like the proverb: "If a camel sticks his head into your tent, the rest will surely follow".

Anyway, the pics will keep coming up and until I drop the non-waterproof digital camera into the water! Some of these shots (including Pic #11) required me to stand/tread water. Might try taking picture with camera in zip-lock bag? Should be venturing over to nearby Crystal River in late November to get some nice manatee pics for everyone. In the meantime, it will be more same-o same-o of the Rainbow River since it's hard to get motivated to paddle elsewhere!


Mike Kirk
Dunnellon, Florida

Subject: Rainbow River (12 of 12), Read 206 times
Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:49 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Just a thought about your picture taking ..... during my misspent youth, I used to do a lot of SCUBA diving. We had a little trick to take underwater pictures with a regular camera (being poor, but resourceful, don'tcha know) We would take an oval, single plate facemask that had a metal band around the edge to ensure it was sealed and unscrew the metal band. It has to be the type that uses a screw to tighten the metal band. We'd take the faceplate out, put the camera with an Alka-Seltzer tablet in a plastic bag. Then we'd slip the rubber part of the mask without the faceplate over the open end of the plastic bag and then reinstall the faceplate and metal band to secure the whole assembly. The result was a camera that was sealed into a plastic bag who's controls could be manipulated through the plastic. When we wanted to take a picture, we'd just press the front of the camera up against the faceplate and shoot. It worked great in fairly shallow water (you lose light and color as you go down anyway). The Alka-Seltzer tablet? Excellent leak detector! You really couldn't see small leaks of water when you were underwater, but if you got 'em the ol' reliable Alka-Seltzer tablet would let you know right away. Worked good if you wanted to take pictures in the rain, too. It's also a thought for you folks that carry expensive cameras or digitals that want to keep them dry, but instantly available to shoot. It's best if the plastic bag is not much bigger around than the measurement around the faceplate. Dat's my invention ... nothing elaborate, just works!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

New-to-me Pisces

Subject: New-to-me Pisces (1 of 3), Read 138 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:55 AM
Author:techperson
Email:michael@ctsl.com
Files:2441.JPG

Here's the Folbot I just bought.

Subject: New-to-me Pisces (2 of 3), Read 141 times
Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 06:33 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Very nice looking boat. I'm sure you'll get much joy out of it.


Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: New-to-me Pisces (3 of 3), Read 134 times
Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 06:51 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Hey techperson ...... the people on Netscape cannot open your picture because it has spaces in the title. You've either got to runittogether or run_it_together for them to open it. I'll be able to see it at home, but can't open it at work because we're on Netscape here.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

lime lake, ontario

Subject: lime lake, ontario (1 of 14), Read 223 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 09:33 AM
Author:jasondeyo
Email:deyo@mac.com
Files:2442.JPG, 2443.JPG, 2444.JPG, 2445.JPG, 2446.JPG

yo

i got a new used aluet back in september. love the boat. here are some pictures from the second time i used it. it was pretty foggy at 6am in canada, not much to see. i was taking the pictures so thats my buddy trying out the aluet.

i'm headed for bon echo in two weeks, so i'll post those pictures, which i hope will be more interesting.

take it easy

Subject: lime lake, ontario (2 of 14), Read 153 times
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:15 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Hi Jason,

Looks just like Scotland at lunchtime. LOL.
I cannot believe that anyone would want to sell their Aleut. Their loss and your gain huh?
Loved the spiders web and look forward to more photo's without the fog. Get up a little later and it may have gone, 6am is far too early for any kayaker ;-)

Eve. x

Subject: lime lake, ontario (3 of 14), Read 138 times
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 04:09 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

That Aleut is a hard boat not to love..
Looks like your's is an excellent example too.. glad you got the leak fixed.. I know it was a concern.. but that's behind you now..
And by the current photo's. it looks like we can expect some really intersting stories and pictures to be forth coming..
think -flotilla-... maybe we'll all gather close by soon..
best to ya..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: lime lake, ontario (4 of 14), Read 139 times
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 04:53 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Hey Cliffy,

Once I get my new house, I will have 4 bedrooms. Let's have a Flotilla in Scotland and I'll put you all up :-) and teach you how to drink ;-D
Now there's a challenge.

Eve xo

Subject: lime lake, ontario (5 of 14), Read 134 times
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 05:58 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Hey, Eve ... I have been taught by some really friendly Scots when I was over at Rolls Royce in Bristol. However, I'd love to have a comparison to see if they really had it right! By the time the night was over, the truth wasn't in any of us. You should have heard the stories!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: lime lake, ontario (6 of 14), Read 130 times
Date: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 08:01 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

as with all hobbies / lifestyles.. once one has learned how to do something, one must practice to be good at it..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: lime lake, ontario (7 of 14), Read 131 times
Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 07:04 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Those pictures of the fog brought back some memories.
In my case it was the early morning mist rising from the upper Humber River. The Humber is tremendous for Atlantic Salmon and is visited by fly fishers from all over the world. I launched and could figure out fairly well how in the middle of the river I was by the sounds of the salmon fishermen's lines cutting the air. The swish swish swish...something beyond explanation...would have to be experienced.
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: lime lake, ontario (8 of 14), Read 125 times
Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:58 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Hey, thanks Rod. Any other fog stories. I don't mean after too many drinks.

Tiki Island II

Subject: lime lake, ontario (9 of 14), Read 125 times
Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 04:28 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Nope. No fog stories at all actually...that one was river mist/steam. In my paddling I tend to avoid fog like the plague. Between the risks of collisions with objects or power boats, there is that element of our geography that puts me on the eastern edge of North America. Fog is one of the most dis-orienting phenomena of nature. Would not be a nice feeling to have the fog clear and see no land. Even worst would be seeing Tom Hanks' "Wilson" floating past!

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada, eh!

Subject: lime lake, ontario (10 of 14), Read 126 times
Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 06:24 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

I'm not at all sure that he and "Wilson" should have ever left that island! He owned the whole island without paying a cent for it, had no Government pukes telling him what to do, not do and what to think, no taxes and "Wilson" just listened and didn't give him any crap!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: lime lake, ontario (11 of 14), Read 122 times
Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 09:39 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

"Wilson" was a good friend indeed..
So understanding.. so agreeable..
as much as I like to pick up floatsum I think i'd leave ole "Wilson" to the currents.. Fog on the other hand.. Me watch fog from the shore.. me scared of fog.. it is definitely one of my 'limitations'..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: lime lake, ontario (12 of 14), Read 102 times
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:32 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Hi

I loved those shots of your Aleut in the fog.

The photos reminded me why I now never leave the shore without my GPS and a survival kit. A few years ago I got lost in a fog. I had to cross the large mouth of an inlet when a surface fog moved in. It was scarry being on a large body of water and not have any visual clue that I was on course. If I got my bearings wrong I would be on a very long journey.

But I was saved by a family of Otters. I trusted that they knew where they were going so I followed them across.

Where is "Lime Lake"?

- Gary

Subject: lime lake, ontario (13 of 14), Read 88 times
Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 11:00 AM
Author:jasondeyo
Email:deyo@mac.com

i like paddling in fog, as long as i know where i am. the world feels a whole lot smaller on foggy waters.

i guess the otter is natures gps?

lime lake is located north west of kingston, ontario, canada.

Subject: lime lake, ontario (14 of 14), Read 88 times
Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 04:37 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Always found it kind of eerie listening to the fog horns. You know there are boats out there, yet can't see them. I'm standing on terra firma, and you feel for those on the water. After the fishing fleet ( about 40 boats ) left Kyuqout a fog bank rolled in. Nobody dared to try to get back in, so for a couple of days you listened to all the chat on the CB's while they floated around off the coast waiting for a break. Kind of scary for a landlubber like me ( and I was on shore ).
But, early morning, a mist, calm water, a ghost shoreline, nice paddling.

Tiki Island II

Aleut as garbage scow

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (1 of 7), Read 258 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, September 28, 2002 07:45 PM
Author:prathmann
Email:prathman@attbi.com
Files:2447.JPG, 2448.JPG, 2449.JPG

Today I took my Aleut on a Bay Area Sea Kayaker's (BASK) trip to clean up a section of beach on Angel Island in San Francisco Bay. Our section of beach was not easily accessible from land, so we had to load the gathered trash into and on our boats for transport to another landing spot with vehicular access.

Attached is a photo taken by John Boeschen as I paddled past with my loaded Aleut.

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (2 of 7), Read 209 times
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 06:23 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

If you hadn't said you were collecting garbage, I'd have thought you were abandoning civilization ... looks like floating luggage.. ha..
Looks like a pretty good load, your'e a good ole guy for participating in the clean up..
were' proud of ya...
now about that orange thingy.. I dont have one of those.. {:>}
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (3 of 7), Read 175 times
Date: Monday, September 30, 2002 04:39 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Hey, come clean! You were going on a two nighter and your wife caught you on film. Really, it's nice to see that people care about the visual impact and health issues of their recreation areas. It sure hurts to paddle into a pristine area, and come across some litter left behind, or a previous camp left uncleaned.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (4 of 7), Read 157 times
Date: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:32 AM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Hi

Nice shot of the Aleut. I didn't realize it looked that long. I haven't seen one in person.

Wouldn't you just love to paddle over to the offender's house and dump all that crap in his/her living room? But then the additional garbage would probably fit right in with the previous garbage.

A better picture would be if you had caught the offender and had him/her trussed up like a plucked turkey and tied over your bow.

Kayakers who litter need a two man kayak so they can take their MOM along to pick up after them.

I do appreciate anyone who leaves Nature the way she/he found it. I appreciate even more people like you who undo the damage of the uncaring. Thanks !!!

I am also very happy that Canada has just set aside land for 10 additional National parks and I think 5 protected marine areas. Some of this is outstanding kayaking territory.

The concept of National parks is an American original idea. Thanks America !

Gary

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (5 of 7), Read 158 times
Date: Monday, October 07, 2002 04:41 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Much of that garbage was likely not deposited by humans directly, but rather washed ashore by waves from the ocean, you'd be surprised I'm sure to find out much of it's origins. Still garbage of course and tremendous kudos to the group that does this cleanup.
Having pretty much grown up around the ocean there is always stuff floating ashore.
But I'm also pleased to report there seems to be less of it now, then when I was growing up.
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (6 of 7), Read 156 times
Date: Monday, October 07, 2002 08:16 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I probably couldn't be categorized as an enviornmentalist, but i've loved to pick up stuff found floating since I was a little dude.. take it home and see what I've got... more fun than most anything else.. ("hey dad, lookee what I found")
Dad would laugh, and usually put it in the trash when I wasnt' looking.. I'd find cool stuff like old bottles,shoes etc.. some I'd envisioned left over from wars, or shipwrecks.. I recently found a 20 ft sailboat inverted , thought it was a whale til I got close.. it's a fun hobby and if the world benefits... all the better I suppose.


cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Aleut as garbage scow (7 of 7), Read 165 times
Date: Monday, October 07, 2002 08:21 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

oh.. the sailboat.. it was too big to put in the boat..so I had to leave it... yeah. .. I"m sorry.. no passengers aboard though.. at least that.. victim of a hurricane or bad storm i reckon.. wasnt' there on my last visit to same spot....
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

No Topic

Subject: No Topic (1 of 15), Read 246 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 05:57 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Maybe you met the same Waiter as I did in Paris. I was in Toulouse and thoroughly enjoyed it, including the world renown Cassoulet. All of my Grandparents came from France, but after a "romantic" stopover with my wife-to-be, after meeting her family in Germany, I told her that if she EVER scheduled me for a stopover in Paris again, I'd divorce her before I married her! I've traveled the world over many times and I can't remember a city that was any filthier than Paris. The best time to see it is at night when you can't see the filth, but just one look around Charles DeGaul Airport ought to give you a hint. When we were there, I told my present wife that I understood why my Grandparents left that Country and thanked God that they did! The best part about spending an overnighter in Paris was hearing the gear go up in the wheelwells of the 747 the next morning. Other than that, I have no particular strong feelings about it!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: No Topic (2 of 15), Read 168 times
Date: Sunday, September 22, 2002 04:26 AM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

The waiter that I met was in Arles. I agree Paris is one of the filthier cities that I've been in. New York is pristine by comparison. For a very beautiful and spotlessly clean "French" city closer to home try Quebec. A completely enjoyable experience both times I was there.

Dickc

Subject: No Topic (3 of 15), Read 160 times
Date: Monday, September 23, 2002 05:12 AM
Author:shader
Email:f_temmerman@pandora.be

Thanks "Gobe", for your view on Paris after your extensive visit of the city. I am pretty sure you expressed your opinion out loud (with enough volume that people around you have no other choice than to listen to your eloquent judgements) several times during your "overnighter".
Based on your way of looking at the world, I have to come to the conclusion that all Americans are loud, superficial and ignorant.
Luckily, I am not that stupid.
(By the way, the airport is called "Charles de Gaulle" not "de Gaul")

frank
Brussels

Subject: No Topic (4 of 15), Read 154 times
Date: Monday, September 23, 2002 09:21 AM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

Likewise also Frank!

Let us all smile and be glad we can still express our views...whether we agree or not. It may not always be this easy.

Scott

Subject: No Topic (5 of 15), Read 156 times
Date: Monday, September 23, 2002 09:34 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

To me, Pro's and Con's are the most important parts of an evaluation.
A snake is ugly to some, beautiful to others... we need all the facts to judge..
I like kayaks.. boats.. floaty things, but will get negatives on them also...
You write, I'll read, make my own judgements. "Lemon tree, very pretty......"
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: No Topic (6 of 15), Read 153 times
Date: Monday, September 23, 2002 01:54 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

To offer another impression of Paris: I had the good fortune to escort a small group of college students to France several years ago and I found a Paris with a beautiful little hotel, wonderful food, Gothic cathedrals to explore, incredible museums, friendly people, and places that seemed to be haunted by some of the greatest artists of the Western tradition. I was so enthralled that I just don't remember seeing any garbage. Maybe there was a strike, the French are famous for their labor strikes!
Don't write off Paris too quickly.
Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: No Topic (7 of 15), Read 121 times
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 05:45 PM
Author:piper7
Email:rstaton@cinci.rr.com

Hey Frank. Good to hear from you. I am a bit confused though by the postings here. I had expected to see photos of kayaks in Paris. Never been there, but if I were fortunate to travel there I don't think I would take the time to describe it as filthy. I would just feel lucky to have made the trip. Anywhooo, watch out. The last time I expressed a disagreeing opinion on this board some American guy figured out by my e-mail address that he lived in a city just up the road from me. He sent an offboard note to me and offered to "physically rearrange" my thinkin' Not sure how one does that but I am certainly careful anymore. By the way, do you ever see any Bouviers in Brussels and what kind of waterways do you have there for the folbot. Take care and thanks for the viewpoint.
Saludos

Subject: No Topic (8 of 15), Read 122 times
Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 06:58 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

It bothers me that someone, from this board especially, would try and bully someone around. Using off line tactics is equally disturbing. I personally need Piper7 and Frank and others to keep me on the level. Thanks for hanging in and sticking with us Piper....
mike v

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (9 of 15), Read 121 times
Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 08:09 AM
Author:
Email:sailboy

Well in less than 7 days I will be sitting in gay Paris. Not wanting to be a Gobe, can anyone give me some tips on how not to piss-off the locals? I'm serious, I haven't had a lesson in francois since 9th grade, and it shows. How do I politely avoid the ire of natives/staff as I stumble over their language? I'm sure I can avoid references to sanitation/hygiene because my momma raised me right. And I have contemplated saying that I am a Canadian, but then they may EXPECT for me to speak French. This world travel is tough in times of war.
Merci beaucoup, mes amies
Sailboy

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (10 of 15), Read 123 times
Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 08:35 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

One of the inherent problems of email and the typed word in general is that you see the pure text and not the general context of what is written.
In defense of Gobe, I do not think that he intended to slam Paris in the way it has been perceived. He has been and is a valued contributor to this forum and family on a regular basis. Let's face it...we all have said (or typed) something in our lives that in hindsight we wish we had not. OMIF syndrome (open mouth, insert foot) is a genetic disorder common to the human species.
So let's chill and get on with paddling matters.

Sailboy,
There are some differences between Canadian French and France French, but I think that in general, if you are perceived as trying it will be well received by the locals. Even being able to, or trying to say a simple "thank you" in any language is appreciated by the recipients.
Merci, (Thank you)

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (11 of 15), Read 115 times
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:24 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

I found that if you begin by saying 'Bonjour. Parlez vous englais?', you open a lot more doors. Just using a few key phrases seems to work really well. A French friend of mine told me that when you enter a smaller establishment, you should always greet all staff with a 'Bon jour!'. According to her, lot of foreign visitors miss that courtesy and get off on the wrong foot right away. This was also the case in Alsace-Lorraine, where even the other customers in the store greeted you when you came in! Just a few basic greetings and requests go a long way. Hope this helps some. Bon voyage!

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (12 of 15), Read 123 times
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 04:16 AM
Author:shader
Email:f_temmerman@pandora.be

It is strange how some people get uncomfortable when a conversation might disrupt the "friendly flow" here.
People do not always agree and have to be able to state their opinion.
Gobe stated his in a way that made me feel obligated to respond.
He has contacted me off board about what was said, I'm glad he did, and that's it.

"Not wanting to be a Gobe ..." : too easy score and below the waist, Sailboy.
Have fun in Paris.

frank
brussels

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (13 of 15), Read 127 times
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 06:31 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Thanks, Frank. Guess we need to stay on the wet sports,eh? Keep in mind that we may be having a Rideau River Flotilla in Ontario next spring. If it coincides with one of your many trips over here to New York, maybe you could hook some time on either end of the business and join us. I have "extra" kayaks available, so you wouldn't have to lug anything over from Brussels. Just a thought. I'm sure you'll see the announcement on the Forum when it happens.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (14 of 15), Read 121 times
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 07:15 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

I should add: if you don't know a particular word in French try it in Spanish or German. Most Europeans are far better at languages than us Americans. So too are the Japanese especially the younger ones as English is a requirement in their schools.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Goin' to Pari' (15 of 15), Read 110 times
Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 07:07 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

It's amazing how much you can accomplish with a smile and an occasional shrug. 8^)
People will cluster around and try what English they know combined with hand gestures
sound effects and much pointing. It's part of the fun of traveling.

Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Kayaking Georgian Bay

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (1 of 29), Read 298 times
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 02:25 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

For those looking for cool places to kayak, I thought I'd share a few photos from my trip to Georgian Bay (Ontario - Canada) via the Chikanishing river access. Some kayakers like to paddle along the coast, find deep inlets where a safe and comfortable landing is possible. The shore is all Crown land so the camping is free. The area is classified 'wilderness'

Others like to camp on one of the many islands that are found not far offshore.

Since natural sound files are also included those without broadband may find that the pages load slow.

To advance from page to page, click the green guide at the upper right of each page.

http://members.rogers.com/garyhicks/kayaking/Sunrise.htm

Enjoy the photos and come to Georgian Bay sometime and enjoy the paddle.

- Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (2 of 29), Read 192 times
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 03:09 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Gary, thanks for those photos. Beautiful area. Looks like the shoreline is varied as to rock or vegetation etc.. Why is Georgian Bay so famous? In addition to hearing and reading about Georgian Bay, I have a music tape with a song called 'Georgian Bay Summer'.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (3 of 29), Read 199 times
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 04:15 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Thanks "Tiki Island II" ! Can I call you Tiki? - LOL

I don't have a good answer as to why Georgian Bay is so famous. It IS huge. It is an inland ocean with appropriate swells. It is also a major boating area for all kinds of boats of all sizes. The fishing is great.

I think what draws most of us is the wilderness scenery. The shoreline is rugged but the rocks are old and smooth. You may have noticed the wind sculpted trees. Dare I say, it is a very romantic place.

Mother Nature designed the area I was in for kayakers. She made these little inlets that go inland and duck around ancient boulders making some nice still water with good landing spots...and good shelter for those stormy days.

Much of the shoreline is wilderness. So you sometimes can spot a bear, moose, wolf, otter, or other wild animals. One draw for me and them is the blueberries. :-)

It is also reachable by good paved roads from some of our major cities and American cities in the northern states. It is a wonderful escape from the noise of maddening crowds.

For kayakers I think the islands are a big draw. They are everywhere, uninhabited, and on many are groves of trees - suitable shelter to pitch a tent.

The islands also provide a protective passage for inexperienced paddlers. Kayaks can be rented near the Chikanishing access point.

Speaking of variety, near the Chikanishing access is Killarney Provincial Park. Imagine being in a valley surrounded by white shiny hills but instead of a ground floor you have a water floor. Although one can kayak there...a canoe is more suitable for portages.

I have some pages about one of my Killarney trips if you want a peek:

http://members.rogers.com/nature1/center/georgelake/georgelake.htm

Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (4 of 29), Read 193 times
Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 05:16 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Ha! I like your story book setup. That really is some great looking country ( Georgian Bay and Killarney ). Wow. I'll tell my wife we're leavin tomorrow. It looks like if someone has the time and transportation, those places would be worth getting out to.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (5 of 29), Read 188 times
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 02:15 AM
Author:storbjorn
Email:aedzarrella@hotmail.com

Wow! Gorgeous shots! Georgian Bay looks exactly like the archipelago up here in Finland. Looks like a great place to get away for a paddle.

Aedan Zarrella
Turku/Åbo Finland

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (6 of 29), Read 185 times
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 07:22 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Ok, for the geographically impaired, an one who is not near an atlas, may I have the directions to get there...
mike v

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (7 of 29), Read 185 times
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 09:31 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Vennard,
Head north to enter Paradise (Canada)Continue North, north of Toronto. Keep going north, you will hit Georgian Bay. I canoed it a few years back (before real paddling... before folbot), what a beauty!
France

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (8 of 29), Read 180 times
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 04:46 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Can I have directions from Glasgow please Gary. LOL.
I will have to save up my pennies and get over there for some sunshine and calm water.
Thanks goodness for broadband huh? Your website is pretty impressive. How long does one have to sit at a computer these days to have such an impressive website :-) I loved the frog sounds.

Eve x.

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (9 of 29), Read 183 times
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 05:39 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Yeah, great pictures, and great scenery.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (10 of 29), Read 188 times
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 06:52 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Thanks Everyone for the comments. I hope to see you all on Georgian Bay..next summer.

Eve may have to launch her kayak in the Atlantic soon. It is a long paddle across the Atlantic, up the Gulf of St Lawrence, up the St Lawrence River...through the Trent Canal system..but, Eve, I think you can paddle all the way to Georgian Bay. There are over a thousand islands there so don't get lost but with an ample supply of oatmeal - I know you can do it!

Don't let my photos fool you. I lean towards photographing relaxing scenes but on the other side of those islands it is ugly. Just look at the wind swept pines. Hundreds and hundreds of ship wrecks can be found in Georgian Bay.... much to the delight of the diving community.

For you Mike and anyone else interested in Georgian Bay here is a site that gives locations and information on Georgian Bay Kayak routes

http://www.kayakgeorgianbay.com/where.html

This link is the same site but talks about the Chikanishing access route

http://www.kayakgeorgianbay.com/go/kill2.html

I have had many remarks from my Scandinavian friends that my part of Canada looks like their part of the world. I am delighted we have that in common. The truth is that this world is a beautiful place and there are jewels to find everywhere and that is just one reason Folbots were never meant to stay in bags.

Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (11 of 29), Read 180 times
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2002 06:54 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Gary, Thanks for the web sites, I have book marked them in the appropriate "Kayaking to go" folder and will review them during work today. So far it is beginning to look like retirement will start with a "Kayak across Canada Tour." Way to many great looking spots.
mike v

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (12 of 29), Read 189 times
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2002 07:44 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Hey folks .... how about this area for a Flotilla?!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (13 of 29), Read 177 times
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2002 09:51 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 9/19/02 7:44:00 AM, gobe wrote:
>Hey folks .... how about this
>area for a Flotilla?!

Yowza -- wouldn't that be great!!! Anybody know of a combo motel/campground/launch site-type place?

AnnD

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (14 of 29), Read 183 times
Date: Friday, September 20, 2002 01:56 AM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Hi Anne,

Yes I posted a site a few messages back that gives Georgian Bay access points, routes and facilities. Here it is again: http://www.kayakgeorgianbay.com/where.html

This is a must read for anyone coming to Georgian Bay.

Having said that, I prefer the Chikanishing Creek access point. There is ample parking there. The parking fee is $5.00 CAD per day..what is that about 50 cents USD?

The normal thing is to kayak down the river, across the mouth of Collins Inlet..and then down the coast. You have to share the inlet with motorized boats of all sizes but once you go around the point, kayaks own the water.

Kayakers camp on the islands or on the shore. This is Crown land so there are no fees...and there is ample land for any size camping group. The best and closest sites are often taken between June and September. Non Canadian campers have to register at the Park...but there are no fees.

Did I mention this is true wilderness. There are no toilets and no showers. Bears, Moose and wolves are extras that rarely show up but you have to be prepared. Bears have been spotted on islands 10 km from the mainland.

On the other hand only a few minutes away from the Chikanishing Access is Killarney Provincial Park. It has lots of campsites, showers, flush toilets. Anyone coming that far owes it to themselves to take a paddle around George Lake. There is a boat launch there. Because the first two portages are short in is even possible to portage a kayak 3 lakes in..but the canoe really owns the park interior. 6 people are permitted on each campsite but the campsites are intentionally widely spread out to ensure the isolation people come to Killarney for.

Here is Parks Ontario's website. Look for Killarney in the "Your Parks: link: The photo on the opening page is Killarney Provincial Park

http://www.ontarioparks.com/index.html

Myself, I am an explorer. I don't know where I am going until I get there. I just got a GPS so I can find my way back.

I think an organized outing cannot be that flippant. One idea is to ask Killarney Outfitters to plan the trip with you. They are the experts. They know the water, the location of campsites and things to see. They will exact a fee for that expertise...but once they understand what a flotilla is, what kind of experience the group is looking for, what level of kayaking skills is in the group, how long the event is to be, then I am sure they can come up with something wonderful for all.

Here is their website:

http://www.killarney.com/outdoors_guided_trips/custom_trips_instruction/index.html

For those pilots in the group, there is a small airport at Killarney. You may have to leave your Leer Jet at home. Those who own large boats and can get on the great lakes...well you can come all the way by boat. That is an adventure in itself. Be careful not to run Eve down whom I understand is paddling over from Scotland :-)

Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (15 of 29), Read 177 times
Date: Friday, September 20, 2002 09:43 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

All the prettyness of the place makes it a place I want to see..paddle on...
do they have recyling places along the way to it.. I may need to collect a few aluminum cans to pay for the trip on my pension, I refuse to beg though.. (:>).....
Really loved that site with the music.. great job..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (16 of 29), Read 186 times
Date: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:06 AM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

First I would like to apologize to Ann for misspelling her name. I had a torrid love affair with an Anne so I guess my hand was guided by my heart instead of my brain.

You won't find any cans in Killarney Provincial Park, Cliffy - Forbidden. There are no such rules for Crown Land but most kayakers are a responsible lot (given) who leave their campsites looking like no one in a thousand years had been there before.

But, Cliffy, your American money goes a long long way up here. Parking is about $3.17 USD per night. Crown land camping is free.

For food, we can eat blueberries and fish. The Scots are a generous people so I am sure we can beg some oatmeal from Eve. :-)

I should explain that I have Scottish ancestors and loads of Scottish friends (and they are great friends) I love to tease them because I love to hear them cuss :-)

I can just here Eve muttering, "You cheeky Bast..." - LOL

Perhaps, Cliffy, you can hitch a ride with one of those rich Folder pilots. I made a mistake there to. You CAN fly a Leer Jet into Killarney. Flying directions and airport specs are on this site:

http://www.sportsmansinn.ca/airport.html

This site is well worth any interested parties having a look at..that is looking at the "Kayaking & Canoeing" photos on the site. The photos there give a broader view of what is available in the Killarney section of Georgian Bay.

The important thing is to get here, Cliffy. If you can't afford to get back - all the better. It is a great place to retire to.

Well, I started off just wanting to share a place I love and now I find I am writing a book. I think I have provided some good resources for anyone looking this way for an adventure. There are tons more information on the web that can be searched out. But don't confuse Killarney National Park with Killarney Provincial Park. Killarney National Park, a great park, is in Ireland.

May your Folbot bags often be empty and your adventures safe and rewarding.

Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (17 of 29), Read 189 times
Date: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:22 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 9/20/02 11:06:00 AM, Garu wrote:

>But, Cliffy, your American money goes a long long way up
>here. Parking is about $3.17 USD per night. Crown land
>camping is free.

The rate of exchange is just one of the reasons I like paddling in Canada. Aside from the terrific opportunities (and most places people are happy to share) the place is enormously cleaner than many paddleplaces down here.

And, I have always found Canadians to be more genuinely friendly than States folks in my travels in the US. 'Course I have not been to GA. FL was enough to put me off that part of the US.

I'll vote for a Flotilla in Canada anytime.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (18 of 29), Read 179 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 08:30 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Rog on not coming back home.. ha. love that idea. (:>)..... I'll pick up cans along the way in the U.S.
Visited Canada only once, or one long event while stationed in North Dakota (minot) in the USAF. Motorcycled in around the Peace Gardens near Lake Mitagochi (spelling??) Loved all I met.. a fun loving bunch . ... must be required to be a resident.. (:>)......
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (19 of 29), Read 183 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:19 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Most folks are pretty darn nice to visitors. The Canadians are great, but so are the Aussies, Finns, sometimes the Brits and ALWAYS the Scots! I think people are people the world over and if you get in with folks that have the same interests, everybody's pretty nice. And, every nationality, race and creed have their share of jerks; some more than others (the French come to mind and I'm of French ancestry). You also have to remember that the good Lord invented liqueur to keep the Irish from ruling the world. (Did I miss anybody?)
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (20 of 29), Read 185 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:59 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Well. .with Women from Venus, and Men from Mars.. seems you've missed the whole population.. (:>)....ha ha...
I agree with what you say... hobbies and similar interests vary a lot though.. I've been into a lot of hobbies and some groups are much nicer than others.. Kayaker's seem to be amoung the very best... so willing to help. friendly. etc... I even love the friendly rivalry of hardshellers and SOF'er(skin on frame) ..however.. some hobbies, folks guard their stuff.. have secrets to "NOT" share, etc.. loved the hobby, hated the groups..
this is by far the best-est group of similar interest folks I've been around...

Please... all of you... reach around and pat yourself on the back... I l---.. well.. very much like you all... (:>).....
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (21 of 29), Read 191 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 01:55 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Folks in the outback, especially on Vancouver Island, in Canada, are still my prize-winners.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (22 of 29), Read 173 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 03:17 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

On 9/21/02 10:19:00 AM, gobe wrote:
>every nationality, race and
>creed have their share of
>jerks; some more than others
>(the French come to mind

I keep hearing, that but in 2 separate 2 week trips to France I only found one jerk. The rest were extremely friendly and helpful. I know you have a lot more travel experience than I do.

I totally agree with everything else you said.

Dickc

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (23 of 29), Read 175 times
Date: Saturday, September 21, 2002 03:54 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

I am with you Dick. I have found that if you take a genuine interest in the people and their culture in any place and treat them with respect, you will be treated that way in return.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (24 of 29), Read 148 times
Date: Sunday, September 22, 2002 01:16 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Gary, it is "Porridge" we all eat over here, with our shortbread and haggis. LOL.

As for the French, I went to Paris on my honeymoon, quite a few years ago and everyone I met was wonderful, it is a beautiful city, almost as nice as Glasgow, LOL.

I was a good girl today and was out with the scuba diving club helping to clean the sea bed which was full of fishing line and lures, we caught loads of crabs and lobsters which were really badly knotted up in fishing line, cut all the fishing line from them and gently put them back into the water. A very satisfying day out indeed.
Eve x

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (25 of 29), Read 147 times
Date: Sunday, September 22, 2002 08:07 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

Hi Eve

Isn't porridge made with oatmeal and salt water? Perhaps I should send you some Maple Syrup for your Atlantic kayak trip to help you adjust to Canadian porridge :-)

You would be amazed at how fast I can paddle when a wee bear is after my concoction of porridge, Maple Syrup and Blueberries.

Looking at the great photos in this part of the forum I have gotten some good ideas for future photos. I liked the one taken at water level and I loved yours of kayaking in rough water.

Next summer I plan to take a photo of my Greenland || from under water. In my wee mind, I see the hull silhouetted against the surface with beams of light streaming through the water as I am sure you have seen at about 15' down.

Make sure you bring your Scuba gear. Georgian Bay has an underwater park. I think there are about 22 wrecks there. Not one is a Folbot. In fact it is a well kept secret that Folbot completely failed at making a folding submarine. - just kidding .... LOL

Here is the link:

http://www.parkscanada.gc.ca/parks/ontario/fathom_five/fathom_five_e.htm

So I hope that one day you can come and enjoy diving and Kayaking in Georgian Bay - and bring your hubby. You don't want to waste those romantic star filled moonlit nights.

Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (26 of 29), Read 153 times
Date: Sunday, September 22, 2002 09:22 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

>Next summer I plan to take a photo of my Greenland II from under water.
>In my wee mind, I see the hull silhouetted against the surface with beams of light streaming through the water as I am sure you have seen at about 15' down.

Gary, would that be the Shark's-Eye-View?

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (27 of 29), Read 156 times
Date: Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:10 PM
Author:Garu
Email:garyhicks@rogers.com

LOL

I guess it depends on the water you are in. Ann might say 'Alligators' and Eve 'Loch Nest Monsters' but here all I have to worry about is Snapping Turtles or an amorous Rainbow trout.

But,in fact, a few years back I got hammered by Carp.

Gary

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (28 of 29), Read 147 times
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 03:53 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

I agree with your Ann and alligators, Eve and the Loch Ness Monster, those rascally snapping turtles, but isn't the amorous rainbow trout only a legend?

Subject: Kayaking Georgian Bay (29 of 29), Read 133 times
Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:24 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

I am on my way Gary, I have just passed the Outer Hebrides and my shoulders are bleedin' killin' me. Should be there in about a year or two and I aint sharin' ma purridge wae any o' ya buggers. LOL.
Thought I saw the Loch Ness Monster yesterday, but maybe it was just Tony Blair on his holidays from London ;-)

C U soon.
Eve x

The Scottish Flotilla

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (1 of 19), Read 343 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 05:47 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2450.JPG, 2451.JPG, 2452.JPG, 2453.JPG, 2454.JPG

Last month I received an e-mail from AnneD to let me know that Peter in Scotland had contacted the Forum and was looking to try out a Folbot. I contacted Peter and we met up on Sunday at Portencross on the West coast of Scotland. The lower Clyde Estuary was looking rather choppy, but I knew that if I blew my sponsons up on my Aleut until my face went purple then it was not going under. Peter already owns a double Klepper, so I had to show him what this baby could do.

I went out first and took the waves side on, any hardshell would have had me upside down in the water immediately, but the Aleut behaved impeccably.
Peter then took a shot and before I knew it he was riding the waves and was half way over to the Isle of Arran, he returned with a huge grin on his face. His lovely wife Tricia then had a go and also loved the Aleut.
Judging by the smiles of pure enjoyment from Peter and Tricia, I would say that Folbot should have another sale in Bonnie Scotland soon.
I have enclosed the photo's of the Scottish Flotilla. I hope you enjoy them.

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (2 of 19), Read 286 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 05:54 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2455.JPG, 2456.JPG, 2457.JPG, 2458.JPG, 2459.JPG


Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (3 of 19), Read 295 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 05:58 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
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Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (4 of 19), Read 300 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 06:03 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
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And last photo of Peter and the Aleuts proud owner Eve.

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (5 of 19), Read 304 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 06:31 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Fantastic pictures, Eve!! What a great place for kayaking! You appear to be taking on the Ambassadorship for Folbot over there.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (6 of 19), Read 304 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 06:52 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

I am overly impressed! How does one get out of the boat at the rocks? With that surf? I, at the least, am ungraceful, in flat water, on a sandy beach, and dangerous beyond that. The first Scottish Flotilla must be an unqualified success by shear boat launch alone.
mike v

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (7 of 19), Read 307 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 07:13 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Wowee!! The Aleut as surfboard! How well did the sprayskirt work in those waves, Eve?
AnnD

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (8 of 19), Read 292 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 08:48 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Thanks Denis, I am more than happy to promote Folbot in Bonnie Scotland, they are superb to deal with and I adore my wee banana boat.

Mike, one has to get in and out very quickly and get ones feet wet occasionally, I normally don't have any problems due to being very short at only 4ft 11 inches tall, my centre of gravity is a lot lower than most people :-D I knew there had to be some benefits of being a small fry.

Hi Anne, thanks to you we had a great day and also a big thank you for helping me out with Irfanview, it is so user friendly. The spray skirt worked perfectly and I didn't get too wet.

Eve x

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (9 of 19), Read 286 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:23 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Certainly enjoyed those pictures.. I'll be looking foward to more when 'their' boats show up.. (:>)
Looked like it was a good time..
thanks..
Oh.. where'd the diver go... he was surely overdressed for a ride in the boat.. ha.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (10 of 19), Read 287 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:44 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Hi Cliffy,

The diver is my hubby, he didn't get to see much under the water that day due to the amount of surf, he mainly does wreck diving, hence the twin air tanks. I was becoming a diving widow a few years back and this was the reason I took up kayaking.

Eve x

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (11 of 19), Read 280 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 02:56 PM
Author:piper7
Email:rstaton@cinci.rr.com

Best pictures ever. Who said the sun never shines in Scotland.

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (12 of 19), Read 270 times
Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 04:58 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

I'm usually getting out of the water when it looks like that. You really are a hardy bunch 'way up there'. Thanks for letting us in on that adventure. By the way, nothing better than a pipe and drum band. Some of the most syncopated drumming there is. If you want me to watch a parade, there had better be a Highland band in there.

Good to hear from Bonnie Scotland.

Tiki Island II

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (13 of 19), Read 266 times
Date: Friday, September 06, 2002 04:57 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

If we had to rely on the weather over here Tiki we would never get out and do anything ;-) The Aleut is more than capable of taking much worse waves than that, I even had her out last year in 7-8ft swells and she behaved beautifully. Quite a spooky experience though I must admit.

As for the bag-pipes, please, you are welcome to them. I would much rather listen to my favourite artist from Massachusetts, Taj Mahal. I have seen him live in Scotland three times and he is magnificent.

Eve x

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (14 of 19), Read 235 times
Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 05:37 AM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Thank you, thank you, Eve. Those photos are the best ever.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (15 of 19), Read 236 times
Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:02 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Bless your wee cotton socks Joost, lol.
You will have to get over to the rainy Country to try it out yourself :-)

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (16 of 19), Read 229 times
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 01:39 AM
Author:nzm30
Email:nmurray@frisurf.no

Eve,
Thanks for the pictures and good to see some Folbot activity in Scotland.
If you ever get the opportunity to kayak a wee bit more to the north and west, Western Isles, please update us.
From the web, there seems to be more (kayak) activity now than when I was a young man. The diving was always good.

Neil Murray, ex-Isle of Lewis

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (17 of 19), Read 225 times
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 04:33 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Cheers Neil, I have been to Stornoway a few times, was actually considering moving to the Isle of Lewis, except for all the 'wee frees' too religious for me. I have done some lovely kayaking in Scapa Flow at the Orkney Islands, but didn't have a digital at the time and can't be bothered scanning photographs and resizing etc., etc., I am far too lazy for that ;-)

The Isle of Lewis to Norway, now that's what I call travelling :-)

Eve x

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (18 of 19), Read 201 times
Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 08:10 AM
Author:creechness
Email:folbot1@aol.com

Eve,

Thank you soooo much for the great shots! I enjoy putting a face with names. I do believe Peter and Trisch are going to join the "Fold."


Carol Creech
Folbot, Inc.

Subject: The Scottish Flotilla (19 of 19), Read 203 times
Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:29 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

I do hope so Carol, thanks for your comments.
PS I haven't seen any photo's of you on the Forum ;-)

Eve x

Many Glacier Area

Subject: Many Glacier Area (1 of 6), Read 193 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:39 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
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Our favorite place to camp in Glacier is the Many Glacier area due to the great hikes available right from the campground and the rich variety of wildlife. If you are interested in seeing Grizzlies this is the place for you. Two of our favorite hikes, Iceberg Lake and the Grinnell Glacier and must do's if you are in the area. Beware though that trails often are not open until late July!

You can cart your boats to Swiftcurrent Lake(about .6 of a mile) and paddle to the portage (.2 of a mile) between it and Josephine Lake and paddle there as well. Good wildlife viewing opportunities abound from both lakes.
Michael S

Subject: Many Glacier Area (2 of 6), Read 194 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:45 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2470.JPG, 2471.JPG, 2472.JPG, 2473.JPG

more from Many Glacier

Subject: Many Glacier Area (3 of 6), Read 196 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:53 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2474.JPG, 2475.JPG

Love those sunset paddles!

Subject: Many Glacier Area (4 of 6), Read 192 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:52 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 8/31/02 11:39:00 AM, Michael S wrote:

>Our favorite place to camp in Glacier is the Many Glacier
>area due to the great hikes available right from the
>campground and the rich variety of wildlife.

Great pics, once again, Mike.

The Many Glacier area is a fave of mine, also. These pictures show off the natural beauty well. One thing you do _not_ see in the pictures is ... other people. Other people crowd the trails and parking areas near the lodge, but not the lakes. That portage keeps them off the lakes. Too bad for them ... good for you!

Folbots provide a wonderful respite from the hordes, even in a place as popular as Many Glacier. And ... grizzlies can not swim fast enough to catch kayakers!

An excellent illustration of the versatility of folding boats.

Keep those pictures coming!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Many Glacier Area (5 of 6), Read 191 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:00 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
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I can agree with you there... the trails can get crowded and the campground is always full but the lakes were a pleasure to paddle... I wanted to take at least one boat up to Iceberg Lake or Grinnell Lake but no takers in the family to help carry it the 8-10 miles round trip... maybe someday...

Subject: Many Glacier Area (6 of 6), Read 190 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:47 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

On 8/31/02 11:52:00 AM, davekru wrote:
grizzlies can
>not swim fast enough to catch kayakers!

Do the grizzlies know that??? If the water is shallow they can run pretty fast.

I know that they can run 41 MPH. One warm Alaska day as I was biking up a hill in Denali National Park at about 5 MPH and reading the signs that warned of grizzlies in the area I was very aware of the difference between 5 and 41 MPH. I felt like "Meals on Wheels"

Dickc



Two Medicine Lake in Glacier

Subject: Two Medicine Lake in Glacier (1 of 5), Read 153 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 08:35 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
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A favorite place of ours in Glacier is Two Med. on the east side. The hiking is tremendous and the campground is smaller and mellower. The campground programs in the evenings are also wonderful. The ranger led hikes are also a must-do!
Michael S

Subject: Two Medicine Lake in Glacier (2 of 5), Read 133 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 06:12 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

These sets of photos (along with the McDonald) are fabulous. The water on McDonald is mind boggling flat. Do you have a seat for the young lady who gets to ride up front? At least a strap to lean back against?
mike v

Subject: Two Medicine Lake in Glacier (3 of 5), Read 124 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:47 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

If you remember an earlier post this year I have a mini-cell foam sheet in the front of our boats and it is very comfortable on her bottom. I highly recommend the foam, if you saw what abuse mine took this summer instead of the boat interior you would not hesitate to use one... She usually leans forward onto the deck washboards and occasionally leans back onto me... I will look at a strap for the front re. your post. We usually just paddle around the shore line together, not multi-mile paddles, she and her sister have a tandem they use when we go off on full day paddles...
Michael S

Subject: Two Medicine Lake in Glacier (4 of 5), Read 103 times
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 03:34 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some really nice photos. The Rising Wolf photo is really spectacular, especially with the misty clouds. Is a Yukon ok for a paddler about 5'2 to 5'4? I'm thinking about my wife, but I can't remember how tall ( er short ) she is or isn't.

Tiki Island II

Subject: Two Medicine Lake in Glacier (5 of 5), Read 109 times
Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 04:04 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

Thanks... I love being out on the water with my
camera... and I still have more to post from that trip
and this weekend on Monterey Bay!

My wife is about 5'7" and has an Aleut and
paddles it and my Yukon with no problem... We
wish that we had bought 2 Yukons when we got
our yaks..... when we have friends paddle with us,
and we often give rides in our boats, everyone
can fit in my Yukon but taller folks cannot fit in
hers. My Yukon can also fit so much more gear
with ease. And paddling with little ones is fun in
the Yukon as well. Roof racking two same size
boats would be easier as well. The only
downside is that my boat always feels much
heavier than the Folbot listed difference and is
longer.... AnnD can fit her Aleut inside her van, the
Yukon would not fit inside her Eurovan... but both
of our boats do fit inside my fullsize Econolne... I
hope this helps....

LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park

Subject: LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (1 of 12), Read 144 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 08:11 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
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In Glacier National park there are many 'no reservation' campgrounds. During the summer they often fill up by late in the day but if you move from one area to another early in the day you will usually have no problem finding a nice campground. Apgar is the biggest and busiest campground on the west side but it is just a short kayak cart ride down to the lake from any site. We paddled in the morning, afternoon and as you see in the attachments, in my favorite time, around sunset... enjoy! More lakes in Glacier to follow!
Michael S

Subject: LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (2 of 12), Read 120 times
Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 08:34 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

More great pics, Michael! Love the dramatic skies.

Are you using a digital camera? If so, which one? I just invested and have really enjoyed mine, but am leery of taking it on the water.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (3 of 12), Read 124 times
Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 08:52 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

I am using my Nikon 990. I have had it for 3 summers and have taken 14,000 pictures with it (not a misprint!) I love it! It is a 3 megapixel camera and I shoot at the highest resolution (2000 x 1600) and knock the pictures down to e-mail or post. I can print 8x10's nicely from it with my Epson printer... The only thing I wish was that it had a greater zoom... like John Haide's camera. I use a 9x6x4" Pelican box model 1150 and carry extra batteries (it uses aa's like my GPS)and extra compact flash cards in it. On nice days I leave it open on the floor in front of me, on wilder days I take out the camera for a couple of quick shots and immediately put it away and reclose the box. The camera is the main reason why I love my paddle tether... if I didn't have one I would be up the creek without one some day!

Michael S

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (4 of 12), Read 129 times
Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 09:21 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 8/30/02 8:52:00 PM, Michael S wrote:

>I am using my Nikon 990. I have had it for 3 summers and
>have taken 14,000 pictures with it (not a misprint!) I
>love it! It is a 3 megapixel camera and I shoot at the
>highest resolution (2000 x 1600) and knock the pictures
>down to e-mail or post.

I am very impressed with the image quality. Even posted as 640 x 480, as you have done here, it seems like the image quality is better than I do with my 2.1 Meg camera (1600 x 1200 pixels; Olympus D-520). Must be a better lens or something.

Keep on sending those pictures!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (5 of 12), Read 125 times
Date: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:37 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

In a word.....:"Wow"...
I gotta get a bigger clipboard behind my desk for all these great pics.. maybe two..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (6 of 12), Read 124 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 09:50 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Amen, Michael! Those are fantastic pictures. Gotta go there next year after I'm retired.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (7 of 12), Read 125 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:48 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

Glad you are enjoying them...
Michael

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (8 of 12), Read 127 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 02:06 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I'm hoping I can be there too Gobe... maybe we can arrange a meet.. ?? we'll see...
this is one be-u-tiful place...
I'll have to go back and re-read all the bear smart items.. we dont' have 'em down 'heah'.. so I got a lot to learn ....
running speed, swimming speed, what weight do they turn from ground squirrels to bears.. etc...
I was born dumb, but can learn.. (:>)... this place is too pretty to 'not' go,
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (9 of 12), Read 129 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 02:34 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Sounds good to me, Cliffy. Bet we could get some other participants for that one!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (10 of 12), Read 127 times
Date: Saturday, August 31, 2002 08:58 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Ok,,. let's get retired, then make some plans.. maybe we can criscross the nation and meet several times, others too..
Ya looked into a lap top yet.. ?? be handy traveling....
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (11 of 12), Read 131 times
Date: Sunday, September 01, 2002 07:49 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Haven't got the laptop yet. Kinda watching what happens at American. If wifey doesn't make the cut, I may have to help find her a better job. She's got 13 years with TWA, but a "native" American with just six months service has seniority on ALL former TWA people! Talk about fairness, eh?! Maybe we could stowaway on a tramp steamer and visit Australia and New Zealand, eh?
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Camera Used:LakeMcDonald in Glacier National Park (12 of 12), Read 123 times
Date: Sunday, September 01, 2002 09:11 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Tramp steamer might work.. (:>)...
I've talked to the Wifey already about her getting a second job to support me, but she's not taking the bait.. I've considered faking an illness to nudge her along, but that'd take away some of my 'wander' time.. wouldn't look good to be out wandering when I was... "sick:".. etc.. so..
Do doctors still prescribe "going west" for your health.. that'd work.. We had a guy at work that had one prescribe "golf".. yeah.. on a prescription form.. I can't find him though.. dang..
Hope the best for your Wife's job, I know (seriously) it's a concern and worry.. airline work aint' all it's cracked up to be right now..
Put her in that GII, go for a quiet secluded overnight river paddle, take a bottle of wine, maybe that'll reduce the tensions..
Highest of hopes pard....
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Sawtooths

Subject: Sawtooths (1 of 18), Read 206 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:22 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2487.JPG, 2488.JPG, 2489.JPG, 2490.JPG, 2491.JPG

Hi all!

Earlier in the summer we embarked on a trip from California through Idaho to Montana and back. We were ambassadors for Folbot throughout our trip answering questions and giving many many rides to interested parties. I think that as a result of our willingness to answer questions and offer hands on trials there will be many new converts to the fold. Tonight I will start posting pictures of the trip with many more to follow.

Our first major destination were the Sawtooths in Idaho. FYI there are lakeside campgrounds on Alturas Lake, Little Redfish and Stanley Lake. You can launch directly from many of the campsites. Alturas and Stanley are larger lakes with bigger campgrounds. Little Redfish has smaller campgrounds (7 campsites in one) and if you have the ability to cartop your yaks once you are in the area would make an excellent basecamp. Redfish Lake is the largest lake with Jetskis etc. and they are renovating the lakeside campsites so access is only from the beaches in the picnic area or the launch area. This is the busiest lake but a pretty paddle. Alturas and Stanley are next down in size and very pretty and Little RedFish is a puddle compared to them but what a nice place to stay at for late night paddles! All of the lakes have beaver lodges, are teaming with fish and are constantly being fished by Osprey! This in addition to great scenery and wonderful day hikes makes it a great destination. I think the pictures will speak for themselves!

Michael S

Subject: Sawtooths (2 of 18), Read 163 times
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:27 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 8/26/02 9:22:00 PM, Michael S wrote:

>Our first major destination was the Sawtooths in Idaho.

Incredible place. Looking forward to the pics. Did you get into any creek mouths (inlets)?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Sawtooths (3 of 18), Read 165 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:28 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2492.JPG, 2493.JPG, 2494.JPG, 2495.JPG, 2496.JPG


Subject: Sawtooths (4 of 18), Read 167 times
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:33 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Outstanding Michael, Man, be-u-tiful.. Love all the shots, but the night reflection shot and the mountain ridge.. they just might make my wall..!!!

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Sawtooths (5 of 18), Read 168 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:34 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
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Subject: Sawtooths (6 of 18), Read 172 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:39 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2502.JPG

I hope that you enjoy all of these and I will try and post Montana ones asap!

Michael

Subject: Sawtooths (7 of 18), Read 154 times
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 07:43 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

So many gorgeous spots in this world! At this rate, I'll never get a handle on my to-paddle list! Thanks for sharing these, Michael. Your kids sure are lucky to be able to spend their summers this way with their folks!
AnnD

Subject: Sawtooths (8 of 18), Read 165 times
Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 09:48 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Michael, that one of Dusk on Little Redfish Lake is magazine quality!!

Keep 'em coming!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Sawtooths (9 of 18), Read 158 times
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 07:02 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Fabulous photos...How high are the lakes? And you sure can see why they are called the Sawtooths...
mike v

Subject: Sawtooths (10 of 18), Read 159 times
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 07:38 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 8/27/02 7:02:00 AM, vennard wrote:

>Fabulous photos...How high are the lakes? And you sure can
>see why they are called the Sawtooths...

IIRC, about 6000 ft. Terrific hiking and climbing there, also.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Sawtooths (11 of 18), Read 158 times
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 08:50 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Ok.. your pictures have made the wall behind my desk..(a place of honor !) the Wifey will be proud to see the Yukon in Double configuration too, its' the reason she wanted that boat.. (carrying the granddaughter..) thanks, great shots, looks like a good time..!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Sawtooths (12 of 18), Read 158 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:56 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2503.JPG

Alturas is at 7,000, LRF and Red Fish around 6500 and Sawtooth Lake is 8400'

Attached is a picture of Sawtooth Lake, a really nice dayhike!
Michael S

Subject: Sawtooths (13 of 18), Read 142 times
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 05:04 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

VERY nice pics. Thanks for taking the time to share them with us.
Haith

Subject: Sawtooths (14 of 18), Read 128 times
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 04:53 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

I was thinking of booking a room at Beaver Lodge on Stanley Lake. After that great picture, I changed my mind. Some great photos. A couple of the pictures remind me of bear country. Any around. What would you say the school of fish were?

Tiki Island II

Subject: Sawtooths (15 of 18), Read 129 times
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 05:49 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

Beaver lodge had some openings while we were there but the underwater entrance turned off some folks... luggage kept getting wet...

Coming from California where we have to bear proof everything and heading towards Glacier where the Grizzlies are plentiful we were surprised as to the lack of signage encouraging people to be bear-aware and not contribute to their delinquency... we saw little bear sign and heard of no problems while we were in the area but I would expect that later in season as berries came ripe you would see more and have more interactions... we keep such a clean site having camped for so long in Sierra's that we have never had problem anywhere... including last year in Yellowstone when neighbor could not understand why grizzly bear kept coming into her campsite since she only had dog food out for her dog... she was lucky dog did not become food...

Fish were various types of trout... they were at least 10-14 inches long, and there would be 30-60 at a time in same location every day... we visited often and could always find group...

Michael

Subject: Sawtooths (16 of 18), Read 128 times
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 08:24 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 8/28/02 5:49:00 PM, Michael S wrote:

>Coming from California where we have to bear proof
>everything and heading towards Glacier where the Grizzlies
>are plentiful we were surprised as to the lack of
>signage encouraging people to be bear-aware and not
>contribute to their delinquency...

Could be that bears are hunted in the Stanley Basin. I've noticed that the bear culture seems to "respond" to that by avoiding humans. 'Round here there are lots of bears, but they do not harass humans at all.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Sawtooths (17 of 18), Read 137 times
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2002 01:11 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

All I can say from those photo's are WOW, WOW and WOW again, they almost made me want to leave Scotland and come to America immediately until I heard about the bears. Fortunately, the only bears we have here reside in the cities and are normally avoidable ;->
Fantastic photographs, I must get out again soon and get some exciting ones to reciprocate.

Eve x

Subject: Sawtooths (18 of 18), Read 141 times
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2002 02:48 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 8/29/02 1:11:00 PM, weebananaboat wrote:

>All I can say from those photo's are WOW, WOW and WOW
>again, they almost made me want to leave Scotland and
>come to America immediately until I heard about the bears.

Waaaay over-rated hazard. Some 35 plus years of back country travel in the NW part of the US (mainly black bear country; some griz) and I have __never__ had a bad bear interaction. Seen a few, two up close (< 20 meters), but never threatened.

Come on over. The food's way better, too!

[grin]

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Glacier National Park

Subject: Glacier National Park (1 of 5), Read 210 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 09:22 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2504.JPG, 2505.JPG, 2506.JPG, 2507.JPG, 2508.JPG

Well, the forum here made possible another meeting of fellow paddlers and in this case two families becoming friends. Michael and Francine and his daughters connected with my family at St Mary KOA on lower St. Mary lake on the east side of Glacier National Park. We ended up joining Michael and his family at a multimedia presentation put on by Jack Gladstone, a Blackfeet Indian. The next day, we took the Super up to Swiftcurrent Campground and met up for a paddle. It was pretty rainy and we were wondering if we were going to get out at all, but the rain subsided and we got out on Swiftcurrent lake. We did some swapping around of boats with Matt and I trying out Michael's Yukon and Michael accompanying Matt in our Super. Michael also tried out our Camano paddle in the Yukon. After the paddle, we all got together for Pizza at the little cafe at Swiftcurrent Campground.
A couple days before, Matt and I took an evening paddle on Lake McDonald in West Glacier. Here are a few photos from the trip.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Glacier National Park (2 of 5), Read 176 times
Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 09:52 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Spectacular scenery, nice-lookin' boats. Where is Michael from?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
Kodiak

Subject: Glacier National Park (3 of 5), Read 175 times
Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:14 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

He is user Michael S and is from Fremont, CA.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Glacier National Park (4 of 5), Read 180 times
Date: Saturday, August 17, 2002 08:06 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Beautiful place, beautiful people, beautiful boats.. and pizza too.. man. whew!!
Ok, I"m peaked.. I'd love to visit a place like that.. and thanks for the photos'.
This overtime and overwork will end soon enough, gotta plan for that trek..
thanks john..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Glacier National Park (5 of 5), Read 140 times
Date: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:34 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Incredible scenery, I adore the photo with the mountains. A nice wee lottery win and I'll be there ;-)

Touring Kayaker tries the Big Whitewater

Subject: Touring Kayaker tries the Big Whitewater (1 of 4), Read 204 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 07:40 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com
Files:2509.JPG, 2510.JPG

Hey folks,

No, I did not take a Folbot into the whitewater but here's the story:
I use my Kodiak a lot but had never paddled big white water before. So I got a chance to do an intense one day run down the North Umpqua River in Oregon. We paddled single self-Bailing inflatable kayaks (the Tahiti model from Sevylor). In a single inflatable a class II rapid can be a nice ride. There were 22 in our group plus six professional guides. There were several class III and a class IV on the run. The pictures are of the run through the Class IV. Of the 22 who made the run, I was the only one that made it through without dumping (going swimming) did'nt count the guides although one of them dumped. The point to all of this is that a lot of the skills gained in the Kodiak translated well to keeping me in the boat in the whitewater.

Paddle On!
Mark

Subject: Touring Kayaker tries the Big Whitewater (2 of 4), Read 183 times
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 08:07 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Need to take the spaces out of the titles for the Netscape crowd to be able to view them. I forget that a lot myself, but have now used the underline in place of spaces when I title jpegs.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Touring Kayaker tries the Big Whitewater (3 of 4), Read 182 times
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 09:31 AM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some very dramatic photos. Does a person actually think and react to the conditions, or do you come thru and say, Whew! Judging by the smile on your face you must have had a great time. (ha)
Tiki Island II

Subject: Touring Kayaker tries the Big Whitewater (4 of 4), Read 167 times
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:51 PM
Author:MARKSP8
Email:marksp8@outgun.com

Hey Tiki,

The natural tendency is to sit tight (the pucker-factor, if you know what I mean) and hope for the best but the more you keep your paddle in the water and power through the white stuff the better off you are. But you do tend to get disoriented when the big water hits you in the face.

Mark

Deam Lake, IN

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (1 of 8), Read 197 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:44 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2511.JPG

Bobk and I spent a gorgeous day sailing on Deam Lake. Pleasant temperatures, winds 8-12 mph, no motorboats....

Here's a photo of our fleet (my Aleut and his Kodiak), and Bob surveying his domain.

AnnD

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (2 of 8), Read 160 times
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 06:36 PM
Author:rwathen
Email:r.wathen@comcast.net

AnnD

Looks like a nice lake. Where exactly is Deam Lake anyway?

While I have you, I am new to the fold (just ordered a Yukon). Can you recommend any especially worthwhile places to go in Indiana?

Thanks,

Dick
Northwest Indiana
Yukon

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (3 of 8), Read 158 times
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 09:01 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 8/7/02 6:36:00 PM, rwathen wrote:
>Where
>exactly is Deam Lake anyway?
>
>Can you recommend any
>especially worthwhile places
>to go in Indiana?

Hi, Dick, and welcome!

Sorry, I'm going to have to let others answer -- I'm a Marylander, just passing through. Bob K did the driving, and I paid no attention to the route. All I know is Deam Lake is about 20 miles from Louisville.

It's a small lake, but nice for sailing around in. And lots of interesting shoreline to explore by paddle-power, including a maze of drowned trees. There's a campground right on the lakeshore.

AnnD

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (4 of 8), Read 153 times
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:47 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 8/7/02 6:36:00 PM, rwathen wrote:

Can you recommend any
especially worthwhile places
to go in Indiana?

Thanks,

Dick
Northwest Indiana
Yukon

Not from the area but the desert with no shade.
Check out Paddle Indiana.
http://www.jlwaters.com/paddle_IN.htm
pete

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (5 of 8), Read 180 times
Date: Thursday, August 08, 2002 08:38 AM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

On 8/7/02 6:36:00 PM, rwathen wrote:
>AnnD
>
>Looks like a nice lake. Where
>exactly is Deam Lake anyway?
>
>While I have you, I am new to
>the fold (just ordered a
>Yukon). Can you recommend any
>especially worthwhile places
>to go in Indiana?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dick

Being new and with a new Yukon coming you are in for a lot of fun.

Deem Lake is too far for you if you are above INdianapolis. Exactly where are you in Indiana, I get up that way from time to time and we might get together. I am in Louisville and fellow
Folboaters are rarer than shoes around here.

If you thought Deem Lake was something you should have seen Ann D, better known to us Everglades folks as Swamp Girl, run the falls of the Ohio. She is just plume wild after her long stay in California.>Northwest Indiana

With your new Yukon consider joining in with the Flamingo(Everglades)floatilla in Feb. The Yukon will be perfect.

Bob K
>Yukon



Bob K

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (6 of 8), Read 171 times
Date: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:11 PM
Author:tmbmiafla
Email:tmbmiafla@yahoo.com

Please keep me posted about the everglades flotilla. I live in Miami and have a new GII. Would like to hook up with any Folboters(How is that spelled?) who venture this way.

Tom Brown
Beautiful TAN G II
"There is nothing- Absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats."

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (7 of 8), Read 178 times
Date: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:28 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

WILL DO-WE HAD A GREAT TIME LAST YEAR.
Bob K

Subject: Deam Lake, IN (8 of 8), Read 145 times
Date: Thursday, August 08, 2002 06:17 PM
Author:rwathen
Email:r.wathen@comcast.net

I appreciate the responses to my question. Ordered Paddle Indiana this afternoon.

I live in Valparaiso (Chicagoland) and frequently get to Indy for family events.
Looking forward to breaking in the Yukon.

Dick
Northwest Indiana
Yukon

Paddling the Ottawa River

Subject: Paddling the Ottawa River (1 of 3), Read 179 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 05:37 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca
Files:2512.JPG, 2513.JPG, 2514.JPG, 2515.JPG, 2516.JPG

Here are some good paddling times on MY river: the Ottawa River, near Lefaivre Ontario, Canada


France

Subject: Paddling the Ottawa River (2 of 3), Read 158 times
Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 08:23 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

YOUR river is beautiful, France! Is there much of a current? What sort of wildlife do you see there?
AnnD

Subject: Paddling the Ottawa River (3 of 3), Read 138 times
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 07:40 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca

Almost no current. The river is 400' deep and very quiet. Wildlife... herons, lots of birds and ... motor boats...

France

Trip to la Beauce, Québec, Canada

Subject: Trip to la Beauce, Québec, Canada (1 of 4), Read 151 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 05:33 AM
Author:JJG
Email:info@folbot.ca
Files:2517.JPG, 2518.JPG, 2519.JPG, 2520.JPG, 2521.JPG

Finally, here are some pictures of our trip to la Beauce (St-Georges). St-Georges is about 1h south-west of Québec city. We paddle on the Chaudière and one of its affluent, the du Loup river... under the watchful eyes of my parents.

France

Subject: Trip to la Beauce, Québec, Canada (2 of 4), Read 140 times
Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 08:17 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

excellent pics.. I want that......!!
I gotta make an escape from here soon.. your pics are giving me that thousand yard stare..
escape planned this coming week to S.C. .. camper ready, boats.. of course ready..!!
Please keep the pics and stories coming..!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Trip to la Beauce, Québec, Canada (3 of 4), Read 138 times
Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 08:25 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Love those happy Folboter grins!
AnnD

Subject: Trip to la Beauce, Québec, Canada (4 of 4), Read 131 times
Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:35 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Nice pics of la Beauce and Ottawa River.
Thanks for sharing those and the contagious grins :-)
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

:-) << contagious grin

Help! How do I post Photo's?

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (1 of 30), Read 230 times
Date: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:42 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Can anyone tell me how to post photographs on the Forum Photo Album from my desktop.

Still getting used to this super technology
:-)

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (2 of 30), Read 149 times
Date: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:32 AM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

See my post under the "Folbot Announcements" conference.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (3 of 30), Read 147 times
Date: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:32 AM
Author:JimandKarla
Email:jimandkarla@hotmail.com

Probably the easiest thing is to look in the Help section at the top of the page, then go to "Participating through a Web Browser" and there is a section about attachments. I just followed the directions and it was pretty logical.

Jim

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (4 of 30), Read 145 times
Date: Thursday, July 25, 2002 05:52 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 7/25/02 10:42:00 AM, weebananaboat wrote:

>Can anyone tell me how to post photographs on the Forum Photo
>Album from my desktop.


John Haide's instructions are good, but I find the interface counterintuitive, and have to relearn the process every time! You are not alone in having trouble with it.

Try again a couple times, and have his written instructions in front of you. It will work -- and we really want to see those pics!

One piece of advice:

When you punch the Browse button, you may have to shop around a little to find your Desktop. I think the "shop around" button is just to the right in the top portion of the Browse window. Once that says "Desktop" could be your photo files will not be visible until you go to the bottom of the Browse window and change file type to "All files" or similar. The default choice may not include jpegs, which is probably what your photos are.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (5 of 30), Read 131 times
Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 03:25 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Ok lads n lassies, this is my first attempt. If it comes out, I am a super highway Genius. If not. Hey, I can't be perfect all the time ;-)

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (6 of 30), Read 147 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 03:30 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2522.JPG


Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (7 of 30), Read 149 times
Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 03:36 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Wey Hey, what can I say, I'm a genius ;-)

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (8 of 30), Read 140 times
Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 08:21 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

I'll say you are! A 213K file -- I thought the limit was 100K. Way to go!

You can attach up to 5 photos per post (hint, hint!) (:>) (:>)
AnnD

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (9 of 30), Read 144 times
Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 06:40 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

And please do not forget, for those of us who use Netscape, do not have spaces in the title so we can view the photos too...
mike v

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (10 of 30), Read 148 times
Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 06:52 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I was gonna include a 'sunshine' button.. but I see you do have some occasionally...
Now that you've gotten the photo addition down pat, send more... I doubt I'll make Scotland anytime soon.. would love to see more of the country from the cockpit of your boat...Great places deserve lots of photos.
thanks.

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (11 of 30), Read 140 times
Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 02:30 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

That sign in the background, does it say 'No kayaking beyond this point'? I notice how nice and green the grass and growies are, one of the benefits of rain. In the northern prairies there is drought. I think I'd rather have the rain. We need more pics of 'Sunny Scotland' and of and from the 'Weebananaboat' travels. Also I was wondering if you bought your boat direct from the States or through a local dealer?

Tiki Island II

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (12 of 30), Read 130 times
Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 05:33 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Somebody, please repost weebboat´s picture without spaces. The suspense is intolerable.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (13 of 30), Read 138 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 06:38 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com
Files:2523.JPG

Okay, Joost, here it is -- resized a little to make the download easier.
--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (14 of 30), Read 124 times
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 01:06 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Thanks, Dave. That photo is definitely a keeper.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (15 of 30), Read 127 times
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 01:12 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

To AnneD....Thanks for the tip on the 5 photo's. All I have to do now is work out how to bring my photo's down to 100k. I'm no Spring Chick anymore and have trouble with technology, it is amazing what one can do these days on a wee computer.

To MikeV....I thought Netscape had gone bust, or is that just in the UK? I promise to rename any future photo's without spaces.

To Cliffy.....Don't worry about not making it over the water here just yet, we are all getting webbed feet with the floods. Once I have worked out how to make photo's 100k I will try to get some more on.

To Tiki.....The sign says No Vehicles beyond this point, but I take my jeep down there anyway. I am a such a rebel ;-) Also, I bought directly from Folbot, I couldn't find any Folbot dealers in the UK, but I read up on Folbot before purchasing and the reviews on the after care service were incredible. I would like to say that I have found this to be true as I phoned Phil Cotton a couple of months ago with a wee challenge I had and I had it sorted out immediately. He's got a cool accent too ;-)

Eve xo

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (16 of 30), Read 135 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 01:14 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2524.JPG


Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (17 of 30), Read 136 times
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 01:29 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

And for those of you with Netscape, I will try again.

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (18 of 30), Read 141 times
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 01:32 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com


Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (19 of 30), Read 150 times
Date: Friday, August 02, 2002 01:35 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Nope. Looks like I will have to get a software package to make the photo's smaller.
Eve x

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (20 of 30), Read 122 times
Date: Saturday, August 03, 2002 05:08 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Thanks to everyone who has e-mailed me with instructions to shrink photo's. I will check them all out and work out the easiest way. Cheers guys n gals.

Eve xo

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (21 of 30), Read 126 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:07 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com
Files:2525.JPG

Thanks to the simplistic instructions from Anne D. I will try again. (If a monkey can do it, then I struggle) ;-)

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (22 of 30), Read 127 times
Date: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:36 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Hey, that worked fine, Eve. That's some great looking water, too. Just enough chop to make it interesting and feel like you're on the outdoors water instead of paddling in a bathtub. Looks like fun.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (23 of 30), Read 123 times
Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 08:39 AM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

That was a very calm day Denis. I have been out in Force 4, v. choppy and the Aleut took it no problem. Going out into the middle of the Loch, getting some speed up and riding the waves back in is great fun.
You have to get over here a try it, you would never want to kayak in a mill pond again. (:->)
Eve xo.

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (24 of 30), Read 127 times
Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:46 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

On 8/4/02 8:39:00 AM, weebananaboat wrote:
> ..... getting some speed up and riding the waves back in is great fun......

Hey, Eve, get one of those golf umbrellas that doesn´t blow inside out. Using it as a downwind sail, steering with a paddle half, swooshing down the front of the waves -- the fun will be about an order of magnitude greater.

Oh, yes, everybody, be sure to do it in a Folbot. I got the chance to try out a recreational hardshell. Pleasant to paddle, but would only umbrella sail sideways.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (25 of 30), Read 129 times
Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 01:41 PM
Author:weebananaboat
Email:eve.short@ntlworld.com

Will definately have to try that one out. Sounds like great fun. :-)

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (26 of 30), Read 103 times
Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 04:58 PM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (27 of 30), Read 102 times
Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 06:59 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

On 8/13/02 4:58:00 PM, steve cosner wrote:
>Just a note to everyone with
>Netscape:
>I downloaded and installed
>Netscape 6

I have Netscape 4.7 and loaded Netscape 6 some time ago. I found it to be unbelievably slow loading each time I bring it up. I finally gave up and downloaded Internet Explorer 5.5 It's much faster than either version of Netscape. Internet Explorer Version 6 is out now but I haven't upgraded yet. Netscape also keeps giving me a lot of annoying pop up ads.

dickc

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (28 of 30), Read 103 times
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 07:33 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I also downloaded IE 6.. seems to work much better..seems to have fixed a few more problems with "Winders 98".. (Alabama version ha ha) and it's free so what the heck..
Hate to download from the WEb, but was the most effecient way.. no longer need Netscape, even though i liked it.. sticking to MSN products for continuity..

One quick add on to folks posting photo's.. please do what you can to compress the files to small ones.. even quick computers take time to load the big stuff.. and we're talking just 100k.. those nice new "MEGA" pixel camera's will punch out photos' in excess of 2 or 3 meg sized files.. and DSL folks will unthinkingly just transmit 'em on e-mail or attempt loads on bulletin boards like this one... 40 or 50k sized files do nicely for e-mail and bulletin board photos'... PLease use files like JPEG, or JPG to send ..they make nice photos.. and files are much much smaller..download quicker etc.... (seconds instead of minutes or even hours)
please take the time to admire your large file photos and also take the time to compress the ones you'll send or post..
we'd surely appreciate it.... network and DSL equiped folks will be more likely to send these big files, those systems are fast, to other systems set up the same way..but only to those.........
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (29 of 30), Read 100 times
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 08:30 AM
Author:steve cosner
Email:stevec@sfsu.edu

On 8/13/02 6:59:00 PM, Dickc wrote:
> I have Netscape 4.7 and loaded Netscape 6 some time ago. I found it to be
> unbelievably slow loading each time I bring it up. I finally gave up and
> downloaded Internet Explorer 5.5 It's much faster than either version of
> Netscape. Internet Explorer Version 6 is out now but I haven't upgraded yet.
> Netscape also keeps giving me a lot of annoying pop up ads.

Subject: Help! How do I post Photo's? (30 of 30), Read 102 times
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:34 AM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

I agree with a lot of what you say Steve. It's the reason I used Netscape in the first place. I still use Netscape 4.7 but 6 isn't a little slower it's a lot slower. The ads only pop up on Netscape not on IE.

Since the government isn't going to enforce the anti trust laws against Microsoft they are free to do what they want and make competitor's code unusable. We all lose. In my case Netscape 4.7 doesn't work for some applications that I use and 6 is not an option because of its lack of speed.

I expect my computer will crash as soon as I post this.
Dickc

Please Help Me Choose A Kayak

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (1 of 11), Read 281 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 09:54 AM
Author:JackDaynes
Email:jackdaynes@cox.net

Within the next 30 days I expect to purchase a 17' folding kayak. I have had little experience with kayaks. I have ruled out the single seat boats because I believe that a 300 pound payload too small and I like the option of two people in the boat if the situation should be called for.

So far, I've looked most closely at the Klepper Aerius II and the Folbot Greenland II Expedition. I've only been able to look online and at catalogues, thus I expect not to get a full and fair comparison. The Klepper seems to have some interesting features, but at a price (i.e. $$). I'm not opposed to paying for features *IF* they add usefulness, but I am not interested in bells and whistles if they won't help me enjoy the kayak experience.

How do I expect to use the boat, you may ask? I am mostly interested in nature photography. I would believe the kayak would allow me to approach subjects (birds mostly, but not exclusively) more closely than other land based modes of travel. I have long lenses and I'm hoping to utilize the kayak as a hide (in certain situations).

If anyone can offer advice on these choices or suggest other options I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
Jack
San Diego County (CA)

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (2 of 11), Read 272 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:21 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

If I were going on a major expedition such as the northwest passage or crossing the Atlantic ocean I would probably pay the extra for a Klepper. It would be the least of my expenses. For nature watching in less extreme conditions the Folbot would be just fine. The difference in price will buy a pretty nice camera. I personally have never been in conditions that a Folbot won't handle. I don't think I'd want to be. The great stability of the GII in hands off use allows for good photography. I'd probably get it in green or even get them to provide you with one in camo colors. And no one can beat Folbot's service. Don't let the fact that I've had five Folbots and never had a Klepper influence you. 8^)
By all means go for the expedition kit. It's well worth it. Well that's my two cents worth. Best of luck with whatever you get.


On 6/25/02 9:54:00 AM, JackDaynes wrote:
>Within the next 30 days I
>expect to purchase a 17'
>folding kayak. I have had
>little experience with kayaks.
>I have ruled out the single
>seat boats because I believe
>that a 300 pound payload too
>small and I like the option of
>two people in the boat if the
>situation should be called
>for.
>
>So far, I've looked most
>closely at the Klepper Aerius
>II and the Folbot Greenland II
>Expedition. I've only been
>able to look online and at
>catalogues, thus I expect not
>to get a full and fair
>comparison. The Klepper seems
>to have some interesting
>features, but at a price (i.e.
>$$). I'm not opposed to paying
>for features *IF* they add
>usefulness, but I am not
>interested in bells and
>whistles if they won't help me
>enjoy the kayak experience.
>
>How do I expect to use the
>boat, you may ask? I am mostly
>interested in nature
>photography. I would believe
>the kayak would allow me to
>approach subjects (birds
>mostly, but not exclusively)
>more closely than other land
>based modes of travel. I have
>long lenses and I'm hoping to
>utilize the kayak as a hide
>(in certain situations).
>
>If anyone can offer advice on
>these choices or suggest other
>options I'd very much
>appreciate it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Jack
>San Diego County (CA)



Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (3 of 11), Read 272 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:42 AM
Author:JackDaynes
Email:jackdaynes@cox.net

Thanks for the reply Gary (read on below ... ) and sorry for posting in this section. I didn't realize it was going to show up in "Photo Album" :-(

On 6/25/02 10:21:00 AM, bagboater wrote:
>If I were going on a major
>expedition such as the
>northwest passage or crossing
>the Atlantic ocean I would
>probably pay the extra for a
>Klepper. It would be the
>least of my expenses. For
>nature watching in less
>extreme conditions the Folbot
>would be just fine.

=====================
This makes sense to me.
=====================

>The difference in price will
>buy a pretty nice camera. I
>personally have never been in
>conditions that a Folbot won't
>handle. I don't think I'd
>want to be. The great
>stability of the GII in hands
>off use allows for good
>photography. I'd probably get
>it in green or even get them
>to provide you with one in
>camo colors.

=====================
Camo colors!?!? Is that *TRUELY* an option? That WOULD be cool ;-)
=====================

>And no one can
>beat Folbot's service. Don't
>let the fact that I've had
>five Folbots and never had a
>Klepper influence you. 8^)
>By all means go for the
>expedition kit. It's well
>worth it. Well that's my two
>cents worth. Best of luck with
>whatever you get.
>
>Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
>6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
>Milwaukee, WI 53223
>Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is
>crap"
>(except Folbots 8^) )

=====================
Thanks again,
Jack
=====================



Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (4 of 11), Read 271 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 01:42 PM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Folbot offered a camo boat last year, but didn't have much response for it and took it off the choices. They may still have the camo material, just call and ask.

I agree that the GII would be fine for your needs. My wife and I use our GII for wildlife photography. She uses a 100-400 image stabilized (IS) lens and gets very good results.

If you want to see a GII and perhaps take a test spin, do a user search in the "More" category in the top user bar. I'm betting that there are several people in California that would be happy to help you out.

mtm2525

"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." (Will Rogers)

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (5 of 11), Read 275 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 02:24 PM
Author:JackDaynes
Email:jackdaynes@cox.net

Hello (& Thanks) ... read on ...

On 6/25/02 1:42:00 PM, mtm2525 wrote:
>Folbot offered a camo boat
>last year, but didn't have
>much response for it and took
>it off the choices. They may
>still have the camo material,
>just call and ask.

============================
I did ... and they don't :-(
============================

>I agree that the GII would be
>fine for your needs. My wife
>and I use our GII for wildlife
>photography. She uses a
>100-400 image stabilized (IS)
>lens and gets very good
>results.
>
>If you want to see a GII and
>perhaps take a test spin, do a
>user search in the "More"
>category in the top user bar.
>I'm betting that there are
>several people in California
>that would be happy to help
>you out.

============================
Pretty good idea! ... think I will.
============================

>
>mtm2525
>
>"Good judgment comes from
>experience, and a lot of that
>comes from bad judgment."
>(Will Rogers)

============================
ROTFLMAO! That ol' Will was quite the wordsmith. Closest we have to him these days is Garrison Keillor. I think Will would have liked Garrison. http://phc.mpr.org/

- Jack
============================

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (6 of 11), Read 247 times
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 06:12 AM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Too bad about the camo unavailability. But it wouldn't be hard to camouflage a green boat. If you don't want to paint on some brown splotches and stripes you can drape some some camo cloth over the deck.
Some times when I see some interesting wildlife downstream I put the paddle under the deck rigging and scrunch down in the cockpit until only my head shows over the combing. With the camera resting on the combing and no motion or sound being made
you'd be pleasently supprised how close you can drift by wildlife without spooking them.
73 Gary

On 6/25/02 1:42:00 PM, mtm2525 wrote:
>Folbot offered a camo boat
>last year, but didn't have
>much response for it and took
>it off the choices. They may
>still have the camo material,
>just call and ask.
>
>I agree that the GII would be
>fine for your needs. My wife
>and I use our GII for wildlife
>photography. She uses a
>100-400 image stabilized (IS)
>lens and gets very good
>results.
>
>If you want to see a GII and
>perhaps take a test spin, do a
>user search in the "More"
>category in the top user bar.
>I'm betting that there are
>several people in California
>that would be happy to help
>you out.
>
>mtm2525
>
>"Good judgment comes from
>experience, and a lot of that
>comes from bad judgment."
>(Will Rogers)



Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"
(except Folbots 8^) )

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (7 of 11), Read 240 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 05:05 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

And as you get close, don't forget to use just a paddle half (or keep a canoe paddle on hand). Sounds like a GII is just what you need, but, of course, we *are* all Folboters. :)

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (8 of 11), Read 244 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 05:33 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

Several years ago, while on the Des Moines River, I managed to quietly sail into a large flock of pelicans. Yes, I know, Iowa's not supposed to have sea birds like pelicans. Tell that to the pelicans, they are actually a farely common sight! Anyway, when they became aware of my presence the birds took flight. It was one of the most incredible sights that I have experienced. Now maybe that could have been accomplished in a Klepper, but I think it was my Folbot that made it possible! Get a Folbot, that's my vote.

Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (9 of 11), Read 251 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 06:36 PM
Author:JackDaynes
Email:jackdaynes@cox.net

While pretty darn rare to see Brown Pelicans away from the coastal zone, American White Pelicans' summer range includes almost ALL of the western US, east as far as the Mississippi Valley and north almost to Canada's NW Territory. I'm sure it was a spectacular sight. Thanks for sharing.

Jack

=======================

On 6/25/02 5:33:00 PM, markmc wrote:
>Several years ago, while on
>the Des Moines River, I
>managed to quietly sail into a
>large flock of pelicans. Yes,
>I know, Iowa's not supposed to
>have sea birds like pelicans.
>Tell that to the pelicans,
>they are actually a farely
>common sight! Anyway, when
>they became aware of my
>presence the birds took
>flight. It was one of the most
>incredible sights that I have
>experienced. Now maybe that
>could have been accomplished
>in a Klepper, but I think it
>was my Folbot that made it
>possible! Get a Folbot, that's
>my vote.
>
>Take care,
> MarkMc



Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (Final installment) (10 of 11), Read 227 times
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 03:18 PM
Author:JackDaynes
Email:jackdaynes@cox.net

Well I finally made my decision and have acted on it! Today I ordered a new GII Expedition. I also ordered the single seat kit and the spray cover to match. Since I expect to have to handle to boat by myself much of the time, I decided to take the little two wheeled trolley. I hope that this will let me load the boat while near the van and make one move to the water. If I decide to try any other accessories, I'm sure they can be added later. It will probably be about July 22 before UPS brings it to my door. I'm REALLY looking forward to the experience.

- Jack

Subject: Please Help Me Choose A Kayak (Final installment) (11 of 11), Read 234 times
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 04:23 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

Good choice Jack. I know you'll love it. If you look in the catalog you'll find many things to spend your money on. I suggest you get the hull reenforcement strips and a repair kit. The hull is very tough but the strips reenforce the most vulnerable part over the longerons. Really good insurance for $45. I've had the wilderness repair kit since I got My GII 5 years ago and only used it to patch a minor ding on the deck but it's just good to have in case you need it.

Dickc

Monterey Bay

Subject: Monterey Bay (1 of 8), Read 212 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 23, 2002 09:33 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2526.JPG, 2527.JPG, 2528.JPG, 2529.JPG, 2530.JPG

and...

Subject: Monterey Bay (2 of 8), Read 183 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 23, 2002 09:36 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2531.JPG, 2532.JPG, 2533.JPG

Hope you all enjoy these!
Michael

Subject: Monterey Bay (3 of 8), Read 182 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, June 23, 2002 10:33 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2534.JPG, 2535.JPG, 2536.JPG, 2537.JPG, 2538.JPG

more pics...

Subject: Monterey Bay (4 of 8), Read 176 times
Date: Monday, June 24, 2002 09:21 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

The report and the pics tell a whale of a story.. Sunshine and bright blue skies aren't required for a good outing.. !!!!
the seals, otters, kormorants, and egrets are super attractions. I visited there several times in '75.. no boat in tow at the time, ached, yearned, suffered.. stayed till after dark and went into the hills for a 'downlook' on that bay.. sunset was terrific. !!! THe "from the water" shots surely make that memory more complete.. glad you all had a good time. wish your pictures had sound.. wow.. keep 'em coming, and take plenty of pics in Montana..!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Monterey Bay (5 of 8), Read 157 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 03:37 PM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net

Awesome pictures. Can't wait to see what I've missed. Thanks for sharing the trip with us!

Monty
Danville, CA

Subject: Monterey Bay (6 of 8), Read 154 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 08:27 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Sorry you couldn't make it, Monty. But whether you knew it or not, you were there in spirit, since you were the instigator -- thanks for getting us out there! I wouldn't have ventured out upon the ocean otherwise.

AnnD

Subject: Monterey Bay (7 of 8), Read 156 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, June 29, 2002 01:52 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2539.JPG

Here's a picture of the photographer and friend -- Michael in red Yukon, Brian in yellow Aleut.
AnnD

Subject: Monterey Bay (8 of 8), Read 152 times
Date: Sunday, June 30, 2002 08:02 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Ya know.. every photo I see involving Folbots.. includes a smile.. the ones with no humans, you can see the scenery smiling..
('cept for seagulls.. they laugh, but facial expressions only allow for that "smirk". (:0) Says something to me.... !!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

SSTIKS, Hoods Canal

Subject: SSTIKS, Hoods Canal (1 of 6), Read 174 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:07 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2540.JPG, 2541.JPG, 2542.JPG, 2543.JPG, 2544.JPG

June 8th and 9th the Greenland folks got together for 2 days of fun. We stayed at the state park where this was held and different kayaks were there, home made, plan kit boats, my folding, and some hard shells.There were about 75 folks on hand. Classes on paddle making, forward stroke, rolling, safety and harpoon throwing. In the evening they provided us with slide shows on the history of the skin boats. There was group paddle in the evening and a pot luck dinner. The gods smiled on us this weekend only sunshine. In all everyone had a great time.
pete

Subject: SSTIKS, Hoods Canal (2 of 6), Read 153 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:15 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2545.JPG, 2546.JPG, 2547.JPG

A few more pictures to enjoy.
pete

Subject: SSTIKS, Hoods Canal (3 of 6), Read 153 times
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:28 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Great shots, Pete! I read about that pilgrimage and wished I could have made it. A lot of the "traditional" gurus were there, Greg Stamer, Harvey Golden, just to name two of the most world renown. Next year I'll be retired and will have no excuse not to be there.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: SSTIKS, Hoods Canal (4 of 6), Read 158 times
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:59 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 6/18/02 12:07:00 PM, arczeneb wrote:

>June 8th and 9th the Greenland folks got together for 2 days
>of fun. We stayed at the state park where this was held and
>different kayaks were there, home made, plan kit boats, my
>folding, and some hard shells.

Great photos. Where on Hood Canal is this?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: SSTIKS, Hoods Canal (5 of 6), Read 156 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 07:37 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 6/18/02 12:59:00 PM, davekru wrote:
On 6/18/02 12:07:00 PM, arczeneb wrote:


Great photos. Where on Hood Canal is
this?

Located just outside of Belfair Washington.

http://www.qajaqpnw.org/Location.html

Subject: SSTIKS, Hoods Canal (6 of 6), Read 145 times
Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 04:16 PM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

The park and campground are absolutely delightful. The camps are across the main highway back in a little canyon. Nice and lush and out of the wind. We were there the day before the gathering. Circumstances dictated that we could not wait. There is a nice gravely beach for launching and a lot of water. Very windy the day we were there but very calm as we left on Thursday....
mike v

San Juan Is WA

Subject: San Juan Is WA (1 of 9), Read 212 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 05:38 PM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net
Files:2548.JPG, 2549.JPG, 2550.JPG, 2551.JPG, 2552.JPG

Here are a few shots of our holiday paddle in the islands. One of the best times ever! I'll elaborate on a few stories a bit later.

Monty
Danville, CA

Subject: San Juan Is WA (2 of 9), Read 186 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 05:45 PM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net
Files:2553.JPG, 2554.JPG, 2555.JPG, 2556.JPG, 2557.JPG

A few more....

Monty

Subject: San Juan Is WA (3 of 9), Read 190 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 05:52 PM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net
Files:2558.JPG, 2559.JPG, 2560.JPG

And a few more...

Subject: San Juan Is WA (4 of 9), Read 192 times
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 08:53 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Looks like my escape will have to include that upper most left coast.. sure is pretty up there.. especially liked the paddle park, and the Human Power...
YOu all look good in those boats.. that yellow is certainly bright.. seems that those women folk like the reds..(Wifey included).. well. me too...
Paddling through the takeoff areas was exciting I'll bet.. man.. so much to see that I've missed...
Anyway.. loved the shots.. keep 'em coming..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: San Juan Is WA (5 of 9), Read 187 times
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 04:37 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

Thanks very much for the pics and I'll second Cliffy that the yellow sure is bright...very nice! Beautiful area!
A couple of friends of mine here breed Alpacas so I'm going to show them the picture you took.
Thanks again!
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: San Juan Is WA (6 of 9), Read 151 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 03:39 PM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net

Don't tell anyone. The extreme yellow is Mr. Adobe magic.

Subject: San Juan Is WA (7 of 9), Read 149 times
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:46 PM
Author:kwcahart
Email:kwcahart@earthlink.net

Personally, I think alpacas are uuuuggggly!

Ken and Charlotte.
RV'ing the USA.

Subject: San Juan Is WA (8 of 9), Read 145 times
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 01:51 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Just for the fun of it because I have never heard of an Alpacas before, it is obviously cross bred with: sheep, poodle, llama, camel, giraffe, ostrich and lawnmower. Besides the lawnmower, what else do they do, or are used for. They are too ah, 'innocent looking' for chops or steaks, so there must be another reason for their 'Heinz 57' look, and their late 60's early 70's hair do.

Tiki Island II

Subject: San Juan Is WA (9 of 9), Read 149 times
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:37 PM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net

I understand their fur er coats are excellent for insulation and high end garments. The critters are also supposedly quite smart and good domestic animals. Cute as a button IMHO.

More Lake Powell

Subject: More Lake Powell (1 of 2), Read 160 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:17 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2561.JPG, 2562.JPG, 2563.JPG, 2564.JPG, 2565.JPG

I located some more photos of Lake Powell last April. Busy packing for Hoods Canal in Washington this weekend.
enjoy
Pete

Subject: More Lake Powell (2 of 2), Read 138 times
Date: Saturday, June 08, 2002 07:55 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

With the mini floats going so well.. sure would be nice to have a biggie planned... seen the toe warmer, used as a hat also.. ha..
and.. was wondering how ms. Ann got the van out of the sand.. great shots...... :>)
keep 'em coming..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

What have I got?

Subject: What have I got? (1 of 3), Read 269 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:20 PM
Author:gcurtis
Email:joelora@sympatico.ca
Files:2566.JPG, 2567.JPG, 2568.JPG, 2569.JPG

Here is my find. It's a folbot but I'm pretty sure it doesn't fold! Can anyone help me with the name, year, or apporx. value? Thanks.

Subject: What have I got? (2 of 3), Read 251 times
Date: Thursday, June 06, 2002 06:35 AM
Author:hadguy
Email:hadguy@aol.com

Looks like you have what they called a sporty. If you look on the index you'll find postings by a fine gentleman named Cliffy. He has his own website which he displays pictures of the older folbots. You might want to check there or post this topic in the pre 1990 folbot section. Good luck,
it looks to be in great condition.
Hadguy

Subject: What have I got? (3 of 3), Read 87 times
Date: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 02:12 PM
Author:PeteS
Email:pstair1@earthlink.net

The Sporty is the correct model for your Folbot. It is a "ridged portable" and does not fold. The material is vinyl over canvas and the boat came as either as a kit or assembled by Folbot in the '70's. I have the folding version that has a double-terminated cockpit(pointed on both ends). Somewhere, I have the original brochure that includes your boat. Use it and enjoy. NOT for white water, the wood longerons are fragile. PeteS
Greenland II & Sporty

Hayward Lake

Subject: Hayward Lake (1 of 3), Read 128 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Monday, June 03, 2002 07:29 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca
Files:2570.JPG, 2571.JPG, 2572.JPG, 2573.JPG

Sunday I was able to get our with my son and my wife, Carol. Just a day paddle, and thought I would post a few of the Lake. Hayward Lake is a reservoir lake with lots of stumps, dead trees etc. which kind of makes things a little interesting for a paddle.
1. My son, Tyler(left us in the dust, er water)
2. Wife and I in the old Glider. (minus all sailing rig)
3. Looking up the lake
4. Forked tree, maybe Poseidon's under there.
5. Base of forked tree
6. Heading home, breeze carried us back.
7. Take out point
8. From top of dam. Hydro electric people get ticked off at us when we ride the chute to the bottom. ( ha ha )
9. When you're too lazy ( or weak ) to lift onto the racks.
Hope to do an overnighter pretty soon like the big kids.
Tiki Island II

Subject: Hayward Lake (2 of 3), Read 127 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, June 03, 2002 07:38 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca
Files:2574.JPG, 2575.JPG, 2576.JPG, 2577.JPG, 2578.JPG

a few more pics.
Tiki Island II

Subject: Hayward Lake (3 of 3), Read 121 times
Date: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 08:54 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Ya know.. that was a pretty place..loved the pics of the Glider. was always a favorite of mine but never owned one.. pretty..!!
The stump farms like you were in I also liked.. I enjoyed paddling up to stumps and seeing what there was at the bases, sometimes fish, always interesting.. hollow ones seemed good fishing locations. and on the son outrunning ya... let 'em.. you get a better view , he gets tired.. ha...
thanks much for the pics. please keep 'em coming.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Secret Lake

Subject: Secret Lake (1 of 5), Read 241 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 05:36 PM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com
Files:2579.JPG, 2580.JPG, 2581.JPG, 2582.JPG, 2583.JPG

Here are a few pictures of my "secret lake" in the Wind Rivers of Wyoming. We horse packed in my GII and an inflatable. Sorry there aren't any pictures of the GII. I'm usually sitting in it! My wife and daughters had a blast.

Mark Mc

Subject: Secret Lake (2 of 5), Read 213 times
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 08:51 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Absolutely beautiful! What a place to go. How long did you stay there? Would not mind waking up to that scenery, or sittin around while the sun sets. Is the lake at altitude?
Keep it a secret cause it's worth it.
Tiki Island II

Subject: Secret Lake (3 of 5), Read 211 times
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2002 04:57 AM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

We were there for about a week. It's a place I've been going to for many years. I was introduced to it by a friend who's first trip up there (9700ft) was in 1948. Just recently the state of WY named a small feeder lake above this one after him. It is indeed one of the most beautiful places around!

Subject: Secret Lake (4 of 5), Read 206 times
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2002 06:48 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Looks just like I remember it...truthfully, 'been to a couple just like it and around the same place. 14 miles in and 8000 feet. Thanks for the memories.
mike v

Subject: Secret Lake (5 of 5), Read 210 times
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2002 07:44 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 5/23/02 4:57:00 AM, markmc wrote:

>We were there for about a week. It's a place I've been
>going to for many years. I was introduced to it by a friend
>who's first trip up there (9700ft) was in 1948.

I know that lake. Huge fish. We used spinners off the rocks against the wind and drug our lures past the edge of the rock, where the lunkers hung looking for drift.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (1 of 22), Read 372 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:36 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2584.JPG, 2585.JPG, 2586.JPG

We had a great outing here yesterday: 2 Aleuts (Ann and Francine), 1 Kodiak (Jim), and 1 Yukon (Michael), plus a cute little plastic toy that out-paddled me as if I were stuck on a mudbar (Brian).

Lots of wildlife, lots of amazing and inventive boat mods, lovely people (Michael even brought homemade chocolate cookies -- it doesn't get any lovelier than that!!).

You can launch either at the mouth of the slough (Moss Landing, where there are 2 outfitters and a launch fee) or 5 miles upslough at Kirby Park (porta-potties, a ramp and dock, and no fee). There's a thorough description of the route in "Adventure Kayaking: Trips from the Russian River to Monterey" by Michael Jeneid.

We picked Kirby Park at dead low tide and had a -- uh -- shall we say -- "invigorating" paddle down-slough against the incoming tide and ever-increasing headwind in the morning. Lunchtime cookies on a sloughside bank were a very well-deserved reward! We were lovin' life riding the tide and wind home, though, as the other folks who had launched at Moss Landing slogged slowly back against the elements.

I'll try to sprinkle pictures of the boat mods around the forum in logical places. Here are some slough and people pictures. I know Michael will be posting more!

AnnD

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (2 of 22), Read 289 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 01:09 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2587.JPG, 2588.JPG

A couple more photos...

AnnD

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (3 of 22), Read 195 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, May 27, 2002 01:36 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2589.JPG

I paddled the Slough again last week on the spur of the moment. Such a beautiful place. Wind and tide were working against each other on the way out, and created some amazing waves. I tried to avoid them by staying near the shore, but had to keep making exciting zig-zags from one shore to the other to avoid invading the personal space of the birds and sea otters basking on the banks. Fun!!!

I was underneath the Hwy 1 bridge at about dead low tide and saw one critter I hadn't seen on our weekend paddle. Its portrait -- or half of it -- is attached.

AnnD

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (4 of 22), Read 196 times
Date: Monday, May 27, 2002 07:52 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

My eyes !... My eyes!... can't make it out totally.. is it a Calif Gator, or a starfish.. looks like a gator snout, but looks like legs holding it to the piling are a bit too far foward.. so ?? Nice camo in any case.. gameful place that "slough"..
I live on these pics posted here. keep 'em coming. I've got some in for processing, and will post wednesday..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (5 of 22), Read 284 times
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 06:01 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

What a great place this is for clever ideas. Michael´s sailskirt: good; now for a better way to hold it up so you can adjust the course with a paddle half. Still prefer my wind resistant umbrella for now. We had 20 knots today; the sleigh ride home was worth every bit of the ´´invigorating`` paddle out.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (6 of 22), Read 294 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 07:51 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2590.JPG, 2591.JPG, 2592.JPG

The sail skirt is actually my new sun skirt patterned on my new spray skirt... it only covers the front half of the Yukon for those sunny days when you want to wear shorts but want to keep some sun off your legs... I will be creating a pole system to sail with...

And now for the pictures!
a mini-flotilla, a true downwind sailing rig and a happy smile
Michael S Fremont Ca.
A sweet Red Yukon "The Intrepid"
and "Angel" a heavenly Yellow Aleut

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (7 of 22), Read 298 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 07:55 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2593.JPG, 2594.JPG, 2595.JPG, 2596.JPG, 2597.JPG

and some wild life...
Michael S

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (8 of 22), Read 300 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 08:00 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2598.JPG, 2599.JPG, 2600.JPG


Michael S

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (9 of 22), Read 303 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 08:04 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2601.JPG, 2602.JPG

and a couple of upgrades that you might be interested in...

... and I sure wish that the icon for pictures was the default setting...

Michael S

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (10 of 22), Read 296 times
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 09:17 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 5/19/02 8:04:00 PM, Michael S wrote:

>and a couple of upgrades that you might be interested in...

The grommet attachment points are a very good idea.

Re: Ball and socket: I believe the pic shows one end of the longeron with an added (?) piece and the mating end enlarged (?) to receive it. Is that what you did ... and to increase rigidity?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (11 of 22), Read 182 times
Date: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:36 AM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Thank you for the great photos. Wish there was wildlife like that on my last outing.
Tiki Island II




Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (12 of 22), Read 285 times
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 09:20 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 5/19/02 7:51:00 PM, Michael S wrote:

>a mini-flotilla,

Great pictures, Michael. Especially loved the sea otter.

For the mini flotilla: How about a caption line to tell who is who?

Thanks!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (13 of 22), Read 291 times
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 09:43 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

The modifications are Jim's (jbscott's) of his longeron ends... (see Ann's pictures and comments in Greenland conference). They replace the original ends and allow a smoother, tighter fit when the boat is assembled...

And the mini-flotilla pic is left to right...

AnnD in SirLanceAleut, Jim's (jbscott) in his Tan Kodiak, Brian H in a red Perception Swifty (an equal opportunity flotilla), Michael S in Intrepid, a red Yukon and Francine in Angel just coming into picture... a passing photographer was nice enough to take the shot!

and it sure was a pleasure paddling together!
Michael S

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (14 of 22), Read 272 times
Date: Monday, May 20, 2002 06:50 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Nice pictures, sorry I didn't make it. Were you using a long lens to take the shots? Last time I was there the F&G folks made a big point of not getting closer than 50 yards or so of any critter...
mike v

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (15 of 22), Read 273 times
Date: Monday, May 20, 2002 07:00 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

No, I was using my Nikon 990 digital camera using it's highest resolution and I am zoomed in as much as I can, using digital zoom on some shots, and then cropping the pictures and reducing file size to post them and still get good results... the otter swam right past so he was closer to me than the other shots but he did not relate to me except for a quick glance... he was more interested in grooming him/her self.


Michael S

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (16 of 22), Read 271 times
Date: Monday, May 20, 2002 09:01 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Very much enjoyed all pics and suggestions..
I like them all.....!!
We don't have white pelicans, so that's surely a treat, and otters are always fun.. just makes ya feel good to see 'em.. ha..
thank ya thank ya.. i'm shut in lately with overtime (work, home and sleep, work, repeat) , really really enjoying the reports.. and yearning..!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (17 of 22), Read 245 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 06:12 AM
Author:JBScott
Email:james.b.scott@nasa.gov
Files:2603.JPG, 2604.JPG, 2605.JPG, 2606.JPG

The ends of the longerons became deformed during assembly. By removing about 5/16" from the length of each longeron and epoxying the Ball & Socket inserts in place. I repaired the deformed sections and improved the ease of assembly.

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (18 of 22), Read 240 times
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 07:06 AM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

Jim I forgot to ask Saturday, can the ball and sockets be bought somewhere or did you have to machine them yourself?

Thanks Michael

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (19 of 22), Read 237 times
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 08:03 AM
Author:JBScott
Email:james.b.scott@nasa.gov

The Ball & Sockets were turned from 6061 Aluminum bar stock. They have a 0.5" Radius and are a little longer than necessary for a new installation because I had to replace the deformed sections of tubing. I don't know of any place to buy them. Except your friendly local machine shop would be happy to make some for a nominal fee. (I am not your local machine shop. :) )well not yet...

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (20 of 22), Read 233 times
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 08:34 AM
Author:kwcahart
Email:kwcahart@earthlink.net

I would bet you can sell all of these that you can make, including the keel bracket fittings. Taking apart here would make it a lot easier to pack. Nice job Jim.

Ken and Charlotte.
RV'ing the USA.

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (21 of 22), Read 234 times
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 09:02 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

There was talk earlier here on figuring a way to get it all into a backpack..this kind of leans towards that end.. shorter over all and tighter packing. etc..
looks good.. you should be proud.. we are..(:>) curious also.. just a press fit for the ball / socket..?? some adhesive??
thanks.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Elkhorn Slough 5/18/02 (22 of 22), Read 153 times
Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 01:22 AM
Author:folmonty
Email:monty@pacbell.net

Pictures and handy work are great! Those are some trick upgrades. Packing the stern and keel are about the only hassle I have w/ these boats. Will have to visit the Elkhorn soon. Thanks for sharing.

Lake Powell

Subject: Lake Powell (1 of 13), Read 308 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 01:44 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2607.JPG, 2608.JPG, 2609.JPG, 2610.JPG

Thursday our mini float started with Dave and myself arriving about 6am at Lone Rock beach but no Ann so off we went stopping at the visitor center at the dam, the town of Page and checking out the campsites at Wahweap due to the sand being very soft. Ann arrived around 830am only to find out how soft the sand would be. After a tow out we headed for Wahweap picked out a spot and off we went to Stateline launch just down the road. Across the Wahweap bay to explore the arch called Wahweap window and around to some no name slot canyon. Being our first time out learning about the afternoon winds funneling down the canyon we were hit with 20mph winds attempting to cross the bay back to Stateline. Happy to say all make the crossing with no mishaps. The weather on the next day Friday called for more winds around 25mph, thunderstorms and rain. Dave left our company back to Vegas and so the front arrived black clouds everywhere. Our attempt prior to launch out of Antelope was a no go due to paving. Well we decided that the above weather pattern was about to hit this afternoon off to Wahweap to wait out this front.

Subject: Lake Powell (2 of 13), Read 235 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 02:09 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2611.JPG, 2612.JPG, 2613.JPG, 2614.JPG, 2615.JPG

Saturday afternoon we wanted to overnight somewhere and the winds were still blowing and off to Stateline launch to check out the the area toward Lone Rock. There we faced head winds, no option here. Out of Wahweap launch we decided to use the marina for safety and follow the shore toward the narrows and find a short route to cross following Antelope Island to Antelope Canyon. With this plan we went to pack our Aleuts with the winds dying down. Off we went to spent the night at Antelope Canyon. That evening under a full moon and starry night we paddled the slot canyon some 3.5 miles. At camp afterwards a warming fire and tea to end the evening. Come to find out the fronts stalled over Ca. giving us a calm Sunday for a leisure paddle toward Navajo canyon and a very nice trip back to Wahweap. Afterwards I headed for home remembering the lovely paddle,checking out houseboats and planning for the next trip to Powell with 92 canyons to explore, oh one less.
pete

Subject: Lake Powell (3 of 13), Read 236 times
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 06:58 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Sure are pretty pictures.. You and Ms. Ann are becoming the poster folks lately.. we need to catch up... and as usual.. I have time off.. "this" week.... always a day .. er... week.. late.
Wondering if the nights were extra cool with the wind.. (under 50??) My visits to the desert would have had me expect crisp nights.. but wind never seems to cross my mind... and I can only imagine the night paddle under the full moon and with the planets aligned.. I'll bet that was "tops"..... Lack of trees to camp under would have been a change too....
You Pictures will grace the office wall !! keep 'em coming.... I WILL Catch up eventually.... timing is everything..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Lake Powell (4 of 13), Read 227 times
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 08:47 AM
Author:kwcahart
Email:kwcahart@earthlink.net

Great Pictures, I bet you had a fine time!! One thing I would like to ask, If you post some nice pictures would you please tell us what kind of camera you used?? I'm trying to get a different camera and am always curious what others are using.

FOLBOT FEVER -- CATCH IT!!

Subject: Lake Powell (5 of 13), Read 218 times
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:52 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Thanks for the great photos. That is really some interesting rock formations. Where is Lake Powell? Don't see that kind of scenery up here, except in John Wayne movies.
tiki island ii

Subject: Lake Powell (6 of 13), Read 219 times
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 02:01 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

questions
tiki island: where is lake powell. Lake powell is a reservoir stretching from Lees Ferry south, arizona to the orange cliffs of utah north by the city of Moab south.
kwcahart: what kind of camera. kodak dc3400 2.0 pixel.
cliffy: wonder if the nights were extra cool. Our temps on those windy days were around mid 40's to the lower 70's. water temp i think was around 52 so after a long day of paddling my legs were on the cool side. saturday night was on the cool side. On sunday we hit 81 degrees. yes no trees to shelter us from the intense sun, as you see my beach shelter.
till i see everyone
take care
pete

Subject: Lake Powell (7 of 13), Read 232 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 02:20 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2616.JPG, 2617.JPG, 2618.JPG

On my last post left out these photos.
enjoy
pete

Subject: Lake Powell (8 of 13), Read 158 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:32 AM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2619.JPG, 2620.JPG, 2621.JPG, 2622.JPG, 2623.JPG

Sir Lance and I have finally wandered back into the land of internet connectivity. This was one neat trip!

I've been on reservoirs back east before, and have been aware in an intellectual way of the fact that there were drowned valleys below me. But on Lake Powell, where the banks are mountaintops, and where the Colorado below the dam rushes through a deep chasm toward the Grand Canyon, it really hit home.

I was absolutely enchanted at first -- you float in your kayak right up to the clifftops where only birds used to be able to reach. You paddle up to talus slopes. Boulders in the clear water beneath your boat match the shape of the huge scallops in the cliff above you where they once were part of the mountain. Landing spots are really submerged rock shelves. You float across the tops of ridges. It was quite a feeling ---- to be suspended so high up. I'm not finding the words for the feeling.

But... eventually I began to mourn the loss of grandeur of the deep-carved valley. The cliffs came to seem foreshortened, as if reflected in a warped mirror. And the things lost -- there are ancient Native American ruins and rock paintings still visible above the waters in some places, but so many more are covered by the "lake".

I don't know. I'm so glad I got to paddle there. The enchantment is real, and I'll surely go back. And yet...

Anyway. Here are a few more pictures.

Most are from the Wahweap area. But after Pete left, I drove up to the Halls Crossing marina farther north. Quite a spiffy campsite. But way too windy to paddle that day.

AnnD

Subject: Lake Powell (9 of 13), Read 152 times
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2002 06:48 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

As with the others, awesome photos...one gets personal perspective especially in PETEPADDLESUPTOATALUSSLOPE.JPG, wow...
mike v

Subject: Lake Powell (10 of 13), Read 157 times
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2002 08:25 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

terrrific again.... that clear water paddling is super... paddled over a shipwreck in the Keys once.. nearly turned over looking at it.. 30 or so feet down..
Seeing fish swim below ya. etc.. wow..
keep 'em coming ms. Ann.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Lake Powell (11 of 13), Read 184 times
Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:25 PM
Author:
Email:ja

Sportin Trunks Dude. I want some!! ??

Subject: Lake Powell (12 of 13), Read 179 times
Date: Monday, May 13, 2002 09:25 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

This new message just gave me another opportunity to look at the pictures.. Man that's a pretty place..
thanks again.
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Lake Powell (13 of 13), Read 162 times
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 06:42 PM
Author:rob.s
Email:folboteur@wi.rr.com

Adding to Cliffy's comment, that "Crossing the Bay" photo is one of the most spectacular, magically lit pictures I've ever seen. The lighting and the fact that you can see the wave texture so well makes this a really unique photo!

"The way I see it, ya either get busy livin', or get busy dyin'."
From "The Shawshank Redemption

Scappoose Bay, Oregon

Subject: Scappoose Bay, Oregon (1 of 4), Read 196 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:23 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2624.JPG, 2625.JPG, 2626.JPG, 2627.JPG, 2628.JPG

Scappose Bay was the location we settled on for the kayaking trip I donated to the fund raising auction at my kids' high school. We were unable to get away until after 1:00, but by then it had warmed up nicely with just a light cloud layer. We arrived at the Scappoose Bay Marina at about 2:30 and unloaded the boats at one of the two parking places set aside for this purpose. They even have a nice dedicated dock that is only for kayakers. It is nice and low to the water and very stable. We left the dock and marina area and headed south into the bay. This is an estuary formed by Scappoose Creek and a few other smaller creeks. The water is higher than normal for this time of year, so we were able to get to places that are normally not accessible. We slipped through some shallow areas, between trees and under a bridge built from an old railroad flat car. From there into another area where we meandered through the trees, scaring up a pair of Canada Geese and a great blue heron.
Our last obstacle was slipping under a low, narrow bridge. It was less than a paddle span wide and we had to go up a little current to sneak through but you could reach up to the underside of the bridge and propel yourself through. Once on the other side, the water opened into a little lake-like area which we crossed to the upper end where one of the creeks fed in. In the shallows there were a bunch of really big carp rolling and splashing about. They would roll right next to the boats and actually thump the boats. Pretty strange feeling. We couldn't get much further, so we turned around and headed back to the marina. A few more carp and herons along the way until we arrived back at the marina about 4:30. We had gone about 4 miles round trip and my paddling guests were a little tired so we called it a day, loaded up the boats and dropped into the store at Scappoose Bay Kayaking for a bit. Nice store, nice people, great place to paddle. On the way home we stopped at one of my favorite family restaurants for a piece of their famous pie. Great way to cap off a fine first paddle of the season.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Scappoose Bay, Oregon (2 of 4), Read 189 times
Date: Sunday, April 21, 2002 07:22 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Nice shots, John. And, nice to see the ol' relics in such good condition (the boats, I'm talking about) Love to see those old wood paddles. Sure wish I had kept my old TSK with all the accessories and lugged them back to Missouri from California. Would love to have the old paddles and motor crossbar back!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Scappoose Bay, Oregon (3 of 4), Read 193 times
Date: Sunday, April 21, 2002 08:32 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

The Bidders looked pleased with the trip.. lots of smiles.. a calm water route like this is a real ice breaker and an "I wanna come back" tool.....
Hope you'll give 'em a couple of these shots for keepsakes.. Great pics. and story..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Scappoose Bay, Oregon (4 of 4), Read 180 times
Date: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:28 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Nice shots, John. Down here, everything just leafed out -- your sloughs must he about a week behind.

Looks like they had loads of fun.

That high water makes lots of places more accessible.

BTW, this is carp mating season -- you probably would be on Ashcroft's S-list for observing. (grin) 'Course, you could always cover them carp up with some $8000 curtains!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

One for the Christmas Cards

Subject: One for the Christmas Cards (1 of 1), Read 161 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:56 PM
Author:Badexample
Email:jagrable@excite.com
Files:2629.JPG

Folboting on the Guadalupe river in Kerrville Texas.

Merry Christmas one and all......

Kingman Wash LM

Subject: Kingman Wash LM (1 of 4), Read 162 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2002 09:43 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2630.JPG, 2631.JPG, 2632.JPG, 2633.JPG, 2634.JPG

The day was sunny around 90 degrees with a water temperature up to 65 degrees. This time we went to Kingman Wash to launch and kayak to Hoover Dam in the Black Canyon. After we went back to the launch and headed to Painters Cove to look at the different rock formations, spires etc. At the launch there were several kayaks around. Great day and now the afternoons are hot. Getting some time in the water prior to Lake Powell and the slot canyons.
take care
pete

Subject: Kingman Wash LM (2 of 4), Read 158 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2002 09:49 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2635.JPG, 2636.JPG, 2637.JPG, 2638.JPG

Last of the Kingman wash adventure.

Subject: Kingman Wash LM (3 of 4), Read 154 times
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 06:10 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Really good pictures, Pete! Do you shoot 'em with a 35 and then scan 'em or are the digital? I just can't believe how much the water has dropped out there! Course, the way all those Casinos use water for "landscaping", it's no wonder. Many moons ago, they were even talking about flooding Fremont Street and the Glitter Gulch to turn it into a Venice of the West!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Kingman Wash LM (4 of 4), Read 154 times
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 08:12 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 4/14/02 6:10:00 AM, gobe wrote:
Do
you shoot 'em with a 35 and
then scan 'em or are the
digital? I just can't believe
how much the water has dropped
out there!

I'm been using a digital 2.0 Kodak DC3400 for my pictures on the forum. The water has dropped some 50 for more feet. Not bad for kayaking alot of exposed areas to explore and the power boats stay mostly around the main channel. With alot of folks moving to the SW, irrigation etc. the lake is way down and some ramps have been pulled out with some areas even closed to much silt and mud. In a couple of weeks we'll see how low Lake Powell is.
take care
pete

Sporty

Subject: Sporty (1 of 2), Read 143 times
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2002 12:53 PM
Author:antnvc
Email:antnvc@rit.edu

I am considering buying a used "Sporty" (circa 1987?), 14'10" in good conditions. Seller is asking $375. Any information on this model and on price would be appreciated.

Tony

Subject: Sporty (2 of 2), Read 150 times
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2002 02:03 PM
Author:mtm2525
Email:mmartin@uwsp.edu

Sounds like a fair price if it's in good condition. I purchased an and old TSK for a couple hundred and rebuilt most of it. If I were to sell it, I ask around $500.00

A lot of us on the board would like to add a sporty to our fleet if we could find a nice one at a fair price.

mtm2525
When the chips are down, the buffalo are empty.

Folsom Lake

Subject: Folsom Lake (1 of 16), Read 288 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 07:54 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net
Files:2639.JPG, 2640.JPG, 2641.JPG, 2642.JPG

Thought that you would like to see a few < br> pictures of Angel and Intrepid on Lake < br> Folsom. What great boats!

Michael
Sorry about the extra copy of intrep.jpg... newbee!

Subject: Folsom Lake (2 of 16), Read 234 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 08:05 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

I tried to change icon on intrep.jpg ( by
using back and forward buttons) and that
caused me to attach second copy... can I
delete the second copy or live with my
error... mea culpa...

Michael

Subject: Folsom Lake (3 of 16), Read 235 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 08:08 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 4/11/02 8:05:00 PM, Intrepid wrote:

>I tried to change icon on intrep.jpg ( by
>using back and forward buttons) and that
>caused me to attach second copy... can I
>delete the second copy or live with my error...

Sweat it not. That interface is brain-dead. Not your fault. Pictures look good.

BTW, where is Folsom Lake? Near the famous prison (said the Johnny Cash fan)?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Folsom Lake (4 of 16), Read 237 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 08:20 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

Yes, right next door. You can see the
prison from the dike near the
campground. The lake is about 20-30
miles from Sacramento... We originally
were heading further north to
Whiskeytown Lake but had vehicle
breakdown on Monday so maiden voyage
was postponed for a few days while we
did repairs and we decided to stay closer
to SF Bay Area... Still a great time with
new boats.

Michael

Subject: Folsom Lake (5 of 16), Read 238 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 09:29 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Good looking pics and Paddlers.. the both of ya...
that Yukon surely has the cockpit space 'eh..
and... I noticed.. and just poking at ya... you forgot to inflate the sponsons on the Aleut.. ha.. again.. Just poking fun..
Pretty lake.. I see smiles, seems like there's a lot of fun to be had... and it's certainly good to see the new model out there in the waves.. Keep those pics coming.. and I promise I'll poke less on each posting.. ha..
Sorry.. best to you both..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Folsom Lake (6 of 16), Read 239 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 09:45 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

good pickup Cliffy..

Both sponsons on Angel did not hold air
for more than a half hour on initial setup
at home. Must have been a bad batch.
Francine had to keep adding air every
once in a while... Picture must have been
taken in between breaths! Wanda sent a
new set of sponsons last week and as
soon as we sew stern sponson bag back
(stiches tore on removal of frame at
campsite) we will install new ones. It
seems that the side longerons were a
little rough and that is what caught on
thread. I went over boat this week at
home very carefully and she is smooth as
a baby...

Michael

and yes the new boat is a treat!

Subject: Folsom Lake (7 of 16), Read 243 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 09:52 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 4/11/02 9:45:00 PM, Intrepid wrote:

>Both sponsons on Angel did not hold air for more than a half hour on
>initial setup [snip] as soon as we sew stern sponson bag back
>(stiches tore on removal of frame at campsite) we will install new
>ones. It seems that the side longerons were a
>little rough and that is what caught on thread. I went over boat this
>week at home very carefully and she is smooth as a baby...

We know what you mean ... I deburred the frames and longerons on my boats also, to avoid those sorts of problems. A little emery paper and a fine file and 20 minutes. Well worth it.

Very odd both sponsons were kaput.

Boats looked good, and you were both smiling!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Folsom Lake (8 of 16), Read 243 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:01 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

I was surprised too... As soon as I get the
time I will test them and let you know
where leaks are...

and the smiles were visible all day...

Michael



Subject: Folsom Lake (9 of 16), Read 246 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 09:56 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Sorry.. you didn't miss it after all.. ha..
appologies.. :>)
Good looking out there though.... waiting on the Wifey's decision whether a Yukon will be here anniversary gift or if she'll settle for a card.. :>)///////////// owww.. Knew I should have typed that without here setting here.. ha..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Folsom Lake (10 of 16), Read 245 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:09 PM
Author:Michael S
Email:m.salvaggio@comcast.net

Would highly recommend one... I can fit
lunch cooler behind seat and Francine
can reach in without stretch... Love a
snack as we float along... I have enough
room to stretch legs out and move
around quite a bit.

btw when I receive a page how do I
respond?

Subject: Folsom Lake (11 of 16), Read 246 times
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:20 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

>btw when I receive a page how do I
>respond?

You just click on Page in the top menu bar, then click on the bell next to the name of the person who paged you and fill in the text box.


John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Folsom Lake (12 of 16), Read 225 times
Date: Friday, April 12, 2002 01:25 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

Great pictures. Great boats. Enough to give me Yukon envy. (I have the Aleut already.)

On the Edisto River at last year´s Flotilla, when Cliffy ´´poked`` at me for not blowing up my sponsons, I didn´t take it as a poke but as a favor. What was that about old guys and memory loss?

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: Folsom Lake (13 of 16), Read 224 times
Date: Friday, April 12, 2002 03:42 PM
Author:
Email:Ronc

They always say memory is the second thing to go. Ronc

Subject: Folsom Lake (14 of 16), Read 217 times
Date: Friday, April 12, 2002 08:46 PM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net

>They always say memory is the second thing >to go. Ronc

Yeah, and I can't remember what the first was. :-)

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: Folsom Lake (15 of 16), Read 207 times
Date: Saturday, April 13, 2002 09:50 AM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

The nice thing about senility is that you meet so many new and interesting people every day.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Folsom Lake (16 of 16), Read 188 times
Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 07:42 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Living proof that I poke at everybody..!!!
ha ha..
Now.. if I can just get "Ranger Bob" to stop poking me when Im napping on the resevior in my folbots.. .. dang his butt.... Maybe a tattoo with a target should be my next addition..?? A nap in a Folbot should be expected of an old f- - -.....

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Overton Beach LM

Subject: Overton Beach LM (1 of 8), Read 179 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, April 06, 2002 07:50 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2643.JPG, 2644.JPG, 2645.JPG, 2646.JPG, 2647.JPG

The winds have died down to a breeze the tempertures are up 80 degrees so off to the lake we went this Saturday. Overturn Beach the northern marina at Lake Meade to the Virgin River. Oh the goddess of the Lake blessing every virgin kayaker. This day every boat was out and about even a para sail behind a power boat. The noise, fumes and loud music echoing thru the canyons. Well we pushed off across the main channel thru the Narrows to the Virgin River. No noise here the lake is down some 50 feet alot of silt and mud. Buoys make NO WAKE shallow water at the entrance. We made it half way only to find about a foot or less below us. With the muddy and green water I couldn;t see bottom just lift my paddle full of mud. Also the algae is starting to turn the lake green like last year. Dave had fun playing with his new toy a Meridan GPS. If any would like to no my Aleut was pushing around 3.0 with an average 2.4 for speed as our GPS said. We left the Virgin heading to the main channel to Overton Beach marina when at the distant they appeared like bees, everywhere and this isn;t even summer.

Subject: Overton Beach LM (2 of 8), Read 157 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Saturday, April 06, 2002 07:57 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2648.JPG, 2649.JPG, 2650.JPG

Last pictures of desert kayaking.
Pete

Subject: Overton Beach LM (3 of 8), Read 157 times
Date: Sunday, April 07, 2002 07:00 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

Nice footage, and even if there are other boaters it looks like you have your space...I know you said before but, what is the other boat?
mike v

Subject: Overton Beach LM (4 of 8), Read 154 times
Date: Sunday, April 07, 2002 01:57 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

what is the other boat?
mike v

Nautiraid 16 will be at Lake Powell in April.
pete


Subject: Overton Beach LM (5 of 8), Read 140 times
Date: Sunday, April 07, 2002 02:35 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

All these good pictures surely dress up my wall behind my desk..
Please keep 'em coming... (:>) I'ts my window when I'm at the grindstone....
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Overton Beach LM (6 of 8), Read 130 times
Date: Sunday, April 07, 2002 09:28 PM
Author:tiki island II
Email:jbancroft@familynet.bc.ca

Some really great photos. Beautiful scenery.
Makes me want to get out on the water.

Subject: Overton Beach LM (7 of 8), Read 129 times
Date: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:29 AM
Author:creechness
Email:folbot1@aol.com


CCreech

How beautiful! I do enjoy the pictures that our customers send. I think one year, I will have to load up the Aleut and join some of you!

Carol Creech
Folbot, Inc.

Subject: Overton Beach LM (8 of 8), Read 125 times
Date: Monday, April 08, 2002 01:19 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Anytime...
I'll show you where "NOT" to park your car..
ha..

These flotilla's are going well,.. I'm seeing more offered by more folks more often..
aint' it great..

cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Flamingo B Double Headed Cormorants

Subject: Flamingo B Double Headed Cormorants (1 of 1), Read 168 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, March 09, 2002 08:47 AM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com
Files:2651.JPG

Cormorants as identified by Swamp Girl.
Also photos added for Anns' story under conference Trips and Contacts and story titled Sailing West Lake and photos posted several down. Swamp Girl does have a way of telling a story with the pen.
Bob K

No Topic

Subject: No Topic (1 of 15), Read 253 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 06:02 AM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

Sorry, it is a Blue Heron. Flamingo is location. Keep after me I'll get my act together.
Bob K

Subject: No Topic (2 of 15), Read 201 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 06:42 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/25/02 6:02:00 AM, bobk543@netzero.net wrote:

>Sorry, it is a Blue Heron. Flamingo is location. Keep
>after me I'll get my act together.

I'd say you are ... way ... together. I loved the photo.

When I was in FL a year ago (Ft. Myers), it amazed me how tame the big birds were: pelicans and GBH's let us paddle right up to them, almost.

GBH's out here are very shy, and will fly off as soon as you get within 100 feet, sometimes 200 feet. We have thousands of them. However, the ones in FL seem to be lighter in hue -- not so blue.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: No Topic (3 of 15), Read 218 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 07:32 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net
Files:2652.JPG

How's this for friendly?

Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: No Topic (4 of 15), Read 222 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 08:07 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Friendly sure.. but that's the smallest Great Blue Heron I've ever seen... (:>)...

cliffy
1 Aleut, 1 Kodiak, 1 GII and a helpful website below..
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: No Topic (5 of 15), Read 244 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 08:53 AM
Author:kayakfisher
Email:kyakfisher@yahoo.com

And the tallest water I have seen! Kayak downhill from there?! I am species ignorant for western/some northern birds, what type is that?

Thanks,
Scott

Subject: No Topic (6 of 15), Read 214 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 09:58 AM
Author:folbot
Email:folboting@comcast.net
Files:2653.JPG, 2654.JPG, 2655.JPG, 2656.JPG, 2657.JPG

Here are some pictures of the Willamette River in downtown Portland. We have a new walkway on the east bank of the river with a dock that is kayak accessible. Hope to put the sporty on the cart and wheel it down and launch from here soon. Note the Great Blue Heron right across from the floating walkway.

John Haide
Folbot Board Manager
Hillsboro, OR
1983 Super and 1985 Sporty

Subject: No Topic (7 of 15), Read 217 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:16 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Pretty place.. seems when ever I passed through the area it was raining or foggy, or just dark... Military never left me time to ever stop and look around.... leave.. go.. be there.. okay to look out of the window on the way and stop for gas..!!

My luck is usually bad on catching a place with good weather when passing through....(:>)..
Now.. Airlines.. I'm just never off... come on lotto..!!
Saw Great Blue Herons in Florida that stood over 4 1/2 feet tall.. ominous eyes.. big ole wing spans...confident around humans.. with good reason..

cliffy
1 Aleut, 1 Kodiak, 1 GII and a helpful website below..
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: No Topic (8 of 15), Read 203 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 04:51 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/25/02 11:16:00 AM, cliffy wrote:

>Pretty place.. seems when ever I passed through the area it
>was raining or foggy, or just dark...

Absolutely right, Cliffy! It is always cold, rainy, and wet in Oregon -- don't dare come paddle here -- your joints might rust.

I have no idea where those pictures John posted were taken. I think it must have been Denver ... or maybe Sausalito!

(LOL)

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: No Topic (9 of 15), Read 211 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 05:24 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I think it's this little cloud that's always over my head... (:>)...
Heck I was stationed in Hawaii..(Hickam) and it rained the first three days.. quit going to NASCAR races years ago cause they all got rained out when I went..
It's just me... Zero Luck..
cliffy
1 Aleut, 1 Kodiak, 1 GII and a helpful website below..
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: No Topic (10 of 15), Read 215 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 06:34 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Nichts whinen'!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: No Topic (11 of 15), Read 220 times
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 06:24 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

"I am species ignorant for western/some
northern birds, what type is that?"


'Looks like a Chickadee to me. I've had
them land on my hand like that.....same
markings but smaller fuselage.
Dick Chandler,
Alturas, Ca

Subject: No Topic (12 of 15), Read 192 times
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 06:40 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

The bird is a Grey Jay...mostly in boreal forests. But can be found from about mid Oregon north.
mike v

Subject: No Topic (13 of 15), Read 176 times
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 02:25 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

The Gray Jay is also called a Camp Robber Jay. There are a lot of them here in the Colorado Rockies. They'll take food from your hand sometimes without your permission.

Dickc

Subject: No Topic (14 of 15), Read 180 times
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 04:36 AM
Author:Haith
Email:rod.taylor@roadrunner.nf.net

They are known locally as Grey Jays, Chickadees, and move-your-hand-to-your-mouth-fast birds.
The secret to keeping it there while I manoevered for the pic was to grip the bait. Normally they just swoop, steal, and go.
Haith
Newfoundland, Canada

Subject: No Topic (15 of 15), Read 164 times
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:02 PM
Author:bplatt
Email:brad_platt510@yahoo.com

They also take your sandwich out of the golf cart...only when you are on the green facing a birdie put!

brad
Proud owner of an old Super!

Flamingo location-Blue Heron

Subject: Flamingo location-Blue Heron (1 of 6), Read 194 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 05:11 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com
Files:2658.JPG

Maybe I have this posting photos mastered. The alligator in other photo is a mama and later I will post a photo of the kids.
Bob K


Bob K

Subject: Flamingo Bird without spaces so all may view (2 of 6), Read 151 times
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 07:44 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

Bob, is that a flamingo or a great blue heron?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Flamingo Bird without spaces so all may view (3 of 6), Read 151 times
Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:41 AM
Author:thunter
Email:bdhunter@erols.com

It's a great blue heron IN the Flamingo area, right?

(in the 'glades)

;-)

Ted (Olboter from S.E. PA USA)
BDHunter@erols.com

Subject: Flamingo Bird without spaces so all may view (4 of 6), Read 163 times
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 06:29 AM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

Great bird shot Bob! Zoom lens, right?

Dick Chandler
Alturas, Ca

Subject: Flamingo Bird without spaces so all may view (5 of 6), Read 132 times
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 06:10 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

On 2/26/02 6:29:00 AM, geezerfloat wrote:
>Great bird shot Bob! Zoom
>lens, right?
>
>Dick Chandler
>Alturas, Ca

Correct, or what was left of a zoom lens after close ups of alligators.

Bob K

Subject: Flamingo location-Blue Heron (6 of 6), Read 126 times
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 04:36 PM
Author:bagboater
Email:gpewitt@execpc.com

Now that is a beautiful picture.


Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
6120 W. Calumet Rd. Apt 204
Milwaukee, WI 53223
Sturgeon's Law "90% of everything is crap"

FLAMINGO ALIGATOR

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (1 of 9), Read 201 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 03:12 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com
Files:2659.JPG


Bob K

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (2 of 9), Read 181 times
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 03:33 PM
Author:Dickc
Email:candelmo@warwick.net

You should have put your hand on his head so we would have a reference to see what size he was....I hope you were using a telephoto lens.

Dickc

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (3 of 9), Read 182 times
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 04:48 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

Telephoto lenses are for sissy's. Real men use wide angles.
Bob K

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (4 of 9), Read 179 times
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 05:59 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

O.K I'll play the straight man, "Which lens did you use?!"
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (5 of 9), Read 180 times
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:18 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

I used a 180mm with film. My method of shooting, run fast and shoot over shoulder.
Bob K

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (6 of 9), Read 173 times
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 01:37 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Good setting ... excellant technique!
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (7 of 9), Read 162 times
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 04:45 PM
Author:Red October
Email:jvasdias@ec.rr.com

On 2/23/02 4:48:00 PM, bobk543@netzero.net wrote:
>Telephoto lenses are for sissy's. Real men use wide angles.
>Bob K

Sounds as though real men wish to provide a satisfying dinner to our animal friends.

-- Happy Folboting,
Joost in coastal NC

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (8 of 9), Read 166 times
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 05:08 PM
Author:BOBK
Email:kupri@gbronline.com

On 2/24/02 4:45:00 PM, Red October wrote:
>On 2/23/02 4:48:00 PM,
>bobk543@netzero.net wrote:
>>Telephoto lenses are for sissy's. Real men use wide angles.
>>Bob K
>
>Sounds as though real men wish to
>provide a satisfying dinner to our
>animal friends.
>
> -- Happy Folboting,
>Joost in coastal NC

What I do is keep an assitant with me that moves much slower than I, works every time.

Bob K

Subject: FLAMINGO ALIGATOR (9 of 9), Read 166 times
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 05:29 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

That sounds like the old story about the two hunters that ran into the grizzly bear... one of the hunters drops his back pack, starts taking off his hunting boots and putting on a set of tennies. His buddy says, "Don't know why you're wasting your time. You can't outrun a grizzly!" His partner answers, "Don't have to outrun him. Just have to outrun you!"
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Bighorn Island, Lake Meade

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (1 of 12), Read 276 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 06:25 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2660.JPG, 2661.JPG, 2662.JPG, 2663.JPG, 2664.JPG

Well the weather here in the desert is starting to warm up around 75 degrees so my other folding buds decided to kayak out of Echo Bay going south into coves. There are four islands we chose Bighorn Island. No winds to speak of just one pleasant day. Notice the power boats starting to move jet skis well the water is still 55 degrees. Found a bighorn sheep down by the cove drinking water and by the time I tried a picture he had moved to higher ground maybe next time. So I leave you with these pictures paddling in the desert.
enjoy
pete

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (2 of 12), Read 196 times
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 07:59 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Lucky guy.. I have no folding bud close by.. no time off either..
Thanks for the pics.. I yearn on..
cliffy
1 Aleut, 1 Kodiak, 1 GII and a helpful website below..
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (3 of 12), Read 192 times
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 08:39 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

Boy! The water's really down around there! Is that just a recent thing? I used to live out there and did a lot of SCUBA diving in Lake Meade.
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (4 of 12), Read 197 times
Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 08:50 PM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 2/22/02 8:39:00 PM, gobe wrote:
The water's really down
around there! Is that just a
recent thing?
Yep called a dry spell and everyone is using up Lake Meade with no large spring runoff. Pearce Ferry was closed to the Grand Canyon National Park. This was 30 miles to the first/last rapid one could kayak. Now swift currents by the Colorado River and mud flats even a kayak can;t get thru. What;s lost to power boaters is a gain for us kayakers alot of open coves are exposed and shallow water. They mostly stay in the main channel. We'll see what spring has to offer us sure would like to visit the canyon. One local said this is about normal.
pete

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (5 of 12), Read 192 times
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 06:08 AM
Author:vennard
Email:mbv03@cvip.fresno.com

In the foto "slot canyon" the person in the red boat is using a type of "greenland" paddle...might we get some particulars? Kind, size, price, how he likes it??? Just for future reference.
mike v

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (6 of 12), Read 229 times
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:54 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com

On 2/23/02 6:08:00 AM, vennard wrote:
>In the foto "slot canyon" the
>person in the red boat is
>using a type of "greenland"
>paddle...might we get some
>particulars? Kind, size,
>price, how he likes it??? Just
>for future reference.
>mike v

The person is Dave who paddles with me alot and has a Nautiraid using a Nimbus Greenland take apart paddle also a Bending Branch for power. He ordered this to change his stoke a bit for his wife, she has a Feathercraft and me using the Mitchell Coastal greenland paddle. This trip I didn't try but it felt light at the dock I think he said his was about 235. He;s out of town will get more.
pete

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (7 of 12), Read 212 times
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:10 PM
Author:gobe
Email:dpgobe@peoplepc.com

If you're really interested in Greenland paddles, a good place to start is on the following link, but you may get hooked on some traditional "stuff". The folks on the Greenland Kayak Club Forum are just like this one ...GREAT! They are just skin-on-frame traditional kayak enthusiasts (aren't Folbots SOF's?) and are just going back more towards "our" roots.
http://www.qajaqusa.org
gobe
St. Charles, MO
GII, Super TSK, Chesapeake LT18

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (8 of 12), Read 191 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:02 AM
Author:arczeneb
Email:arczeneb@hotmail.com
Files:2665.JPG, 2666.JPG

Here;s two more photos of our outing at Lake Meade.
enjoy
pete

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (9 of 12), Read 196 times
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:06 AM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/27/02 10:02:00 AM, arczeneb wrote:

>Here;s two more photos of our outing at Lake Meade.

Very cool photo of the bighorn -- do they come down to the water often?

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (10 of 12), Read 86 times
Date: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:47 AM
Author:markmc
Email:markmcwhorter@hotmail.com

Toto, we're not in Iowa anymore!

Living in Southern Iowa I sure do miss seeing a lot of bare, living rock. Your pictures make me want to go there. I love paddling in deep places where the sky is hard to see.

Take care,
MarkMc

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (11 of 12), Read 77 times
Date: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:10 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

On 6/5/02 11:47:00 AM, markmc wrote:
>I
>love paddling in deep places
>where the sky is hard to see.
That is so beautifully said, Markmc, and captures the feeling wonderfully. Pete and I paddled a Lake Powell canyon late one moonlit night. Looking straight up, we saw the Big Dipper, lengthwise, and nothing else. Our sky was exactly one Big Dipper wide. It is a magical feeling to be in those places.

AnnD

Subject: Bighorn Island, Lake Meade (12 of 12), Read 66 times
Date: Saturday, June 08, 2002 08:01 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

measuring the sky when I fooled with Astronomy, we use the Astromical unit {AU} for distances.. but I like the new one Ann describes.. Big dipper wide....
A BDW.. I love this board.. ha ha..
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Lake Britton, Ca

Subject: Lake Britton, Ca (1 of 5), Read 177 times, 5 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:22 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net
Files:2667.JPG, 2668.JPG, 2669.JPG, 2670.JPG, 2671.JPG

Here’s some pics of Lake Britton, near
Burney, in Northern California. Back in the
summer of 2000 I stopped on a bridge
over the main inlet to the lake and that did
it! A few weeks later I launched my new
Aleut right there and paddled into the lake
where I checked out many peaceful
coves. Last summer I went back twice to
visit
“my own” little beach where wild
blackberries were abundant....beautiful
experience.
Dick Chandler
Alturas, Ca

Subject: Lake Britton, Ca (2 of 5), Read 179 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:39 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net
Files:2672.JPG, 2673.JPG, 2674.JPG

Just 3 more pics of "my own" beach...I call
it Blackberry Beach.....enjoy!
Dick Chandler
Alturas, Ca

Subject: Lake Britton, Ca (3 of 5), Read 174 times
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 01:30 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/19/02 12:39:00 PM, geezerfloat wrote:

>Just 3 more pics of "my own" beach...I call
>it Blackberry Beach.....enjoy!

Very nice photos. Time of year was early fall? Is this an impoundment, hence of variable lake levels?

Looks like a great spot -- you should see if folks want to Flotilla there, what with the CG and all.

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Lake Britton, Ca (4 of 5), Read 178 times
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 02:08 PM
Author:geezerfloat
Email:geezerville@citlink.net

These pics were taken in the early fall.
The lake and surrounding land is owned
by PG&E and they use water during the
week for hydro-electric power and let it
return to normal level on the weekend.
There's 3 nice campgrounds there.
Cheers......DC

Subject: Lake Britton, Ca (5 of 5), Read 176 times
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 04:51 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Man my wall is getting full.. Some great shots to hang up.. I'm beginning to have a regular stream of lookers to see what New pics I've hung , used to change 'em on Sunday night, but lately -whew!!!-...
a beautiful place.. thanks much for the pics..!!!!!!!
cliffy
1 Aleut, 1 Kodiak, 1 GII and a helpful website below..
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (1 of 21), Read 321 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 07:55 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2675.JPG, 2676.JPG, 2677.JPG, 2678.JPG

I'm finally back from the swamps. It was hard to tear myself away. What fun!!!

Pete covered the time he was with us really nicely, and I know Photographer Bob will have some nifty shots. Here are just a couple from the time we spent together:



AnnD

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (2 of 21), Read 219 times
Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 08:05 PM
Author:davekru
Email:kdruger@pacifier.com

On 2/18/02 7:55:00 PM, AnnD wrote:

> Here are just a couple from the time we spent together:

Whoaa! That watery world shot is magazine-quality. Nice job, AnnD!

--
Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR
G II, Kodiak

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (3 of 21), Read 223 times, 3 File Attachments
Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 08:42 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2679.JPG, 2680.JPG, 2681.JPG

After Bob left, I stayed on for another week. There's so much to see and do. Everywhere you look, it's beautiful. And everywhere you go, there's an adventure.

One day I paddled out into Florida Bay at low tide, planning to get to the Snake Bight flats in time to see the feeding birds, and watch the tide come in. On the way, I was escorted by 2 frolicking dolphins. When I got to the flats and was in about a foot of water, I spooked what I think was a nurse shark, which snaked its way past me looking like 3 fish playing follow-the-leader. There were 2 bald eagles in the trees next to the shore. Everywhere I paddled in the murky shallows, I flushed unseen sea creatures which scooted away with great swishings and splashings. One was substantial enough to dump its wake into Sir Lance's cockpit as it zoomed off -- yikes! -- it's mighty nice to be in a boat as stable as an Aleut at moments like that!

There is a narrow marked channel leading to Snake Bight, but I didn't want to hog it, so I paddled demurely along beside it. Dumb. 'Cause, ya see, when fishing boats speed by in the channel, and their wakes hit the shallows... The first time it happened I was lazing along watching some herons, when I suddenly heard the unmistakable sound of a wave curling and breaking above me. I started paddling, but began to slide down the face of the wave sideways. Famous last words: I wonder if this is what they call a -- BROACH!!! But Sir Lance seemed to rock only as far as his downside sponson and bob right back up. Aleuts sure are nice.

On the way back to the marina, I took a short cut. It was getting late, you know, wanted to get back before dark. Note to self -- next time the sun is setting, take the marked channel, not the shortcut across the flats.... I wound up poling my way half a mile back to the channel. My arms got tired, so I thought I'd get out and walk. Stuck one foot over the side, sank into mud up to my knee, and decided my arms weren't so tired after all. I finally made it back, but after dark. It gave me a chance to try out my nifty new running lights. Tourists at the marina were amused by the kayaker with the light strapped to her hat. They actually pointed and giggled. Hmmph.


AnnD

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (4 of 21), Read 228 times, 2 File Attachments
Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 08:51 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2682.JPG, 2683.JPG

I loved the passages and tunnels and caves made out of mangroves. These pictures were taken in a channel that connects Coot Bay Pond with Coot Bay.

AnnD

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (5 of 21), Read 248 times, 4 File Attachments
Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 09:02 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net
Files:2684.JPG, 2685.JPG, 2686.JPG, 2687.JPG

My final night I spent on the Hell's Bay chickee. It's a double like the one on Pearl Bay. It has a ladder, which made it really easy to load and unload, especially with an Aleut, which is stable enough to stand up in.

Here's a picture of the chickee, plus a few others. Lard Can campsite is a ground site, which was beautiful when we visited it on a breezy, sunny day. When I stopped there on my last day, after a very rainy night, it was so soggy that every step squished. Which must be why the little fellow in the picture decided to head for higher ground. I'll be staying on chickees....

AnnD

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (6 of 21), Read 225 times
Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 06:40 AM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

I am aching badly.. wanted to be there...!!
Advice to Bob. . do not feed the aligators your arm.. ..!!
Love all your photos Ms. Ann.. and they will replace Pete's on my wall for a while. Then back to Daves.. (:>)...
(One of Daves shots will soon be famous by the way.. !!) I'm betting he'd have loved the area too. quite different than anyplace I've ever been.. so quiet you ears hurt.. and with the shadows from starlight it's just amazing.. Carry no expectations there, and you'll bring back many memories as we can see by Ms. Ann's photos.. (and Pete's)Now we need to work on the Chickee accomodations.. no restaurant close by.. dang.. ha. and it's a long lonely road from Florida City to Flamingo.. gets your "mind right" before arriving.. I think it's 44 miles from civilization.
cliffy
1 Aleut, 1 Kodiak, 1 GII and a helpful website below..
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (7 of 21), Read 152 times
Date: Sunday, March 24, 2002 04:38 PM
Author:swaller3
Email:swaller3@aol.com

Hello Everyone;
Here are some pics from the Everglades. I am glad Ann talked me into spending the weekend there. The memories are lasting and the people were marvelous We got quite a chuckle with Bob's pecan pie raid. We have many stories about the four legged, masked, cooler raiders that inhabit all Florida campgrounds.

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (8 of 21), Read 159 times, 1 File Attachment
Date: Sunday, March 24, 2002 04:48 PM
Author:swaller3
Email:swaller3@aol.com
Files:2688.JPG

Pics

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (9 of 21), Read 157 times
Date: Sunday, March 24, 2002 05:00 PM
Author:swaller3
Email:swaller3@aol.com

Ok, One at a time Pic
Stu Waller

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (10 of 21), Read 153 times
Date: Sunday, March 24, 2002 06:13 PM
Author:cliffy
Email:branhc@bellsouth.net

Keep trying.. we're patient.. and love the pics...!!!
cliffy
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/bluffs/3655

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (11 of 21), Read 137 times
Date: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:30 PM
Author:AnnD
Email:arougle@earthlink.net

Really glad you guys came, Stu -- your family doubled our attendance in one fell swoop! Ah, yes, great memories. Chatting with Betty over bean dip ... sharing bug-induced grimaces with fellow not-a-friend-of-spiders (and budding chef) Kevin ... taking a tour of the starry skies with our resident starguide Pete ... Bob's jokes ... watching you and Kevin power-paddle into the distance on West Lake -- those G2s can move! Um, yeah, and the raccoons. I lost a full bag of chocolate chips and an enormous Hershey bar. Gotta admit, those critters do have good taste.
AnnD

Subject: Flamingo 02 - a few more flicks (12 of 21), Read 143 times
Date: Monday, March 25, 2002 06:19 AM